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Exactly, we did not trade fischer we traded the pick. Milan Lucic was picked 50thoverall in 2006. You wouldn't trade Lucic and a the 5th rounder for Wis. The logic doesnt stand. Your trading the pick not fisher and it may or maynot work out.

Just think though we took Ben Maxwell just before Lucic at 49th, how good would Lucic Look patrolling the wing for the Gonez and Gionta.

Knowing that makes me very upset...

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Not that I disagree that it was a pretty fair trade but I just don't understand the logic in "it was basically David Fischer and a 5th for Wisniewski. The fact that the 2nd came from David Fischer is basically irrelevant IMO, it doesn't diminish the value of the asset (50th overall pick). I suppose it's like found money and thus a little bit easier to let go in the grand scheme of things but it's more than just David Fischer and a 5th for Wis. That 2nd rounder could have turned into a player for us going forward.

I guess that's true, but regardless I still think a 2nd and a 5th is a pretty solid deal for a top 4 D-man with offensive upside and a good physical edge.

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Really impressed with this guy so far... From his 1t game he jumped right in and skated hard. We shouldn't expect this every night, but if he keeps it up, he'll earn himself a nice contract next summer. I doubt that he'll be playing with the Habs next season (cap issues and still have to figure out what to do with Markov).

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Really impressed with this guy so far... From his 1t game he jumped right in and skated hard. We shouldn't expect this every night, but if he keeps it up, he'll earn himself a nice contract next summer. I doubt that he'll be playing with the Habs next season (cap issues and still have to figure out what to do with Markov).

Actually FS,,,if we really want him, its doable with both Hammer and Gills money comming off the books.Another good thing about the trade is we have negotiating rights till July. We have the money available if we want to throw it in his direction.

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“The crowd seemed to be really into that game on Sunday. I’ve heard that weekday games are even crazier, so I can’t wait to see that,” admitted the Canadiens’ newest acquisition after practicing in front of a packed house at the Bell Sports Complex in Brossard. “It was incredible – it almost felt like a game in Long Island. There were what, 500 people? It was really exciting to see.

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Sounds like he wanted out of the LI

I don't blame him... The Isles ownership is running this once great club into the ground and Snow keeps making bonehead moves.

Snow is still trying to prove how much of a genius he is for drafting Dipietro by playing him... It's time to admit he screwed up by over-paying him and signing him to such a long contract. He's a good goalie when healthy, but that doesn't happen very often... He's hurt again... Big surprise, it's his knee.

I use to hate the Isles in the 80's cos they were so good. They use to be a dynasty, now they're just a joke.

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I don't blame him... The Isles ownership is running this once great club into the ground and Snow keeps making bonehead moves.

Snow is still trying to prove how much of a genius he is for drafting Dipietro by playing him... It's time to admit he screwed up by over-paying him and signing him to such a long contract. He's a good goalie when healthy, but that doesn't happen very often... He's hurt again... Big surprise, it's his knee.

I use to hate the Isles in the 80's cos they were so good. They use to be a dynasty, now they're just a joke.

Yup, Wang is a big problem too. I mean they have potential they beat us the pens and the wings all in a row.

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Wisniewski plays hockey with his heart on his sleeve. I loved him when he played in Anaheim. Tough guy. On one of his first games played for my Ducks he was hospitalized with a brused lung from a hard hit and came back 3 days later to play hockey. He is an agitator and will get himself in trouble from time to time but he will always play hard. Very entertaining personality and should spark your team. Enjoy.

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I don't blame him... The Isles ownership is running this once great club into the ground and Snow keeps making bonehead moves.

Snow is still trying to prove how much of a genius he is for drafting Dipietro by playing him... It's time to admit he screwed up by over-paying him and signing him to such a long contract. He's a good goalie when healthy, but that doesn't happen very often... He's hurt again... Big surprise, it's his knee.

I use to hate the Isles in the 80's cos they were so good. They use to be a dynasty, now they're just a joke.

Snow didn't draft Dipietro. In fact, Snow was still one of the Islander goalies after Dipietro broke into the league. I am not even sure it was Snow who gave Dipietro that ridiculous contract.

Would definitely like to re-sign Wisniewski next year if the dollars and term are right.

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Snow didn't draft Dipietro. In fact, Snow was still one of the Islander goalies after Dipietro broke into the league. I am not even sure it was Snow who gave Dipietro that ridiculous contract.

Would definitely like to re-sign Wisniewski next year if the dollars and term are right.

Doing a quick Google search on that it seems Snow was part of the management team that was negotiating with Dipietro's agent on that ugly deal. No idea if Wang was involved or who's decision it was, though.

With that said, Wisniewski sure would be welcome here. I feel like he fills the role that Mark Streit did when he was here.

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Snow didn't draft Dipietro. In fact, Snow was still one of the Islander goalies after Dipietro broke into the league. I am not even sure it was Snow who gave Dipietro that ridiculous contract.

Would definitely like to re-sign Wisniewski next year if the dollars and term are right.

Agree on the re-signing part.

Wasn't it Milbury who gave Dipietro the contract?

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Doing a quick Google search on that it seems Snow was part of the management team that was negotiating with Dipietro's agent on that ugly deal. No idea if Wang was involved or who's decision it was, though.

Thanks for that JR. Given how unhealthily involved Wang has been, historically, in personnel decisions, I doubt that the management team was solely responsible for giving Dipietro that awful contract.

In any case, my original point was that Snow didn't draft Dipietro. He was still a player, not the Islanders' GM, at the time Dipietro was drafted.

With that said, Wisniewski sure would be welcome here. I feel like he fills the role that Mark Streit did when he was here.

Yes, except that he's bigger, stronger, more physical, and a few years younger. I'd love to get him squared away to a three-year deal for reasonable dollars. It would be nice not to have to worry about who's manning the right PP point for a few seasons. We haven't had any long-term stability at that position since Souray left.

Wasn't it Milbury who gave Dipietro the contract?

Possibly, although I may be confusing Milbury giving Dipietro that crazy contract with Milbury giving Alexei Yashin a similarly awful 10-year deal which they later had to buy out.

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Wasn't it Milbury who gave Dipietro the contract?

Not on paper at least. He stepped down as GM that summer (2006) and Dipietro got the contract in September. Im sure Milbury had some part in the early negotiations - you dont come to a ridiculous contract like that over night, but its entirely possible one of the reasons he stepped down was the insanity of the deal.

In a franchise known for ridiculous moves though, I dont think that dipietro is even close to the worst. This franchise has traded away an all-star roster in the last decade - Chara, Redden, Berard, Brewer, Kasparaitis, McCabe, Luongo, Salo, Jokinen, Bertuzzi, Connolly etc.

And now they let us have the Wiz!

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Not on paper at least. He stepped down as GM that summer (2006) and Dipietro got the contract in September. Im sure Milbury had some part in the early negotiations - you dont come to a ridiculous contract like that over night, but its entirely possible one of the reasons he stepped down was the insanity of the deal.

In a franchise known for ridiculous moves though, I dont think that dipietro is even close to the worst. This franchise has traded away an all-star roster in the last decade - Chara, Redden, Berard, Brewer, Kasparaitis, McCabe, Luongo, Salo, Jokinen, Bertuzzi, Connolly etc.

And now they let us have the Wiz!

That's very sad for Islander fans if there are still any. What a franchise they used to be.

Back on topic I say sign him to a 2-3 year contract if possible.

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Yes, except that he's bigger, stronger, more physical, and a few years younger. I'd love to get him squared away to a three-year deal for reasonable dollars. It would be nice not to have to worry about who's manning the right PP point for a few seasons. We haven't had any long-term stability at that position since Souray left.

First, just fyi, you and JR were both more or less correct with respect to Snow. He was the Gm when Dipietro was given the 15-year contract, although he had just started and I believe many felt that at that point he was mostly a puppet GM for Charles Wang. Milbury had originally drafted Dipietro as GM and was still around as an advisor to Snow when the large contract was awarded.

With respect to Wisniewski, I would also love to see him signed, but I would like to see him given a 4 or 5 year deal if the money is right. On the one hand, you hate to give out long-term deals that could come back to bite you but we're getting years in his prime, not leftover years like we did with many of our latest UFA signings. And adding years may cost us less on a per year basis. He is young, a good skater, makes a great first pass, and has as good a shot as we've had in a long time (I agree that that would be since Souray). He is definitely a more complete player than MAB or Streit. In terms of per year value, I would be willing to pay up to 4M a year, too much more would start to make me a bit nervous but I feel he may be able to top that a bit if he gets to the UFA market, so I'd want to try and sign him while we have exclusive negotiating rights and before he hits any kind of a slump where he sees the fickle side of Habs supporters. Your thoughts on what he's worth?

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First, just fyi, you and JR were both more or less correct with respect to Snow. He was the Gm when Dipietro was given the 15-year contract, although he had just started and I believe many felt that at that point he was mostly a puppet GM for Charles Wang. Milbury had originally drafted Dipietro as GM and was still around as an advisor to Snow when the large contract was awarded.

With respect to Wisniewski, I would also love to see him signed, but I would like to see him given a 4 or 5 year deal if the money is right. On the one hand, you hate to give out long-term deals that could come back to bite you but we're getting years in his prime, not leftover years like we did with many of our latest UFA signings. And adding years may cost us less on a per year basis. He is young, a good skater, makes a great first pass, and has as good a shot as we've had in a long time (I agree that that would be since Souray). He is definitely a more complete player than MAB or Streit. In terms of per year value, I would be willing to pay up to 4M a year, too much more would start to make me a bit nervous but I feel he may be able to top that a bit if he gets to the UFA market, so I'd want to try and sign him while we have exclusive negotiating rights and before he hits any kind of a slump where he sees the fickle side of Habs supporters. Your thoughts on what he's worth?

i'd rather it be at 3.2-3.6 per year. I don't think he's good enough for 4 million. Just under would make me happy though :P

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First, just fyi, you and JR were both more or less correct with respect to Snow. He was the Gm when Dipietro was given the 15-year contract, although he had just started and I believe many felt that at that point he was mostly a puppet GM for Charles Wang. Milbury had originally drafted Dipietro as GM and was still around as an advisor to Snow when the large contract was awarded.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

With respect to Wisniewski, I would also love to see him signed, but I would like to see him given a 4 or 5 year deal if the money is right. On the one hand, you hate to give out long-term deals that could come back to bite you but we're getting years in his prime, not leftover years like we did with many of our latest UFA signings. And adding years may cost us less on a per year basis. He is young, a good skater, makes a great first pass, and has as good a shot as we've had in a long time (I agree that that would be since Souray). He is definitely a more complete player than MAB or Streit. In terms of per year value, I would be willing to pay up to 4M a year, too much more would start to make me a bit nervous but I feel he may be able to top that a bit if he gets to the UFA market, so I'd want to try and sign him while we have exclusive negotiating rights and before he hits any kind of a slump where he sees the fickle side of Habs supporters. Your thoughts on what he's worth?

It's a good point about us buying up his prime years, but keep in mind that he's had quite a well-traveled NHL career thus far and there has to be a reason for that. I don't know that paying $5 million a year for 4-5 years is what I'd want for a 4th d-man who is mistake-prone in his own end (we haven't seen it yet but MAB looked great in his first few games with us too) and whom you can't really play in all situations. If we go up to four or five years, the annual cap hit should go down. In principle, I don't believe in handing out contracts of four years or more to players who don't form part of your core: you should always give yourself some flexibility to move players in and out based on changing needs or unforeseen circumstances (Markov's recent string of injuries being a key example of how team needs can change within the span of one year).

As far as Wisniewski being a more complete player than Streit, I'm not sure. Streit did very well with virtually no support in his first year as an Islander. Many including myself had pegged him as nothing more than a PP specialist but he has cast some doubt on that theory. That said, Streit was older at the time we let him walk, significantly older, so Wisniewski grabs some value back purely from being in his physical prime.

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