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MIASUN

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  1. We may see the game differently. I see: Top offensive line: PAC DD Cole ~ 20 minutes Matchup: others teams checking line/Bergeron/Kesler types Best overall line: Eller Pleks Gionta ~20 minutes Matchup: Other teams best line Giroux/Crosby/etc Shift disturber line/checking: Prust White Moen ~ 10 mins Matchup: 4th line/secondary scorers Secondary/bonus scoring: Armstrong Gomez Leblanc ~ 10 mins. Matchup: 4th line/3rd lines. They way I see it anything Gomez produces on his line is supplemental and valuable because it might be those points that break a tie game or tie one when he's on the ice vs depth players but he has less chance to hurt you with offensive turnovers against Asham instead of Malkin. IMO, if you lineup let's say Eller Pleks Leblanc you have a domino effect of problems. DD can't lineup against the Giroux/Crosby types just yet. Gionta, a proven commodity, gets relegated to less minutes due to Gomez needing protection as well. You're sending Pleks out there with 2 developing players to take on the leagues best while asking him to shutdown and produce at the same time. It simply doesn't add up to success.
  2. If placing the Gomez relaunch project ahead of Plekanec is your thing then we have no chance of agreeing. Gionta and Bourque with Gomez is your example, then who plays with our best player? It simply makes no sense, I won't use any big words this time. Gomez is not good he's average at best so taking time away from good players to help average players is not a good plan. Simple enough for ya?
  3. Gomez at 3rd line center so that Eller can slide into 2nd line LW is something I have been pushing since June. I have no qualms with that. I do, however, take huge issue with placing faith in Gomez as a top 6 player. Also, he Is turning 33 this year and would be starting his 14th pro season in a row as an undersized player so predicting that his decline is permanent is not only logical but the most plausible explanation. Losing half a stride when your game has been based on speed your whole life makes the difference between one year goal droughts and 7.5 million dollar a year contracts. Gomez can still skate better than average BUT can he still skate like HE used to? It's a very thin line between success and failure in pro sports and I'm sorry but the "I liked his effort" section is just trying too hard to give a nice guy a break. At no point in time should Scott Gomez be placed ahead of Plekanec, DD or Eller on the offensive depth chart, he quite simply isn't capable of producing at their level any longer. Even if for arguments sake Gomer gets you 40pts at the expense of quality ice time/linemates for Eller you are severely limiting long term success for the team. Gomez as a veteran depth player with a shot to earn his ice time is fine by me but pencilling him in to an offensive position due to his reputation would be a grotesque miscalculation.
  4. GP 118 G 9 A 40 Pts 49 -24. That's the last 2 seasons in the top 6. There's no hatred towards Gomez just a realistic understanding that his best days are behind him and he's not a "clutch" player any longer. Putting him in a key position limits today and tomorrow, it's pointless-pardon the pun.
  5. Well, I wish I would have made friends with Marc Bergevin at some point in the last 20 years because I'm pretty sure I'd be working in the Habs front office by now.
  6. Firstly, bourque will miss the start of the year. Secondly, Pleks and Gionta had a good stretch together with Moen last year. Thirdly, Gomez is barely an NHL player let alone top 6, he's only in there until Bourque gets back and Eller resumes 3rd line center duties,someone else claims it or miraculously he earns it. On defence, bigted brings some interesting pairings that I don't disagree with as an eventuality but I dont see us coming out of camp with that.
  7. IF there is an opening day next month (unlikely)... Pac DD Cole Eller Pleks Gionta Moen Gomez Leblanc Priust White Armstrong Gorges Subban Markov Emelin Kaberle Bouillon Price
  8. The way I see it between Eller and Leblanc we need 1 top 9 winger and 1 top 9 center. Whom I in which slot isn't as important as maximizing our chance at this: 1 consistent 50+ point winger per year 1 consistent 2 way center I feel Lars top end offensive skill offers a better potential to fill a higher slot in the top 9(6) than Leblanc moving forward. I believe his skillset, size, possession and finish gives us a better chance at a legit 20-30-50+ player for many years. I also believe Leblanc being right handed, not small, responsible defensively and a cerebral player bodes well as a potential 3rd lie center/fill-in. To me, it doesn't matter who fits where bit the yield has to be one productive winger and one dependable center.
  9. I tend to mirror bigted on this one. I think we are considering the same things but I feel Lars is ready for top 6 duty as early as this year. IMO, the position isnt as important as the role, competition, pressure to produce and ice-time. I don't see DD as a winger in the top 6, his only role is with big wingers on a scoring line. Pleks will be older and banged up, but I feel he will get less taxed the next couple of years with better players around him.
  10. Yes. 3 years is a long time. I'd venture to say most will be here in 2 years. Roy, we agree on mixing it up and maximizing Lars long term offensive potential. I see him as a top 6. IMO, that means he's going to slide over since I think Galchenyuk and Plekanec should be our 1-2 punch in the coming years, everything you highlight about his attributes are valid but as you say fundamentally I see him in the top 6 where I feel both center spots are taken.
  11. Noke spare/interchangeable with White. Gomez AHL to start season, if Leblanc gets overwhelmed or Gomez tears up the league after ten games flip them. I threw it out there but If you pause and think about it, there's some merit to it for the sake of discussion in August. I believe Lars is a future LW on a line with Galchenyuk. DD is a placeholder. Plekanec isn't, shouldn't go anywhere. Leblanc was drafted as a center. How bout for the sake of projection 2014-15: Eller Galchenyuk Cole Pacioretty Plekanec Gallagher Prust Leblanc Bourque Moen White Dumont Gorges Subban Beaulieu Tinordi (defenceman obtained for DD) - Emelin Price Hey it's mid-summer and this is a fan forum for a league 15 days from locking out.
  12. Throwing this out there: Pax DD Cole Eller Plekanec Gionta Prust Leblanc Bourque Moen White Armstrong Gorges Subban Markov Emelin Bouillon Kaberle It's a lost season, if there is one, let's take some chances and groom for the future. I still contend Lars top end offensive skills are better than Leblanc and he will make an ideal winger for Galchenyuk when he's ready for primetime. Louis is responsible and big enough to become a good 2 way center eventually. Start now.
  13. Excellent post. I agree with the premise of your post almost entirely.
  14. Again, the chasm between our views isn't that wide. DD is our first line center. He's being used like a first line center, that remains my main point. You call it semantics but thats the point I was making. It's not sheltering, it's using what we got. There is a difference between those 2 views and the image they project. All 3 of us can agree that DD is a likable feel good story that isn't a top notch NHL center. That is a certainty. My point was always he was being used because there's no one better available and required highlighting of his attributes. Strip it all away, unfortunately for us habs fans on our roster: Henrik Sedin = David Desharnais Ryan Kesler = Tomas Plekanec .... And that's why we finished in 15th.
  15. I am not arguing that Desharnais is a better hockey player than Plekanec. That is silly. My point of contention remains with the use of the word sheltered. If you read my post, I am not saying I think DD is a premier number 1 center and we should build the franchise around him, what I essentially am pointing out is that our coaching staff appropriately placed him in a position to succeed. He is a unidimensional offensive hockey player so placing him with our best offensive wingers is smart. Playing him with Giona and Bourque for example against the other teams top lines is clearly not a recipe for success. Furthermore, Plekanec , as you pointed out, is our best defensive center so if you flank him with Cole/PAC you are going to be imposing tougher defensive assignments on them. Again, some might call that sheltering Cole/PAC I call that a smart strategy. Desharnais was placed in a role that best suited his and the teams needs. I am not debating whether or not he's good enough to be there in the first place what I am debating is the hyperbole of calling his minutes sheltered. They aren't, we designated him our first line offensive center by force of a weak roster and he was employed the same way all teams use their first line. To be completely honest, the Habs coming season will be a relative success if DD repeats his exact same production, it's Plekanec that desperately needs more strategy and help in place to aid him maximize his superior overall game.
  16. A few posts back BCH pointed out something that I think is important to acknowledge: the sheltered minutes theory is overrated. Let me flip the scenario completely: consider 3rd line centers who are face off specialists, do we overrate their ability to win face offs in the defensive zone? Do we consider it sheltering them when a line change is made specifically to win a f/o in your own zone? What some say is sheltered I call COACHING. If the other team has tired legs on the ice after an icing you most definitely put your best offensive zone players on the ice, because you are maximizing their chance to succeed. Defensively, if Carey freezes the puck after an onslaught in our zone, an intelligent coach is throwing his best defensive player/f-o man out there. Does that mean we are sheltering a defensive players reputation as a shutdown guy, are we protecting our defensively weak offensive guys? IMO, what were doing is called strategy. DD certainly isn't Henrik Sedin but on OUR roster he's our best purely offensive center, so you employ him in situations that maximize his chance to succeed in his role. Whether or not you feel he's good enough for that role is one thing but every team uses their labelled number 1 center the exact same way. Plekanec is good offensively and defensively and so you don't need to think about throwing him out there too much, he's always going to be ok. To further hammer home my point, if you're down by 1 goal you aren't throwing a line centered by Nokelainen out there because you're setting your player up for failure. That's not sheltering that's asset management.
  17. Pk: Prust-Eller Moen-Pleks Bourque-White Subban- Gorges Markov-Emelin Bouillon Pp: Two and a half Markov Subban Plekanec Eller Gionta Kaberle - Markov/Subban (double shift)
  18. MMW: Eller scores 22 goals. Gomez does not finish the season in Montreal. Cole and Pacioretty dont score 30 again. Gionta scores 28. Plekanec has 60 points. Subban makes the All-Star team. Habs make the playoffs and lose in 5 games to the Rangers.
  19. Thank you for validating my post with these stats. Whether or not we want to face it this team is building and is not nearly as bad as traditional top 3 draft picking teams usually are. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Habs will be this years Florida Panthers: A bunch of unimpresssive FA signings added to a competent roster, mixed in with some good young players and good goaltending and voila a battle for a playoff spot is on the horizon.
  20. Great post. I'd like to add to the above statement: I think the Habs were the best last place team in the NHL of the last decade. Yes, my opinion is biased but we're Habs fans so it's not like we're blindly optimistic, particularly me. I've been watching and following the NHL for 25 years, very infrequently will a team finish in dead last for the conference without getting blown out multiple times, while having 2 30 goal scorers, 4 50 point scorers, the number one PK and an All-Star goaltender. This team has a core that is better than meets the eye. Not a cup contender but with growth by young players, a couple of gritty additions and one or 2 smart moves we will be back in the contender conversation within 3 years. Ultimately, I feel like this team as it stands will battle for a spot in the playoffs this year and depending on some players like Eller, Subban, Emelin making the "jump" from good to very good might surprisingly lock down a low tier spot. That would be a huge success coming off a last place finish but becomes more valuable because it doesn't appear as though our current GM will sell the farm to "just" make the playoffs. This regime is hoping to do the opposite of the previous one: Start low, rise high : 15th > 8-10th > 4-6th > Perennial Conference finalist/cup contender. IMO, that isn't done in 1 month or 1 season especially with another CBA Armageddon on the horizon.
  21. It's a good thing for the NHL in general that the Preds matched the offer but now its going to look even sillier when these clowns claim small market teams can't afford the current salary mass. DOAN: Good fit for us, bad fit for him. Pipe dream.
  22. I think Columbus did well in this deal, the only problem is the first rounder is a very low pick. Nash is 28 (an old 28) allegedly entering his prime and will be playing with a Top 5 center in Brad Richards, I think we can chalk him up for 35-45 goals and 35 assists assuming 75 games played. Solid first line/All-star production, who knows what he's got in the playoffs though and the offensive depth on the Rangers isn't very good. Also, Nash and Gaborik both shoot left and like to play on the off-wing, so one of them is either playing the off-wing or OFF Richards line. So, either Stephan or Callahan is going to have to set the table at an All-star level to make the duo's impact worth it. I don't think it will happen, either they create a monster line with a thin offensive behind them or they dilute their top end production. I feel like the Rangers lost the identity that made them successful last year: Depth, toughness, tight checking and timely scoring from a wide variety of players. Columbus gets a young, future captain type player that plays in all situations and is tough as nails and will get 40-50 points a season on average in Dubinsky. Young, big talented top 6 player in the making in Anisimov. Young, big, solid stay at home top 4 potential 21 year old defenceman Tim Erixon to potentially play with Johnson, Wisniewski or Murray in the future. Low first round pick. Likely leads to another solid yet unspectacular player. So, in summary the Blue Jackets, an awful organization and team for many years with one star player, have traded him for 3-4 long term pieces on a developping team. The Rangers have traded depth for star power, again. IMO, 3 years from now unless the Rangers win a cup and only a cup, this deal will be slanted towards the Blue Jackets as they return to the playoffs by 2015.
  23. I think Columbus did well in this deal, the only problem is the first rounder is a very low pick. Nash is 28 (an old 28) allegedly entering his prime and will be playing with a Top 5 center in Brad Richards, I think we can chalk him up for 35-45 goals and 35 assists assuming 75 games played. Solid first line/All-star production, who knows what he's got in the playoffs though and the offensive depth on the Rangers isn't very good. Also, Nash and Gaborik both shoot left and like to play on the off-wing, so one of them is either playing the off-wing or OFF Richards line. So, either Stephan or Callahan is going to have to set the table at an All-star level to make the duo's impact worth it. I don't think it will happen, either they create a monster line with a thin offensive behind them or they dilute their top end production. I feel like the Rangers lost the identity that made them successful last year: Depth, toughness, tight checking and timely scoring from a wide variety of players. Columbus gets a young, future captain type player that plays in all situations and is tough as nails and will get 40-50 points a season on average in Dubinsky. Young, big talented top 6 player in the making in Anisimov. Young, big, solid stay at home top 4 potential 21 year old defenceman Tim Erixon to potentially play with Johnson, Wisniewski or Murray in the future. Low first round pick. Likely leads to another solid yet unspectacular player. So, in summary the Blue Jackets, an awful organization and team for many years with one star player, have traded him for 3-4 long term pieces on a developping team. The Rangers have traded depth for star power, again. IMO, 3 years from now unless the Rangers win a cup and only a cup, this deal will be slanted towards the Blue Jackets as they return to the playoffs by 2015.
  24. With his signing, who is the odd man out on defence? We have 7 one way contracts.
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