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  1. 1. What is the problem with the Canadiens PP?

    • Missing a big shot.
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    • Missing a big body in the blue ice.
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    • Missing Kovalev's half board magic.
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    • Need a new system.
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    • Missing a work ethic.
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    • There is nothin wrong. They still get as many chances.
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I think it's the big slap shot. Markov isn't really used to taking those big slap shots on the powerplay, he's more used to passing to players and they'll take the big shot, but now that Streit is gone, they need to rely on Markov to make the big shot and he's just not used to it. There are also some other reasons, like Kovalev's magic along the boards from last year, but I think the slap shot is a bigger one. Atleast to me.

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Give Andrei Kostitsyn the blue line in the next couple practices and then give it to him in the three games. He doesn't have the most amazing shot in the league, but he's better and I believe smarter with the puck than Lang. If that does not work, call up Weber and scratch O'byrne. Give him three or so games to try it out.

If that fails, we'll be at mid-point of the season and we'll have to make a trade. Sundin could fix the power play, but we won't be signing him.

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Give Andrei Kostitsyn the blue line in the next couple practices and then give it to him in the three games. He doesn't have the most amazing shot in the league, but he's better and I believe smarter with the puck than Lang. If that does not work, call up Weber and scratch O'byrne. Give him three or so games to try it out.

If that fails, we'll be at mid-point of the season and we'll have to make a trade. Sundin could fix the power play, but we won't be signing him.

QFT

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That's basically justification for doing anything we want to the power play right now. It can't get much worse, so why not? AK on the point makes sense though. I like his shot.

Exactly, it's not like we'd be messing with some golden formula of lethal PP effectiveness. :D With our PP completely in the tank, let's strip it down and rebuild. Markov back on the left point permanently, AK46 on the right point. Kovalev and Latendresse in front of the net. SK74 on the half wall.

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Exactly, it's not like we'd be messing with some golden formula of lethal PP effectiveness. :D With our PP completely in the tank, let's strip it down and rebuild. Markov back on the left point permanently, AK46 on the right point. Kovalev and Latendresse in front of the net. SK74 on the half wall.

Who takes the faceoff? :lol:

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The PP has reached a new level of horrible without Saku. We need someone with a big shot, whos willing to let it go.

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I am going to fix our power play.

Left Point : Markov/Brisebois

Right Point : A. Kostitsyn/S.Kostitsyn

Right Boards : A. Kovalev/Plekanec

Slot : Lang/Latendresse

Left Circle : Tanguay/D'Agostini

Left point duties : Shoot the puck when the point is not protected, move the puck left or right when it is.

Right point duties : Shoot the puck when the point is not protected, move the puck right or to the slot when it is.

Right boards duties : Shoot the puck when a lane is available, move the puck hard around the boards when it isn't.

Slot duties : When the puck is at the point, move to the top of the crease and screen/deflect. Otherwise, have your stick on the ice and smack anything that comes in range in the direction of the net.

Left circle duties : When a shot is coming, crash the net. Find the puck and either smack it at the net or put it around the boards to the point or the right boards.

When gaining the zone, immediately move to your assigned position after having one of the point men shoot the puck in hard around. When there is a battle along the boards, the slot player moves in to assist and the player on the opposite side of the ice moves to the slot. The point men hold their positions.

If someone believes they have an opportunity to do something individually or make a pretty pass, the other four players on the ice are to immediately skate over to that player and smack him across the back of the head.

With Markov and Kovalev on opposite sides, the defense is either stretched laterally or required to collapse to cover the passing and shooting lanes. With shots coming from the point with frequency, the defense is required to spread out, creating space down low. With shots coming from the slot, the defense is required to keep a man in front to impede that player when possible. With an extra player crashing the net any time the shot comes, the defense is required to divide their attention and eye that player, thus collapsing when a shot is fired and allowing us to regain puck possession on shots that are deflected wide. When we regain possession and have the opportunity to send the puck back to the point, the defense is required to scramble back into formation and open up more lanes and opportunities to move and shoot the puck.

This should be simple enough that every player can understand and perform their duties and we will get enough opportunities to ensure that we can cash in on a few. With players less inclined to make individual efforts or elaborate plays due to bruising in the back of the skull, we won't have to worry about regaining the zone or giving up short handed chances to the opposition any more.

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When I watch the power play, what I notice is that the other team clears the puck from their zone like 4, 5 or 6 times. I think that is the problem.

If we can reduce it to an average of 1 or 2 clearings per 2 minute power play we should be fine. If we can average 3 or 4 shots we should be between 20 and 25%.

Confidence is clearly an issue. 5 on 4 is an absolutely dominant situation... that's why when the 4th line was on the power play last night they did well. They're not as skilled, but they had numbers, and since they didn't have psychological bagagge they knew what to do.

The fact Carbonneau refuses to play Andrei Kostitsyn implies, to me, that he has a personality conflict with Kostitsyn.

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Who takes the faceoff? :lol:

Ok, Lang on the half-wall instead of SK74.

I don't want Pleks there because he seem to have a love affair with taking shots from near the goalie no-play zone that never come close to going in and only result in the puck being cleared.

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I don't know exactly what the problem is. I do think the lack of a threat from the blue line enables our opponents to be able to focus more on our scorers down low, especially Kovalev. In previous years, pressuring him too much just left him the back door to either Streit or Souray which often produced either a goal or a juicy rebound where our forwards would be able to generate chances.

What is bugging me, though, and I saw it a lot yesterday (how many straight penalties did the Caps take?) was that our PP is so ineffective that there is positively no deterrent to our opponents playing tougher against us. They can afford to be more aggressive with clutching and grabbing and rubbing us along the boards because if they do get called for it, there is virtually no chance the penalty will result in a Canadiens goal.

I said it a couple of times on the Game Day Thread yesterday: if there is no negative consequence to hooking (for example) a guy that's faster than me, I'll hook him 100 times out of 100.

It's gotten to the point where, not only is our PP ineffective, that ineffectiveness is just giving our opponents another edge and the right to play tougher and potentially dirtier against us.

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Here is some more info on how I think we can improve the power play:

To have success, I think that we have to work on one specific line at a time for the power play. Riccochet had the lines pretty much perfect, but they need to spend quite a bit of time together in practice to learn how to adapt to eachother and specific pentalty killing methods. Tapes need to be reviewed by this group along with Carbo. He has to ask them what they think went wrong while trying to gain the zone, what went wrong while trying to set up. Take their suggestions into account and use this as a learning tool. Let them claim the problem and the solutions to fixing it. They need to make it their own. They are intellegent players and deep down, they know what they need to do. Once they have claimed the problem, they can move on to actually fixing it. Then Carbo can use his wisdom and player's suggestions to get a system that works. Since there is player input, it will build confidence but still allow the coach the ability to structure and guide the learning process.

They need to start thinking about this power play. If they have a clear group plan of what they need to do to get the puck in the net, they can execute it. The talent is there waiting to be tapped.

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Its obviously the shot we are lacking plus luck. I have watched every game the habs have played for years. Since souray, we have always gone to the point for the shot, we lost souray, we fell on streit. What we need is kovalev playing on the half boards setting up the play...always!!!! either he shoots,goes to the point or the cross ice pass and to me .....everyone on that team should be able to shoot from the blue line and get it close to the net. If not ,maybe thats our problem!

but kovalev has to be the back bone to the powerplay like he was last year.

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We need that key player at the blueline a long with Kovy.

Last season when we had Kovy and Streit, we always had one of those 2 who was open. Kovy could score from the face off circle and Streit could score from the blueline.

This season, we have nothing on the blueline so they automatically cover Kovy.

I'm with you, put AK46 out there for a few games. I'm sure that's all it'll take to get teams away from Kovy, AK46 has a great shot, the league knows that. Either they put 2 men on Kovy and it leaves AK46 open, or kovy has only 1 player to contend with instead of 2. Either way, i think more shots will actually reach the net and created scoring opportunities.

I'm not at all worried about AK46 on the defensive end. He's a fast skater, he might not stop em but he can keep em tangled up until help arrives, in the form of Markov.

I think we're 28th in the league, can't get much worse.

Here is some more info on how I think we can improve the power play:

To have success, I think that we have to work on one specific line at a time for the power play. Riccochet had the lines pretty much perfect, but they need to spend quite a bit of time together in practice to learn how to adapt to eachother and specific pentalty killing methods. Tapes need to be reviewed by this group along with Carbo. He has to ask them what they think went wrong while trying to gain the zone, what went wrong while trying to set up. Take their suggestions into account and use this as a learning tool. Let them claim the problem and the solutions to fixing it. They need to make it their own. They are intellegent players and deep down, they know what they need to do. Once they have claimed the problem, they can move on to actually fixing it. Then Carbo can use his wisdom and player's suggestions to get a system that works. Since there is player input, it will build confidence but still allow the coach the ability to structure and guide the learning process.

They need to start thinking about this power play. If they have a clear group plan of what they need to do to get the puck in the net, they can execute it. The talent is there waiting to be tapped.

We can't even start to set up if we're not winning faceoff's in their zone while on the PP.

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We can't even start to set up if we're not winning faceoff's in their zone while on the PP.

Did you even read my post? This would obviously be covered in discussion and confidence building.

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It seems simple to me. Two years ago Montreal lead the NHL on the PP with Souray blasting passes from Markov and some goals from the forwards like Ryder, Markov, Higgins, Koivu, and Kovalev getting PP points. Last year Montreal lead the NHL on the PP with Streit blasting passes from Markov and making nice passes to other players. Kovalev, Pleks, A.Kostitsyn, Higgins, and Markov also got a lot of PP points.

I believe that Montreal got 40% on it's goals on the PP.

Right now Montreal better forwards then they have in many seasons. However, the PP is easily stopped because there is no threat from the point. It is also a mistake to put Markov on the right hand point based on his huge success on the left hand point on the PP and the fact that Markov plays defence on the left side.

Montreal should have scored on the PP against the Devils which would have gave Montreal the win instead of OT single point. Montreal should have scored on the PP against the Caps giving Montreal a single point and more likely 2 points. One goal does not win very often. However if the PP was getting goals 25% of the time like in the past two seasons then Montreal would get one or two more goals in those games when our team only managed to score 1 goal.

I think Montreal has scored one goal in 7 games and we have been shutout once. This season. 8 games. 16 possible points. Montreal has 2 points. If Montreal had scored some PP goals I believe Montreal could have 9 more points. Realistic that with a good PP that Montreal would have 11 out of 16 points if the PP was running at 2007-08 or 2006-07 levels of success.

Get a solid offensive defenceman like Kaberle, Aucion, Ohlund, or Bouwmeester via a trade. Or take a huge chance and put Weber into the PP specialist role like Streit was last season by playing with 7 defencemen. Why not take a chance on Weber? The PP cannot be worse. And if Weber fails to help he can go to AHL without clearing waivers.

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It seems simple to me. Two years ago Montreal lead the NHL on the PP with Souray blasting passes from Markov and some goals from the forwards like Ryder, Markov, Higgins, Koivu, and Kovalev getting PP points. Last year Montreal lead the NHL on the PP with Streit blasting passes from Markov and making nice passes to other players. Kovalev, Pleks, A.Kostitsyn, Higgins, and Markov also got a lot of PP points.

I believe that Montreal got 40% on it's goals on the PP.

Right now Montreal better forwards then they have in many seasons. However, the PP is easily stopped because there is no threat from the point. It is also a mistake to put Markov on the right hand point based on his huge success on the left hand point on the PP and the fact that Markov plays defence on the left side.

Montreal should have scored on the PP against the Devils which would have gave Montreal the win instead of OT single point. Montreal should have scored on the PP against the Caps giving Montreal a single point and more likely 2 points. One goal does not win very often. However if the PP was getting goals 25% of the time like in the past two seasons then Montreal would get one or two more goals in those games when our team only managed to score 1 goal.

I think Montreal has scored one goal in 7 games and we have been shutout once. This season. 8 games. 16 possible points. Montreal has 2 points. If Montreal had scored some PP goals I believe Montreal could have 9 more points. Realistic that with a good PP that Montreal would have 11 out of 16 points if the PP was running at 2007-08 or 2006-07 levels of success.

Get a solid offensive defenceman like Kaberle, Aucion, Ohlund, or Bouwmeester via a trade. Or take a huge chance and put Weber into the PP specialist role like Streit was last season by playing with 7 defencemen. Why not take a chance on Weber? The PP cannot be worse. And if Weber fails to help he can go to AHL without clearing waivers.

Agreed 100%.

One question, which of Weber or Carle plays defense from the right side?

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Agreed 100%.

One question, which of Weber or Carle plays defense from the right side?

Weber played on the right point for the Kitchener Rangers. Not sure about Carle.

Put BGL on the IRL to make room on the roster for Weber. Not like BGL has protected our goalies from getting run. The best way to help our goalies is to score some goals on the PP. Our goalies have played great and should have more wins.

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The PP has reached a new level of horrible without Saku. We need someone with a big shot, whos willing to let it go.

who knew that was even possible. :huh: and the game itself...we need koivu for the faceoffs :'(

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I am going to fix our power play.

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This should be simple enough that every player can understand and perform their duties and we will get enough opportunities to ensure that we can cash in on a few. With players less inclined to make individual efforts or elaborate plays due to bruising in the back of the skull, we won't have to worry about regaining the zone or giving up short handed chances to the opposition any more.

Great post but umm... will bruising to the back of the skull fix the fanning and missing open nets syndrome? ;)

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Great post but umm... will bruising to the back of the skull fix the fanning and missing open nets syndrome? ;)

Considering we are missing the net when in a normal state of mind, a little dizziness may correct that problem. :lol:

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Considering we are missing the net when in a normal state of mind, a little dizziness may correct that problem. :lol:

"...and Higgins wildly swats another puck into the net." :lol:

"I am not even sure if he realized that he has just notched a new career high in goals!"

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We need a better powerplay, plain and simple.

With out a decent PP, they will continue to run/slash/stick/interfer us..

We are too small of a team not to have a decent pp..

If it doesnt pick up. We are not going to win

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Sheldon Souray :(

Mark Streit :(

..next question..

The PP started going south in last year's playoffs, has nothing to do with Streit.

Bruins scouting cracked our system, and beat it. The word got out and that system is now dead. They took too long to develop a new system and now they have no confidence.

Notice how the best PP effort against Washington was by the 4th line. They have no confidence issues, they're just having fun.

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too much passing not enough shooting

Over the past 2 seasons the key was to set someone up, let them shoot which would cause one of the following to happen

a) the puck went into the net

B) the puck would be knocked down by the goalie which =rebound or would go wide of the net but bounce back to someone who was down low which lead to a goal (Ryder being parked by the goalies right side in his hey day in montreal comes to mind when i think of this one)

c) miss the net completly but would bounce to someone else on the team and we would recycle the play and try again.

Lets not fool ourselves Mark Streit did not have a big shot last year but he was able to get the puck on net. This year we are taking too much time trying to make that perfect pass, that highlight reel play instead of just shooting the puck and getting in the goalies face. There are times i see us go to shoot but we hesitate and then defender drops to the ice to block the shot. Stop hesitating and shoot! so what if you hit the guy going down to the ice. Do a few more times and he will stop going down to block the short or he will be too sore to even bother ;)

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