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I would sign Kovy if we already had one of the PK centers that Bigted is talking about. I knew we shouldn't have let go of Halpern! John Madden is still available he might be a option. That is our main priority for the forwards, our main priority on defense is a top 4 RH shutdown D man. Hannan is good but he is left handed. So a trade is very likely if PG wants to fill the priority on D.

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The argument I used against Kovalev before is the special teams distribution of players. As it stands, JM has 3-4 D men who can play the point on the PP and so really only needs to use 6 forwards. If one signs Kovy with the intent of playing him on the PP, then who doesn't play there? It's already a log jam, with Pleks, Gomez, Gio, and Cammy almost guaranteed spots there to start the year, Cole, AK, and Pacman vying for the power forward spots, and DD and maybe even Darche and Eller who can add something too.

You're looking at it from a standpoint of "must play" in those situations though. Why is gomez "guaranteed" to play there? What if he cant produce? Cole & AK have always struggled as PP players anyway.

On the PK side of things though, we have Moen as a specialist and after that, we're relying on guys who should be delivering offence to play the PK too. That means Pleks, DD, Gio, maybe Cammalleri... my theory has always been that if you find a way to limit the tiring PK work these guys have to do, they'll be able to give us more offensively.

Again, goes back to your argument that any of the players listed above "must" play on the PP. If Gomez loses his spot on the PP then there's no reason he couldnt become a PK specialist.

So whereas I can see the value of a guy like Kovy at even strength to boost the lines, the fact remains that we're not talking about being able to give him big minutes anyways and any contribution he makes at his age is going to be to the PP, where we don't have a need for him right now. I'd much rather use that roster spot for a guy who can contribute at the other end and save the quality offensive minutes for the guys we have in house already.

Its moot anyway, as he seems poised to sign in the KHL, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the AK27 Experiment V2.0 :)

I would sign Kovy if we already had one of the PK centers that Bigted is talking about. I knew we shouldn't have let go of Halpern! John Madden is still available he might be a option. That is our main priority for the forwards, our main priority on defense is a top 4 RH shutdown D man. Hannan is good but he is left handed. So a trade is very likely if PG wants to fill the priority on D.

I wouldnt be too worried. Every year we worry about who is going to take that spot & every year we seem to sign someone who plays great in that capacity. I doubt it will be madden or someone else looking for decent money. Most likely its going to be a dark horse sort of player who will make 750k and we will all fall in love with & say we must re-sign at this time next year when he's UFA again :)

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"In two seasons I still couldn't understand the ideas of our coach Cory Clouston," Kovalev told Sovetsky Sport in an article translated by Dmitry Chesnokov of Yahoo! Sports.

"It seemed that he scoffed at some players. You have to treat players kindly. If you leave someone on the bench, you should explain why it happened. This is coach's job. But when a player is benched and doesn't understand what is happening, he becomes lost."

Kovalev also criticized sportswriters in the nation's capital, saying they knew little about the game. "Ottawa journalists don't watch hockey at all," he explained to the paper. "When they fly with the team and go through the (metal detector) at an airport, their bags are filled with beer. You realize right away what these people do when they write about the NHL.

"Let them make up nonsense about me. But I am happy with what I have done. I have played not for myself but for the team and fans. Teammates have never said a bad word about me. Fans are happy. I am approached on the street in Montreal and New York and told one thing: 'Don't take the bad to your head. We always support and love you. You're the best.'" -TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373439

Oh Kovalev :lol:

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"In two seasons I still couldn't understand the ideas of our coach Cory Clouston," Kovalev told Sovetsky Sport in an article translated by Dmitry Chesnokov of Yahoo! Sports.

"It seemed that he scoffed at some players. You have to treat players kindly. If you leave someone on the bench, you should explain why it happened. This is coach's job. But when a player is benched and doesn't understand what is happening, he becomes lost."

Kovalev also criticized sportswriters in the nation's capital, saying they knew little about the game. "Ottawa journalists don't watch hockey at all," he explained to the paper. "When they fly with the team and go through the (metal detector) at an airport, their bags are filled with beer. You realize right away what these people do when they write about the NHL.

"Let them make up nonsense about me. But I am happy with what I have done. I have played not for myself but for the team and fans. Teammates have never said a bad word about me. Fans are happy. I am approached on the street in Montreal and New York and told one thing: 'Don't take the bad to your head. We always support and love you. You're the best.'" -TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373439

Oh Kovalev :lol:

WOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW just came to post this :lol:

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Kovy does not go quietly

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Alex Kovalev rips the media and formey Senators' coach Cory Clouston in a Russian interview … like the one in which he ripped Guy Carbonneau … which Kovy said was a fabricated conversation.

Right.

Sovetsky Sport: You have a reputation of showing up one night but disappearing the next. Is this a fair characterization?

Kovalev: One journalist wrote it when I was still playing in New York, and then it all started. There are such reporters, who don't watch hockey, don't understand it — but they will still say that Kovalev doesn't give his all. That he plays whenever he wants. They are short on their own opinion.

We at HIO are not short on this opinion: He's a dog.

Dog?....lol

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Kovi is wearing the C for his team and here's his first KHL goal :

I hope better success this season for him than he had last in Ottawa.

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Not sure how he under performed anything other than some people's unrealistic expectations. When we acquired him he had a long history of being a 60 or so point guy, his PPG actually went up after coming to Montreal and we gave him a contract commensurate with his production and he lived up to expectations.

First of all, his laziness was overstated but more importantly you pay players for what you expect their productivity to be, we knew what we were getting. If he was a 100+ point player we would have never gotten him. He'd have been a franchise superstar that played his whole career with 1 or 2 teams.

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Not sure how he under performed anything other than some people's unrealistic expectations. When we acquired him he had a long history of being a 60 or so point guy, his PPG actually went up after coming to Montreal and we gave him a contract commensurate with his production and he lived up to expectations.

First of all, his laziness was overstated but more importantly you pay players for what you expect their productivity to be, we knew what we were getting. If he was a 100+ point player we would have never gotten him. He'd have been a franchise superstar that played his whole career with 1 or 2 teams.

I don't understand how you can say his laziness was overstated.. He took shifts off.. and to say he performed when it mattered is silly.. he didn't do much in the playoffs.. you know who performed when it matter Halak.. that's what performing when it matters looks like. His 82 point season was nothing short of awesome don't get me wrong but he fell off after that season. This Kovalev that you speak of was with the Rangers and the pens for a couple of seasons.. if he was sooooo valuable like you're saying with corsby coming up Kovalev woulda been locked up with Crosby setting him up... but that didn't happen because as i said he took shifts off and was lazy.

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I don't understand how you can say his laziness was overstated.. He took shifts off.. and to say he performed when it mattered is silly.. he didn't do much in the playoffs.. you know who performed when it matter Halak.. that's what performing when it matters looks like. His 82 point season was nothing short of awesome don't get me wrong but he fell off after that season. This Kovalev that you speak of was with the Rangers and the pens for a couple of seasons.. if he was sooooo valuable like you're saying with corsby coming up Kovalev woulda been locked up with Crosby setting him up... but that didn't happen because as i said he took shifts off and was lazy.

Kovalev's Montreal stats

REG SEASON PLAYOFFS

Year Team League GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A PTS PIM

2003-04 Montreal Canadiens NHL 12 1 2 3 12 -4 11 6 4 10 8

2004-05 Kazan Ak-Bars RSL 35 10 13 23 80 4 0 0 0 8

2005-06 Montreal Canadiens NHL 69 23 42 65 76 -1 6 4 3 7 4

2006-07 Montreal Canadiens NHL 73 18 29 47 78 -19 -- -- -- -- --

2007-08 Montreal Canadiens NHL 82 35 49 84 70 18 12 5 6 11 8

2008-09 Montreal Canadiens NHL 78 26 39 65 74 -5 4 2 1 3 2

Kovy was pretty much on a point per game pace in the playoffs, to say he did nothing is purely ignorant, apart from 06/07, Kovy's point production was good enough, and whilst 07/08 was really good, the entire team dropped off in 08/09, so its not just a Kovalev thing.. Also, bringing up Halak is also a hell of a lot different, it was only after game 5 vs Washington that he showed up. He also fell apart against Philadelphia (I was very Pro Halak and I realise he didn't always show up in the playoffs). Kovalev's stats are very even over his entire career, it wasn't just with Pitts/Rangers, always had roughly the same regular seasons and fluttered at a p/pg in the playoffs. For Ottawa and Pittsburgh after he left Montreal, he dropped off

Here is Kovalevs NHL points

REG SEASON PLAYOFFS

GP G A PTS PIM GP G A PTS PIM

NHL Totals 1302 428 596 1024 1298 123 45 55 100 114

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2803

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I don't understand how you can say his laziness was overstated.. He took shifts off.. and to say he performed when it mattered is silly.. he didn't do much in the playoffs.. you know who performed when it matter Halak.. that's what performing when it matters looks like. His 82 point season was nothing short of awesome don't get me wrong but he fell off after that season. This Kovalev that you speak of was with the Rangers and the pens for a couple of seasons.. if he was sooooo valuable like you're saying with corsby coming up Kovalev woulda been locked up with Crosby setting him up... but that didn't happen because as i said he took shifts off and was lazy.

I feel like you're kind of missing my point. Taking shifts doesn't mean his laziness is or isn't overstated. I do think it's overstated by a small handful (like yourself) because he played a slow it down style, when it worked it looked fabulous but when it didn't, it looked terrible. Not to say that he didn't take shifts off but every player does. People act like he was a dog out there and I don't buy that. Either way I'm not going to get in an argument over semantics, whether or not he took of shifts and how many is kind of irrelevant to me, TBH. Let me put it this way, you don't pay a player so much based on how hard he works because what really matters is output, actual productivity, not just offensively either if that's what you think I'm implying but something tangibly useful on the ice. That's absolutely what matters at the end of the day especially in a capped league. If you and I got a job with a set quota that had to be met at the end of the week do you think our bosses would care if I arrived at the quota with 55% talent and 45% effort and you arrived at it with 80% effort and 20% talent?

I suppose to simply if it as much as possible. We signed Kovalev after a long history of being what he was, which was a 65 point player and he came and delivered about 65 points per 82 games for us so why people decide to be angry over getting what we knew we were signing up for still baffles me. If you want to make some kind of useless stand against people who produce their output with a heavier emphasis on talent and less actual perceived work ethic, go to the Bob Gainey thread and complain about him bringing that player in but the simple reality is, we signed up for a 65 point player and he came and delivered that.

As for your Crosby argument, it makes no sense. Pittsburgh traded Kovalev years before they won the draft lottery but the point you seem to be trying to make actually furthers what I'm saying, I said if he was the kind of superstar you imply he should have been we would have never gotten him, he would have never been a 65 point hired gun, he'd have been a 100 point franchise player that spent his entire career in New York. As it stands, he was our best forward over his 4 full seasons in Montreal, that was more symbolic of our team wide problems than him though.

As for you saying that he didn't show up in big games, I never said he did so I'm not sure why you'd include that in a reply to me but his numbers were strong in the playoffs, whether or not you want to acknowledge that is up to you but I don't really care. I think the whole big game thing is generally just crappy narratives dictated by small samples. Halak was this playoff monster because he was great from game 5 of Washington through game 7 in Pittsburgh? He had hot and cold streaks like that all year long, he was streaky. Does his weak series against Philly somehow prove he chokes when he gets to the conference finals? Kovalev, good playoff numbers but he was a good player, I'm not going to waste my time reading too deep into them and start calling him Mr. Clutch.

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I feel like you're kind of missing my point. Taking shifts doesn't mean his laziness is or isn't overstated. I do think it's overstated by a small handful (like yourself) because he played a slow it down style, when it worked it looked fabulous but when it didn't, it looked terrible. Not to say that he didn't take shifts off but every player does. People act like he was a dog out there and I don't buy that. E

Bingo. If you're not flying around like a chicken with your head cut off (ie White) then people think you're not working.

I use this analogy a lot when talking about this type of thing but once again i bring up our 1st unit PK from a few years back. Radek Bonk and Steven Begin. Begin flew all over the place, working non-stop while bonk was very cool, calm and in position on his side. Both were equally effective. They made a spectacular PK tandem. Was Begin somehow "better" because he worked up a greater sweat on the same shift? Of course not. They were both equally competent.

Kovy played "his style" and when it worked it was terrific. When it didnt, he wasnt, but then he never was Wayne Gretzky or something, stickhandling aside.

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Kovalev returns to Bell Centre Tuesday night

The Canadiens will be back in action Tuesday night when former Hab Alex Kovalev and the Florida Panthers visit the Bell Centre.

The Panthers signed the 39-year-old Kovalev to a one-year contract on Friday and he scored a goal and added two assists Saturday in a season-opening 5-1 win over the Carolina Hurricanes. Kovalev's linemate, 19-year-old Jonathan Huberdeau, also had a goal and two assists. The centre on their line is Peter Mueller, the eighth overall pick at the 2006 NHL entry draft, who picked up an assist.

"You can tell he's a talented kid," Kovalev told The Associated Press about Huberdeau, the No. 3 pick at the 2001 NHL draft. "He's really patient with the puck. He can hold on to it. Pretty strong on his feet and it's really fun to play with a player of that type. You know if you give it to him, you'll get the puck back. You're not worried about helping him out. He's strong enough to make the plays. That makes the job easier."

About himself, Kovalev said: "I can still stickhandle. I can still skate. I can still make plays. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here. I'd be wasting my time and someone else's time. I know I can match anybody in this locker room. I can still play this game. That's why I'm here."

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He better not get on the scoresheet vs the habs :P I hate his guts.Can't wait to boo him tomorrow night, I've been looking foward to it for a long time ;) Huberdeau is the one I'm worried about. He's one talented rookie.

Well I'm pulling for the Habs, so I also don't need to see Kovy on the scoresheet, but I don't understand why you would want to boo him. I can understand booing a guy like Komisarek (who turned his back on Montreal for Toronto), Grabovski (who trashed the organization in the papers), or Chara (who deliberately tried to kill one of our players). But Kovy loved Montreal and did good things for the city and for hockey here. He didn't leave by choice and he's always wanted to come back. It seems a little odd that you'd want to boo him.

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Well I'm pulling for the Habs, so I also don't need to see Kovy on the scoresheet, but I don't understand why you would want to boo him. I can understand booing a guy like Komisarek (who turned his back on Montreal for Toronto), Grabovski (who trashed the organization in the papers), or Chara (who deliberately tried to kill one of our players). But Kovy loved Montreal and did good things for the city and for hockey here. He didn't leave by choice and he's always wanted to come back. It seems a little odd that you'd want to boo him.

+1. He was certainly frustrating at times, but I loved watching him here and he's still one of my favourite players. I wish him a successful season, exclusive of tonight ;)

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