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I was sitting here thinking about the upcoming draft and realized outside of Desharnais (sp?) and to a lesser extent Maxwell, the habs really dont have any potential scorers in their system. Then I remembered being really excited about this kid as a project when we signed him in the offseason, but I have yet to hear anything at all about him so far, does anyone know how he is progressing. I saw from a couple months back 7gp 5g 1a in the SEL im not sure how those stats are for that league.

If anyone has heard anything I would be very intrigued to hear about it!

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Andreas Engqvist Djurgården GP 35, G 8, A 7, Pt 15, PPG 4, PIM 22, +/- +5, TOI 16:37, Shots 48

tables don't line-up on this board, but here's how he looks compared to the rest of the team... Twilightzone would probably know how he's actually playing...

Player Team POS GP G A PIM +/- TOI/GP TP

1 Marcus Krüger DIF LW 30 9 18 10 13 17:07 27

2 Marcus Nilson DIF RW 33 12 11 24 1 18:25 23

3 Kyle Klubertanz DIF LD 35 7 11 20 2 21:48 18

4 Andreas Holmqvist DIF RD 34 2 15 30 11 22:20 17

5 Jimmie Ölvestad DIF RW 31 9 7 18 8 16:55 16

6 Timmy Pettersson DIF LD 35 2 14 32 -2 17:42 16

7 Andreas Engqvist DIF CE 35 8 7 22 5 16:37 15

8 Nicklas Danielsson DIF LW 35 8 5 16 4 13:17 13

9 Marcus Ragnarsson DIF RD 30 3 10 40 7 23:59 13

10 Nichlas Falk DIF RD 35 1 12 18 2 16:42 13

11 Jacob Josefson DIF RW 25 4 7 14 7 15:25 11

12 Michael Holmqvist DIF CE 34 6 4 14 -7 9:38 10

13 Christian Eklund DIF LW 34 4 6 28 4 13:26 10

14 Tim Eriksson DIF LW 35 3 7 18 -1 12:30 10

15 Patrick Cehlin DIF RW 34 4 4 8 -2 9:12 8

16 Kristofer Ottosson DIF CE 21 5 2 14 -1 19:36 7

17 Mike Zigomanis DIF RW 14 1 5 4 0 16:06 6

18 David Printz DIF LD 35 2 3 49 1 18:25 5

19 Henrik Eriksson DIF RW 28 0 4 6 2 6:24 4

20 Mika Hannula DIF RW 4 2 1 0 1 12:25 3

21 Daniel Brodin DIF RW 14 2 1 8 -3 8:22 3

22 Mathias Tjärnqvist DIF RW 11 1 1 2 1 15:25 2

23 Alexander Deilert DIF RD 12 0 1 0 -4 10:37 1

24 Oscar Eklund DIF RD 33 0 1 18 3 8:59 1

25 Arvid Strömberg DIF LD 1 0 0 0 0 3:31 0

26 John Norman DIF LW 2 0 0 0 -2 2:34 0

27 Niklas Andersson DIF LD 7 0 0 0 0 0:09 0

28 Carl Gustafsson DIF LW 12 0 0 0 -1 2:33 0

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I was sitting here thinking about the upcoming draft and realized outside of Desharnais (sp?) and to a lesser extent Maxwell, the habs really dont have any potential scorers in their system. Then I remembered being really excited about this kid as a project when we signed him in the offseason, but I have yet to hear anything at all about him so far, does anyone know how he is progressing. I saw from a couple months back 7gp 5g 1a in the SEL im not sure how those stats are for that league.

If anyone has heard anything I would be very intrigued to hear about it!

Thanks.

Andrew is currently on a six game point-scoring streak (7 pts.) and is coming off his third 2-point game of the year.

As of last night, AE has amassed 21 points (10G, 11A) in 40 SEL contests so far this season with a +5 rating and 24 PIMs.

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Considering poor old Andrew has been a Habs forum afterthought for almost two months now, I thought someone had to chime in on a young, talented forward prospect who could end up being a training camp wild card come September.

He's young (22), big (6'3",200) and is coming off a breakout season in the SEL, where he tallied an impressive 26 pts in 55 regular season matches, before taking his game to a whole new level in the playoffs, where he notched 13 pts in 16 contests, helping propel D-Garden to the Swedish league finals.

He's still young and has room to grow, but at 22, and with a couple of years of pro hockey under his belt, he is much further along than some of our other forward prospects.

Interesting Note: Montreal recently inked Yankee D-Man Kyle Klubertanz to a one year FA contract. FYI, Double K was not only a former Ducks third rounder (2004) but was a teammate of AE last season on D-Garden, where he led the team in points by a rearguard.

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Considering poor old Andrew has been a Habs forum afterthought for almost two months now, I thought someone had to chime in on a young, talented forward prospect who could end up being a training camp wild card come September.

He's young (22), big (6'3",200) and is coming off a breakout season in the SEL, where he tallied an impressive 26 pts in 55 regular season matches, before taking his game to a whole new level in the playoffs, where he notched 13 pts in 16 contests, helping propel D-Garden to the Swedish league finals.

He's still young and has room to grow, but at 22, and with a couple of years of pro hockey under his belt, he is much further along than some of our other forward prospects.

Interesting Note: Montreal recently inked Yankee D-Man Kyle Klubertanz to a one year FA contract. FYI, Double K was not only a former Ducks third rounder (2004) but was a teammate of AE last season on D-Garden, where he led the team in points by a rearguard.

Would seem like a good move - two "imports" from the same place are each other's "support network" in the big scary world of the Montreal organisation. Perhaps they are looking at offering Engqvist a 'Dogs callup?

Any idea what he might be earning in Sweden?

Either that, or the recently-overhauled scouting regime is looking to get noticed :D

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Would seem like a good move - two "imports" from the same place are each other's "support network" in the big scary world of the Montreal organisation. Perhaps they are looking at offering Engqvist a 'Dogs callup?

Any idea what he might be earning in Sweden?

Either that, or the recently-overhauled scouting regime is looking to get noticed :D

Not sure on the exact details on the contract for Engqvist but assume its an entry level two way contract (2 years left) that Montreal gave him.

Think I read somewhere that he is willing to go to the Hamilton Bulldogs if not making the team from the camp right away (wich i think he has a good chance of doing).

Many speak about Eller but in my opinion AE is equal or maybe even further along right now in his development. Hard to say for me becouse I didnt see Eller to much last year. AE however had a very good year so the race is on between these two. Eller is faster and AE is better two way and has a more wicked wrist (really good one and should suit him well in NHL wich is easier to get closer to the net) shot imo.

Due to the trade with Halak I belive the organization is going to favour Eller (right or wrong, thats how these things goes in many bigger clubs).

It isnt all that clear that Eller is the better one at this point, should be a fun camp comming up in the fall.

Go and get em Tiger :)

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I truly know pitifully little about Euro-leagues. I realise that they are typically low scoring, as such his totals may not be half bad. Also, those playoff numbers are great for any league!

What is a realistic expectation/ceiling for this player? Can we hope for 2nd line? Is 3rd realistic (pending Defensive play that is) or is NHL a longshot at this point? It would be exciting to have several legitamate prospects in hamilton (Patches/Avitsyn/Desharnais/Trotter/Kristo+Leblanc eventually/Shultz) as wella s young players battling to break out in Montreal, gives us some hope!

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I truly know pitifully little about Euro-leagues. I realise that they are typically low scoring, as such his totals may not be half bad. Also, those playoff numbers are great for any league!

What is a realistic expectation/ceiling for this player? Can we hope for 2nd line? Is 3rd realistic (pending Defensive play that is) or is NHL a longshot at this point? It would be exciting to have several legitamate prospects in hamilton (Patches/Avitsyn/Desharnais/Trotter/Kristo+Leblanc eventually/Shultz) as wella s young players battling to break out in Montreal, gives us some hope!

As far as Euro-scoring (SEL in particular) is concerned, here's a few hard facts:

1) Compared to the NHL, point totals are lower right across the board.

2) The SEL regular season is only 55 games in length.

3) A point-a-game pace makes you an All-Star, if not a Hall-of-Famer.

As far as a "ceiling" for AE, I'm really not quite sure, although I am certain he will make the NHL.

Size, skill and desire are the three big prerequisites in my book, and he's got 'em all.

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As far as Euro-scoring (SEL in particular) is concerned, here's a few hard facts:

1) Compared to the NHL, point totals are lower right across the board.

2) The SEL regular season is only 55 games in length.

3) A point-a-game pace makes you an All-Star, if not a Hall-of-Famer.

As far as a "ceiling" for AE, I'm really not quite sure, although I am certain he will make the NHL.

Size, skill and desire are the three big prerequisites in my book, and he's got 'em all.

Great, thanks.

What's the competition like? I could not be lazy and go look up stats at imports, but I am guessing the transition can be a painful one?

It is very reassuring to hear that the NHL is a strong possibility. Competition from him and Eller to make one of Gomez/Plek un-needed and tradeable would be a huge asset.

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Great, thanks.

What's the competition like? I could not be lazy and go look up stats at imports, but I am guessing the transition can be a painful one?

It is very reassuring to hear that the NHL is a strong possibility. Competition from him and Eller to make one of Gomez/Plek un-needed and tradeable would be a huge asset.

Don't get to carried away these guys have to earn a spot on the Habs first and there will be lots of competition for every position for the first time in what 17 years? Gomez and Plekanec have earned their positions and I don't expect anyone to usurp either one of the top center spots, unless one of them are injured.

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Don't get to carried away these guys have to earn a spot on the Habs first and there will be lots of competition for every position for the first time in what 17 years? Gomez and Plekanec have earned their positions and I don't expect anyone to usurp either one of the top center spots, unless one of them are injured.

Agreed. A guy like Engvist is not going to come and steal Pleks or Gomez's job away. We have had a lot of trouble patching up our center position when one of our top two guys (Koivu for the most part over the past few years) has gone down. I don't think the Habs are going to send one of those guys packing now that we finally have two legitimate veteran centers. I don't think either one is a superstar, but they are both solid, and having a guy like Eller or Engvist or Maxwell or Desharnais take over a top-two line is putting a lot of pressure on, especially when you know two of the top 4 wingers are likely to be AK and Pouliot, two guys who are not going to carry those lines either.

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Totally in agreement too lads.

I just started hypin' this kid a couple of days ago because the poor guy hadn't got a post in his thread since May despite his presence at the recent dev-camp.

Obviously, everyone agrees that Gomez and Plekanecs are the top two centres, but with Metropolit and Moore gone and Lapierre possibly moving to wing, that leaves two open spots, three if you count the black aces, which always includes a centreman.

So with three potential spots open, who are the contenders and who are the pretenders?

While the recent re-signing of Lapierre guarantees Montreal another year of his patented shift-disturbing style of play, there is no guarantee that he will line up at centre as he did last season.

Laps would have to be the official front runner for one of the two remaining starting spots, but the Habs braintrust may move him to the wing if they feel they can inject a more offensively talented prospect down the middle. Lapierre's meager 14 points in 76 games last year, combined with a -14 rating, may precipitate just such a move.

If then, hypothetically, Laps was moved to wing and three spots were made available, who would fill those skates.

Pyatt, Pouliot and recently-acquired Dustin Boyd can and have played centre, but I'm talking prospects here.

Ben Maxwell would have to be considered top of the list, not only because of his pedigree ('06 2nd Rd.) and experience (2 full AHL seasons with call-ups) but also because management kept him with the big club during last year's playoff drive, a sure sign they have something in store for him.

If I was a gamblin' man, I'd have to put my money on Eller to snag the final starting spot, although he'll need to have a good camp to fend off the competition in what should be a hotly-contested battle at the faceoff circle.

With Maxy and the "EL" train playing most nights, the final spot comes down to a game of musical chairs between three talented but completely different players who will vie for the privilege of watching the game from the pressbox on a regular basis.

My number 1 candidate is Ryan White, who has paid his dues with two full years on the farm and looks like he's ready to make the jump.

Drafted right after Ben Maxwell ('06 3rd Rd.), White has limited offensive upside but makes up for it with a gritty, heads-up, high energy style of play that would fit his expected role and would help improve Montreal's lack of strength and size up front.

FYI: White and recently-acquired Ian Schultz both captained the Calgary Hitmen during their respective junior careers.

My number 2 candidate is Andreas Engqvist (you knew he was going to appear at some point), the lanky Swede and official darkhorse in the race.

Signed as a FA just over a year ago, AE played last season in the SEL, where he posted career highs in all regular season stats and then followed it up with an incredible playoff performance (13 pts in 16 gms). Montreal is so high on this kid that they allowed him to modify his original three year deal to play one final season at home, and then recently signed one of his Djurgardens teammates from last year (Kyle Klubertanz) to help in his transition to North America. If AE doesn't make the Habs right away, I guarantee they'll pair him with Kyle in Hamilton.

My number 3 candidate is tiny but talented David Desharnais, the local favourite who despite his small stature (5'7" on a good day) has proven he can score at any level in any league.

In his final two seasons in junior, he amassed 226 regular season points (124 gms) for Chicoutimi.

In his first full pro season, he set the ECHL all-time record for points in both the regular season (106) and playoffs (33).

Last year in Hamilton, he led the team in regular season and playoff scoring en route to setting the all-time franchise record for points in a season (78).

Simply put, this kid produces. But the question remains, can he do it at the next level?

And more importantly, can Montreal afford to dress another vertically challenged centreman in an already undersized group of forwards?

So, to make a short story long, that's my take on Engqvist.

He's flying under the radar still, but you can't count him out.

And besides, at least now the kid's got some press.

Nine posts in the last four days ain't bad considering he was persona non grata since May 19th.

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I truly know pitifully little about Euro-leagues. I realise that they are typically low scoring, as such his totals may not be half bad. Also, those playoff numbers are great for any league!

What is a realistic expectation/ceiling for this player? Can we hope for 2nd line? Is 3rd realistic (pending Defensive play that is) or is NHL a longshot at this point? It would be exciting to have several legitamate prospects in hamilton (Patches/Avitsyn/Desharnais/Trotter/Kristo+Leblanc eventually/Shultz) as wella s young players battling to break out in Montreal, gives us some hope!

When it comes to the lower scoring/points in SEL in particular its due to the fact of that our hockey is more "organised" and more targeted towards two way style of play.

Here in Sweden its more common that a player is educated in both off and def compared to say for ex Russians forwards in KHL (dont focus on defence until late teens or thereabouts). They focus much more on honing their offensive skills.

The finish league is more like the KHL in style to really (offensive minded but sometimes lacking in the defensive thought).

The ice surface is much bigger over here to so that changes the game on its own in some respects. And of course SEL and other Euro-Leauges have a shorter season (that Flunky already pointed out).

Back in the early 90's SEL was so foucused on systems that offensive players almost didnt get any sort of freedom to "create" and do their thing. This has changed the last 15 years or so but the focus is still on how you "control the game" and the pace for it to chocke/overwhelm you opponant down (depending on need and tactics deployed by the other team) and pay dearly for any defensively misstakes.

Lately there is more freedom for crativity but I have a feeling on that SEL will never be a league for pure offensive, its just that many leadingg hockey people likes a allround player more than a specialist (although there are of course exceptions in every team nowdays). The thought is that a highly educated player that can do "everything" (PP to Pk) is the way to win in the long run. Frankly a all offensive minded team wouldnt survive in the SEL at all. Well perhaps an Allstar team would but nobody can have that ;)

So in order to stay in the SEL and not get regelated you have to know how to defend and attack, not just one or the other.

When it comes to Andreas Engqvist's "ceiling" its kind of hard to say, the guy have had a steady rising two way game for the last 3 years now and last year was really a good year. If this is as high as he goes? No one knows. He is one of those players that seems to go under the radar all the time (not drafted for ex) and still pops up and make you go...wow where did he come from kind of thing. A late bloomer if you like, but he is only 22 so not really a late blommer either.

My gues to his potential is 3rd or maybe 2nd line center/winger (played winger on national team in this years WC for ex). It comes down to how he adapts and I must say this is a player that thrives in a structured game.

He likes to control down the middle and have the game in front of him to make good decsisions both offensively and defensively. Not afraid of going into the coners and do some bordwork either (could improve his puckprotecting a bit more imo, not bad but to rise his game). A very sound player imo, maybe not as exciting to watch as Eller at times but highly effective and he can explode offensively. Always skates and works hard but not all that physical.

Like a guy you want beside you and you know he is solid in every aspect of the game but not a superstar in the making.

I would love to see how he fares in NHL and think he will do good (if NJ was the team...my oh my what a fit for this guy!). His wrist shot is something I would like to see on smaller rinks to, that may be his biggest asset down the road for making a more important role on a NHL team down the future (all depends on what role/chance you want to give him). Not sure but it looked like he was stronger this year compared to last and more muscle on this boy and he could be really effective so the potential is cleary there, lets see where he will go with it.

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The board wouldnt let me do an edit. Dont forget that SEL and other Euro leagues are for veterans. This is a mans game and for a youngster to make it, it takes some adapting and good patience.

How would you compare the level of play between European major-league hockey and the AHL?

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How would you compare the level of play between European major-league hockey and the AHL?

Mathradio not exactly sure on waht you're asking. Is it how they differ from oneanother in style you're after maybe ?

To generalize AHL is more focused on details (like faceoff's for ex) and Euro leagues (depending on what league you mean, they differ to in some aspects), but the common thing in Euro hockey is that you can say they are more focused on tactics and skill compared to AHL. Tactical knowledge and skill will let you have a career as a pro, while in AHL you may say phisicality and the focus around the two goals is letting you have a career there.

Again I stress that this is generalizing. AHL can be good for some players from overseas (Europe) to aclamitize your game to the NA way of style.

Some have a hard time to get into the faster (in some areas, slower in others) style for the smaller rinks and the same for bigger ones.

The ice surface initself changes the ganme. For ex a defender on big ice needs to be much more mobile and aware of the dangers for his decisions on another level.

Then again on a smaler surface you might benefit more from beeing big and strong as a defender to clear the net and dont have to worry about the long way you may have to the danger area if a misstake is made along the boards.

Lidström is a prime ex of this, he seldom has to chek his apponant but rather closes in on him and pokecheck him and steer him towards a thight spot.

Johm Leclair is a prime ex for a big man with a nasty wrist shot that benefited on a smaller rink (comes closer to the net than on a big surface and faster too).

Wich helped his accuracy and power (the man was a great player dont missunderstand me here).

Some things just go along better on smal/big ice. It warrys from players to players to, some that look fitted for small ice might actually be more tactical in their style of play and therefore benefit on the bigger ice, contrrary to what some would've belived.

Your style and mindset is what determents how you execute your skillset and how you can adapt to a new enviorment (play inteligence).

If you are after the competivness and overall skill, then sufice to say AHL isnt among the 5 best leagues in the world imo. That doesnt mean its a bad league, just that it is very NA in its way compared to Euro leagues where often a allround player is more preferd to a specialist (pending on role and skill of course).

I remember Souray's first training pass in the lockout year...ha ha ha the man was so beat!

He wasnt used to the bigger icesurface and it took him a while to get there, the same thing can be true revesed. Anyway Souray ended up beeing rather good (when he didnt move from the front of the net and let his partner take care of that. His point shot became feared over here to, a real bang of a slapshot and a good guy really.

Hope this helped you, peace.

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That's all the info I wanted.

So Engqvist should play a few months (or an entire season) in the AHL or so before he could be ready to play as a Hab, if only to get used to the smaller rink. Unless he adapts ill to the North American hockey style and/or gets injured in the AHL, there is no reason for him not to perform at the AHL level.

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Thanks a bunch Twillightzone.

I had no idea about the structure that went into game play in European leagues. That being said, I should have inferred it! Looking at all the other sports played, they all seem to exemplify team play over individual skill. Very interesting!

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The board wouldnt let me do an edit. Dont forget that SEL and other Euro leagues are for veterans. This is a mans game and for a youngster to make it, it takes some adapting and good patience.

Thanks for your in depth on the difference in league play,etc very informative indeed. It's nice to read about it from an unbiased source with good knowledge of each league, thanks again.

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From canadiens website:

The other Andre: Andreas Engqvist thrilled the crowd by notching the shootout clincher, but the big Swede has bigger plans.

“Leaving Europe is something I wanted to do because playing in the NHL has always been my dream. I’ll do whatever it takes to get there,” vowed the 6-foot-4 center, who also chipped in with an assist. “I’ll play in Hamilton if I have to and besides the AHL is the closest you can get to the NHL. It will be a good way for me to learn the North American game, too.”

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