Noob616

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  1. If Karlsson has the slightest inclination of signing with the Habs you back up the money truck and figure everything else out later. End of.
  2. I think if you get a 2nd pair guy for him you pull the trigger. I just don't think this team can afford to waste another year of Weber and Price's 30s waiting for a 24 year old in his 6th pro season to finally figure it out next year. It sucks given the price paid for him but I think Drouin's a guy to move on from. It all depends on the value available on the trade market which we can't know but I'm highly skeptical that something like a 5th overall pick is plausible. Selling low isn't ideal but at some point if this team is trying to compete then I think you've got to move on. He did have a good first half but at the end of the day he scores at the same rate as Byron and Lehkonen over a full season and both those guys had cold streaks too. The problem for Drouin is that he's solely an offensive player so when he's in a slump it's really difficult to keep giving him minutes that could otherwise go to Byron and Lehkonen who even if they aren't scroing are capable two way players. As for Domi I'm not criticizing him for his defensive play, he's just average to mediocre defensively which is totally fine given his role on the team. Danault and Kotkaniemi are both excellent defensive centers and Domi's defense is still adequate. My point was just that there's a big difference between being OK to mediocre defensively like Domi is IMO and being downright awful. I agree that 1st to 4th line system is outdated, especially in terms of the "two scoring lines, one checking line, one energy line" thing. The Habs first line is also its checking line with Danault and Gallagher taking the hardest matchups. The reason I bring it up is just that there's only so much ice time to go around and with the roster as constructed it's hard to find a place where Drouin fits since Byron and Lehkonen are arguably more effective players in aggregate with how this team plays and how the roster is deployed.
  3. In terms of the armchair GM-ing premise of the thread, what do we think we would do/should be done with Drouin at this point? It's just really hard to see a place he fits in the lineup as constructed. Hopefully he has a great start and makes this look like a dumb hot take but I'm not holding my breath. The Tatar - Danualt - Gallagher top line is far too effective to break up and putting Drouin on that line would severely hamper it defensively (and Tatar is a more productive 5v5 scorer anyway). Domi is already on the mediocre side defensively so I'm not sure that putting Drouin on his line is a great idea either. The third line is used as a regular line since Domi's gets easier matchups and Lehkonen is more effective than Drouin as a two way player with Kotkaniemi and Armia, and then you're into the fourth line which isn't where you want a 5.5M guy who's ostensibly a scoring threat. All things considered the best fit is probably on the 2nd line with Domi and Shaw but I still don't know if that's great. I'm skeptical that in aggregate you're better off with Drouin there than Byron over 82 games. The thing about Drouin is he actually doesn't score on a per minute basis anywhere near what you'd expect by the raw numbers, on a per minute basis his offensive production is almost exactly the same as Lehkonen or Byron. Plain and simply that's why he ended the season on the 4th line, if Lehkonen and Byron are scoring at the same rate as Drouin, why would you use the worst defensive forward on the team instead of Lehkonen/Byron who are capable defensively? Domi kinda shows the main issue, when you give a guy cupcake matchups and prime top 6 + PP1 minutes you expect them to score in bunches and drive offence like Domi did this season. But when Drouin gets that same deployment he puts up 50 ish points. In a vacuum 50 points is fine but when a guy needs all the PP1 time and tons of top 6 minutes with cupcake matchups to put up 50 points while being one of the worst defensive forwards in the league it's hard to take that overall package. That's the other part of it, you can get away with giving Domi tons of minutes to produce offence because he's simply mediocre defensively rather than actively bad defensively like Drouin. I dunno it's just hard to see a spot. Best option is probably to try and boost his value on Domi's line and pray for a PP1 resurgence to boost the counting stats and trade him since I'm sure his trade value is minimal right now.
  4. Yes? Subban has played against the other teams best lines literally his entire career and has been used as the shutdown guy in Nashville the entire time he's been there, even with Emelin last season. He had a down year but there's a big difference between "29 year old with some injuries who was elite the season before" and "33 year old coming off consecutive knee and foot surgeries who was never fast and was last elite 5 years ago".
  5. One thing I'll say is people need to stop acting like he's actually going to play out the contract, it's completely juvenile. Functionally speaking Weber has 4 more years at 7.8M, if you believe he's going to play for a million bucks at 38 and won't suddenly come down with some back condition and go on LTIR I have a bridge to sell you.
  6. Drouin actually is what every dumb guy thinks the skill player on their favourite team is. What dumb Leafs fans say about Nylander etc etc is actually true about Drouin in terms of the scoring not making up for what you give up. He's a middle six winger at even strength and a good power play guy. He provides negative value when he isn't scoring because his defensive impact is negative and his possession impact is zilch. It isn't his fault, he had a significant body of work as a pro that suggested this was his value at the time of the trade and I don't think it's fair to dogpile on the player because management had dreams he would develop into a Marner/Gaudreau and traded a blue chip prospect for him. The biggest concern with Drouin is whether or not the team is realistic in what he provides. If they accept that he's a PP guy and a middle six winger at ES that needs to be heavily sheltered that's fine and at 5.5M that's not really a problem for the Habs to afford. It sucks in the context of the trade but that's a sunk cost and at face value Drouin at 5.5M is fine for a team that generally lacks flair and has the two way centers to insulate his defensive shortcomings. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the PP since he's been a successful PP weapon in Tampa and Montreal. The problem is if the Habs keep holding on to this hope that he's going to live up to his draft hype and become a Gaudreau/Marner level star winger and if they fail to add forward talent to the roster in the hopes Drouin will develop into a star.
  7. This team. Character.

    1. habs_93

      habs_93

      We're grinders!

    2. habs_93

      habs_93

      You know what this team needs? Patrick Bordeleau!

  8. Don needs to go. It's antics like his that make me angry that the CBC gets public funding. The fact that Don probably makes 6 figures or more sickens me.
  9. That PK tonight was dreadful. I agree with Weep, the fact that we have Hal Gill on our team and Roman Hamrlik is a Washington Capital is ridiculous. So what if he wanted a two year term, Hamrlik would be better in the second year of a contract than Gill this year. I'm sure Gill is a cool guy and all, but he's just not performing and it's painful to watch.
  10. I'm really missing what he brought to the team. Imagine if our top pairing was Hamrlik-Subban instead of Gill-Subban. Gill is painful to watch.
  11. Looked OK tonight. I'd imagine he gets sent down when White gets back from injury.
  12. Just our luck. I'm glad to hear it wasn't too awful, these injuries are always scary. I guess I just mean in our team's situation. Cammalleri is a good centre too, but on our team, for the style we play Plekanec is a better centre. Cammalleri isn't even close to Plekanec as a two way player, Plekanec is arguably the best defensive forward on the team.
  13. ...Why? Plekanec is a better centre and Cammalleri's a better winger.
  14. All these ridiculous shenanigans we're dealing with now could have been avoided if we had signed Hamrlik, the actual top 4, dependable, two way defenseman instead of Gill, a glorified PK specialist with "leadership".
  15. I'm impressed so far, however as FirstStar said, we'll see what happens when a star player takes a run at somebody.