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  1. 4 hours ago, campabee82 said:

    For those willing to let KK gofor such a small return guess who else on Montreal is represented by KK's agents, Nick Suzuki! So guess who else will be signing an OS if MB tries to lowball him too, that's right Nick Suzuki! This one OS has so many ramifications if not matched that it just makes no sense not to match and deal with the cap later.

    This is apples to oranges. Nick Suzuki has already shown enough to be penciled in at 1C this coming season and could be there for a very long time. If he even comes close to the expectations the Canadiens will open the wallet for him, giving him both good money and term, when the time comes.

    KK has only been a 3C since he joined the team and has been sheltered for most of that time. He has not proven himself or lived up to the potential everybody sees in him. It makes sense to attempt to sign him to a bridge deal to see if he can achieve that. Either he did not want one or he does indeed not want to play for Montreal any more and this was a way for him to leave.

  2. 1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

    It is $6 million for 1 yr , the bonus is $20 dollars not $20 million 

    LOL, I misread the number in the story. However, that just proves this is personal for the Hurricanes and it make even less sense for KK.

    Next year he will probably not be qualified at $6.1 million and when he goes to free agency he will be lucky to receive half that much. At least if he would have accepted $20 million he would have gone along way to insuring himself against future pay cuts.

    He is still not worth that and the medium to long-term problems his salary would have on the salary cap so let him walk.

  3. The Aho offer sheet was a legitimate hockey offer. He would have solved the Canadiens' problem at 1C. It was business but it would appear the Hurricanes took it personally. 

    Of course KK is going to accept the offer. I would challenge anyone to claim they would have turned down someone offering them US$26 million for one year when you were 21 years old. The problem is that in Montreal he would have been penciled in as the second line centre this year, which would have helped his development and raised his value going forward. Carolina is pretty much set at centre so I do not see him being more than a 3th line centre or a top nine winger on that team. At his age that could impact his development and reduce his value in the future. Then again, 26 million dollars.

    If I am the Canadiens I let him walk. He is not worth that kind of money at this stage of his career. That salary would totally skew the salary cup structure of the team and make things difficult in the following years. One player is not worth all of that, unless his name is McDavid, or Crosby 12 years ago. Take the draft picks. That will give the Canadiens 12 for next year and maybe a couple of them and one of the surplus wingers can be packaged up for a serviceable and more experienced 2C.

    The Hurricanes would then be saddled with that ridiculous contract and they would either have to qualify him next year or let him walk as a free agent. That would be a very bad return on the money they invested in him. As for KK himself he better manage his windfall well because he will not see that kind of money for the next few years and depending on whether he realizes his potential or not he may never see that kind of money again. 

  4. 3 hours ago, H_T_L said:

    Full out damage control by Molson. Just about every fan out there knew this was a problem choice, but for whatever reason, it just went over the heads of Hab management. Mind boggling how they could have so badly misread the situation. Who's running this show??:rolleyes:

    Billion dollar business organizations do not become such organizations by not realizing the ramifications of the decisions they make. As soon as Mr. Mailloux came up on their radar they began planning the PR campaign that they would need if they picked him.

    They picked him because they believed he was the best player available, he could address a long-term organizational need and they believed that he would not be available when their next pick arrived.

    Nothing of what I have seen since they picked him has surprised me.

    The media jumped all over it because it was something that could drive traffic to their news organizations websites during what has been and continues to be a dreadfully boring hockey off-season. "If it bleed it leads" and this story was tailor made for sports media. The Outrage brigade on social media also jumped all over it. Although some of these people are genuine in their outrage I would guess that many more are outraged because they learned a long time ago that outrage results in more likes and follows on social media than measured and rational debate. Which is why if you want such debates you avoid social media. 

    Some team sponsors have made noises about pulling their sponsorship but I have not heard of any who have actually done so. I will save you the suspense, none of them will because the Habs are a major revenue driver for their companies and they will not be willing to give that up. So their statements of concern are about as sincere as Hannibal Lecter announcing he is becoming a vegan.

    The statements by the Canadiens have followed a set process. The first initial statements of MB soon after the selection. It was written long before the selection was made. Then the wording and the timing of the release of the statement by Mr. Molson this afternoon was planned down to the minute. Nothing about it was a mistake or accident. I would also point out that the target audience of Mr. Molson's statement was not the media or the Outrage brigade on social media. Both will condemn the organization regardless of what they say or do. The audience was the vast majority of the fanbase who are concerned by the pick but who are not foaming at the mouth with outrage. A little mea culpa will go along way in convincing them that the Organization has learned a valuable lesson and it will not happen again, at least not until the next time it does. Mr. Molson's statement was also designed to give team sponsors political cover for not pulling their sponsorship.

    There is only one sure outcome for this controversy. The young woman harmed by Mr. Mailloux will be forgotten. The controversy will die down as the media and social media find something else to become outraged about. Mr. Mailloux will become the Top 4 defenceman that the Canadiens saw when they selected him at which point those who have been calling for his head this summer will be singing his praises, maybe mentioning in passing that little trouble he had as a teenager. Or he will be another Michael O'Byrne who will disappear and be forgotten along with his victim.

  5. 24 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

    +1 to this.

    I don't think it's so much about generating news, it's about changing culture. Look at the what Trump did in 4 years. He's openly talked about sexually harassing women like it was funny. He's made it seem okay to be able to threaten your adversaries or people who disagree with you. Whether he's the cause or whether he's a symptom, I don't know, but people nowadays feel entitled to have their opinion and freedom of speech and freedom of action, regardless of whether it impacts someone else or not. Again, I don't think it's so much about this one kid as it is about society accepting something or taking a stand and saying it is fed up. Again, I'm not focusing here on the one kid and whether he got just punishment from the law or not. My biggest problem with the draft is the league and the Habs clearly not caring about what happened. I didn't like it when the NFL just let Ben Roethlisberger come back to work. I didn't like it when Austin Matthews got to come back unscathed. And I'm not a fan of the league and the team saying they're willing to ignore this in order to further the on-ice product. For goodness sake, the team has gone to great lengths to hire a Francophone coach for the past decade because of the optics of what it might look like off-ice to not do that and despite what it leads to for on-ice performance. Is that issue really a more pressing societal issue than the ethical treatment of women?

    Donald Trump is proof that we never even came close to eliminating racism, sexism, and the notion that white, straight, Christian males are superior to everybody else. All we did was bury them and Donald Trump allowed them to come back into the mainstream.

    The NHL at its most basic is a business, where the product is a game and where the only measure of success at that game is winning. Virtually all of the awards handed out are for teams winning divisions, conferences or being the last team standing at the end and for individual player achievements that contributes to that goal. I think only two of those individual awards are for doing good work that does not involve winning something. That should be a good indication of where the league's priorities lie. Other professional sports leagues have the same priorities which is why they will often look the other way when a player does something that could be considered outside the norms of appropriate behaviour. 

    As for the answer to your last question the answer is an unqualified yes. If the Habs were to hire a unilingual anglophone coach or GM the backlash would be widespread, persistent and it would reach the highest levels. The anger it would generate from francophones would be visceral. Contrast that to the drafting of Mr. Mailloux. The usual suspects have expressed their outrage but ask the "man on the street" what they think about it and that outrage would probably be more muted. This time next week no one will be talking about him or the fact the Habs drafted him anymore.

  6. 9 hours ago, campabee82 said:

    This is taking the selection and even the crime too far. To flat out say that it trivialize violence against women is a gross exaggeration. This was not a violent crime, it wasn't even a sex crime! He was for sure an immature A** and deserved the fine for invading her privacy but let's not overreact. Of course the advocacy groups are going to want to overplay this to push their agendas and the media loves the controversy because it sells papers. It is funny to see how divided the world is over this, in my own personal family I have 6 sisters (some half and step) and 2 brothers, I also have a Daughter and 4 sons. It is strange to see but the majority of the females are on the side that the kid has paid for his crime and it's time to move on, where as the majority of the men are outraged and want his head on a stake forever. See the males in my family were all raised to do everything we can to protect women from any and all injustices. I think society as a whole over the last 40-50 years have tried to take this same approach. Sometimes though the injustices are precieved to be worse than they actually are. Let's reverse the roles for a minute, we will leave the participants as they are (Mailloux being a young prospect). IF the young lady had taped and released the video and Mailloux was the victim do you think this would have even been news worthy? My guess is she wouldn't have even been fined.  Do you think that she would have been shunned by the entire world? I would guess that most people right or wrong would have said or at least thought that Mailloux should toughen up and get over it. There are a few reasons that this is news worthy IMO. 1. It happened outside of Canada making it an international incident. 2. The content of the video was sexual in nature (still not a sex crime though). 3. It was the male in this case that committed the crime. Remove any one of those 3 elements and it never even makes the news. If he had shared a video of the young lady crossing a road with his friends and she found out the crime would have been the same and it still would have been an international incident but it wouldn't have made the news. Same thing with the other two elements, if it had happened in N.A. it likely makes the local papers but doesn't go much further than that or like outlined above if the roles were reversed than likely no one even cares. The problem is this was the perfect storm for the media to run with and exploit the story. 

    This pretty much sums it up. For too many commentators, whether they be professional or amateur, there are only two settings when it comes to sports, politics, or society in general, namely, OUTRAGED or asleep. There is now room for nuance, perspective or mitigating factors. They just immediately scream "Off with their heads" and then become even more outraged if that outcome in not immediately implemented. Observing this in so many facets of modern society I often wonder how these people are not completely exhausted because I know that I find it exhausting having to observe it all of the time.

    For the professional commentators I can understand it somewhat. The modern media landscape requires outrage to generate clicks, which drives revenues and profits for media companies. And if you have seen the layoffs at media companies during the last 5 to 10 years you know they need to generate as many clicks as possible. This story is tailored for doing just that so seeing the outrage from the media types is not surprising, even if there might be a little hypocrisy underneath the outrage. As for the amateurs I would imagine that a large number of them gain a feeling of superiority by expressing their outrage with the added bonus of not having to look in towards their own souls. Not everybody who has expressed outrage falls into this category but I would estimate that a large chunk of them do.

    What this youngster did is wrong, there is not denying that. As well, in Sweden, what he did is a crime for which he was required to pay the penalty for committing it. He gravely injured his victim and she may never forgive him for it, which would not surprise me one bit and which I completely understand. However, he still has his whole life to live and he is going to have to get on with it, living with what he did going forward. Maybe he will truly regret his actions and never do it again or maybe he won't. If he does not then he will not be unique. 

    With regard to drafting him the silliest argument I have heard is he should not have had the "honour" of being drafted in the 1st round. Hogwash. By most accounts that I have read he has the tools to become a top pair defenceman in the mold of Jeff Petry/Shea Weber. If his being drafted after the 32nd pick overall is sufficient "punishment" for his transgressions I would say that people who believe that may not be totally sincere in their outrage at his actions.

    One final thought. Right now many commentators believe this youngster is "the scum of the earth". However, if his game does grow to resemble that of the two defenceman I mentioned in the previous paragraph I would imagine most of those same commentators will be saying "What a fine fellow we have made him". If he does not, he, his crime and his victim will be forgotten.

  7. 1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

    A couple of things to consider:

    - Eichel makes 10M a year. Kotkaniemi is younger and will be paid a lot less for the next 2-3 years. It means that at least in the short term, you might be able to pay JK 2-3M and have 7-8M left over to go and find a top pairing D man. If, for example, I could trade a 1st, Romanov, and a prospect to get Zach Werenski, to me the combination of Werenski and JK at a cheaper overall cost is more valuable than Eichel alone for more money and more return assets in the trade.

    - Eichel has a neck injury of unknown severity. He may require surgery and he may have permanent disability. There's upside but also risk involved with acquiring him and Buffalo reportedly hasn't made his medical file available.


    These things limit his value in a trade. From what I've heard, several teams have inquired but the asking price from Buffalo has been unrealistic and thus probably doesn't take into account the above. Reportedly no one wants to offer Buffalo what they're asking for, so it's likely the final price will be lower than what we're hearing now. Buffalo has got top-end young talent on D but needs help at center, so you would guess JK would be the centerpiece in any trade, which is fine, but I do still think he's going to be a lot better in two years than he is now. I don't see an impetus for including Romanov. He's our only younger NHL-ready defenceman right now and we're short on D men. I don't see the Habs including an NHL D man in the deal for this reason. I could see including another good prospect (Struble, Ylonen, Harris, etc.) who isn't quite established yet though. And with Eichel's 10M, I think you'd have to shed some salary the other way. Byron is an obvious salary-dump, but Lehkonen could be a trade chip and Drouin is a wildcard here too. So I could see a trade that works for both teams whereby it's Eichel for a package of Kotkaniemi, Drouin, Harris, and a 1st.

    *Sigh* Looking at the last 10 or so Stanley Cup champions the one thing they all have in common is they drafted and developed a core group of players together and then added bits around them to support them. Once they established that core of players they did not fiddle with them. Such an approach is the best one in the cap world and although it does not always work, (I am looking at you Edmonton, Toronto and Buffalo) it has been the template for most of the last 10 years or so.

    Montreal has been following that approach for the last few years and it finally paid off with an appearance in the Stanley Cup final, when almost half of that core us still under 24. Why would you want to start fiddling with it now. Yes I know that Eichel is an elite talent but that is not always enough, as Edmonton and Toronto have been demonstrating for quite some time.

    Added to that is Eichel's neck injury. They can be unpredictable. Unlike, knees, shoulders, groins and even heads neck injuries can seem OK but old neck injuries can be easily aggravated leaving the player unable to play for weeks, months or forever. 

    Montreal is pushing 30 years without a cup and one of the reasons why is they have had this tendency to abandon the patient approach to go for the quick fix, just as the patient approach starts showing signs of paying off. The quick fix never works and they are set back once again and have to start over. I hope this does not wind up being the latest example of that trend.

  8. 5 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

    Some more info on Price...

    1. An insider who works with some of the guys in Seattle say Francis has full approval from the owners to select Price if he sees fit and they'd peg the odds at about 50-50 right now. So they really do appear to be considering it (or else trying to make the Habs think they're considering to try and force MB to pony up to keep him).

    2. Stephane Waite says Price's injury is minor and a common thing for goalies. He says about 1/3 of goalies have similar types of surgery in each off-season to repair minor injuries and this shouldn't impact him going forward. Says the story may be blown out of proportion.

    3. Rumors suggest Seattle could pick Tarasenko and flip him to another team retaining salary. They can't flip Price back to us, but easy for a third party to make Seattle an offer. Retain 50% and we'll give you a nice package. Another option here...

    Stephane Waite has not been with the team for several months. Maybe Carey Price was dealing with a common goalie ailment when he was with the team but it could have been aggravated or another injury occurred during the playoffs. He would be speculating like all of are.

    If Seattle takes Price I imagine he would be hesitant to move on from there. Being near his wife's parents and his children's grandparents would be a big disincentive to leaving.

  9. A few things

    1. MB would not have been able to expose Price without the explicit support of Mr. Molson so anybody that thinks MB will lose his job if Seattle picks Price is mistaken.

    2. It is highly unlikely that Seattle will take Price at his salary cap. That would mean an expansion team would have 17% of their cap taken up by goaltenders, one of which will always not be playing on any given night. Many ridicule the Canadiens for being in this situation so I would doubt that Seattle would want to be in this situation. As well, when the GM of the Kraken says that his best asset is salary cap part of what he means is having cap flexibility, something he will need going forward, and taking Price would take away a great deal of that flexibility.

    3. Seattle is home for Price's wife and his kids will be very close to both sets of grandparents so if he winds up there he will stay there. His NMC is only waived for the expansion draft and he will have to approve any other transactions.

    4. Let's assume that he approves a trade to a contender, what does Seattle receive in return. By their very nature contenders generally only have middling draft pick, prospects and depth players available for trade. They do not trade the players that make them contenders. So any return would probably be a late first round draft choice, one or two prospects that may or may not ever break into the NHL and the contender would probably try to pawn off a third or fourth line player who is receiving first line money. Hardly the return you would expect for Carey Price.

    5. If Seattle sweetened the pot by offering to retain salary, say 50%, then whatever roster player came back the other way would have an effective cap hit of his salary plus the retained salary. Again, that would probably be for a third liner already receiving first line dollars. That is lousy cap management.

    6. If Seattle does take Price then MB suddenly has a whole whack of extra cap space to sign the teams free agents and then go after some quality free agents on the market. If Weber goes on the LTIR on top of that MB would have that precious commodity of a ton of cap flexibility in a flat cap environment. As well, Allen then becomes Number 1a and we can see if Primeau can become 1b. Personally, the idea of the likes of Primeau, KK, Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov and maybe Poehling all developing together under Captain Brendan Gallagher is intriguing. In three or four years that team would be a force.

    7. If Price stays then the Canadiens lose one of Kulak, Byron or perhaps Drouin and the Canadiens' off season proceeds as expected.

    On balance I believe that Carey Price will be a Hab when the season starts but I guess we will have to see.

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