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If we're not willing to go to $4M then we're not going to get him IMO. He's going to expect a raise and at age 26-27 there is no reason to expect he can't maintain this level of play.

Haha I know. I'll be fine at 4m. But thats too much imo. As long as the habs keep playing i'll be fine

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Ah, thanks for the clarification.

It's a good point about us buying up his prime years, but keep in mind that he's had quite a well-traveled NHL career thus far and there has to be a reason for that. I don't know that paying $5 million a year for 4-5 years is what I'd want for a 4th d-man who is mistake-prone in his own end (we haven't seen it yet but MAB looked great in his first few games with us too) and whom you can't really play in all situations. If we go up to four or five years, the annual cap hit should go down. In principle, I don't believe in handing out contracts of four years or more to players who don't form part of your core: you should always give yourself some flexibility to move players in and out based on changing needs or unforeseen circumstances (Markov's recent string of injuries being a key example of how team needs can change within the span of one year).

As far as Wisniewski being a more complete player than Streit, I'm not sure. Streit did very well with virtually no support in his first year as an Islander. Many including myself had pegged him as nothing more than a PP specialist but he has cast some doubt on that theory. That said, Streit was older at the time we let him walk, significantly older, so Wisniewski grabs some value back purely from being in his physical prime.

I still believe Wis is a more complete player. He has shown a physical side in the past and he plays with more of an edge. He hasn't been terrible defensively from what I've seen so far. Streit did do a good job as a full-time defenseman with the Isles last year, but I would frankly rather have Wisniewski if I were building my team, and as we discussed, Wis is younger. I also hate giving out long-term deals but I want to get him locked up at the lowest cap hit possible and I'd like to keep him for those prime years.

If we're not willing to go to $4M then we're not going to get him IMO. He's going to expect a raise and at age 26-27 there is no reason to expect he can't maintain this level of play.

Exactly. If we gave Spacek that same 3.2-3.6 that was mentioned, then surely Wisniewski is worth more. If Streit is worth 4+ and Volchecnkov is worth 4+, then I think Wisniewski could easily get 4M on an open market. If we could lock him up for a small raise to 3.7-3.8, all the better but really anything 4M or under and I'll be satisfied. Obviously the cheaper the better but if we're not willing to be competitive for useful players in their prime, we're going to be stuck with Spacek, Hamrlik, and Gill again next year.

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I still believe Wis is a more complete player. He has shown a physical side in the past and he plays with more of an edge. He hasn't been terrible defensively from what I've seen so far. Streit did do a good job as a full-time defenseman with the Isles last year, but I would frankly rather have Wisniewski if I were building my team, and as we discussed, Wis is younger. I also hate giving out long-term deals but I want to get him locked up at the lowest cap hit possible and I'd like to keep him for those prime years.

Exactly. If we gave Spacek that same 3.2-3.6 that was mentioned, then surely Wisniewski is worth more. If Streit is worth 4+ and Volchecnkov is worth 4+, then I think Wisniewski could easily get 4M on an open market. If we could lock him up for a small raise to 3.7-3.8, all the better but really anything 4M or under and I'll be satisfied. Obviously the cheaper the better but if we're not willing to be competitive for useful players in their prime, we're going to be stuck with Spacek, Hamrlik, and Gill again next year.

I agree, we might have to pay more. Also i dont think spacek is worth that 3.2 - 3.6 million.

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Last night's game is evidence of why he's had such a well-traveled NHL career. He can be exploited defensively. Muller also needs to expand the PP toolbox, as teams are now just going to take away Wisniewski's point shot until and unless we can make them pay by taking advantage of the extra space down low.

I'd like to see Subban on the right side of Wisniewski on the PP. I think each will get more space with the other there. But yes, the forwards on the PP need to do more to create space. A lot of times they park themselves somewhere rather than attacking the box. The way I see it, we need to run our PP more like a basketball offence: have a guy drive pressure to the middle and then dish it out to find a man rotating to open space, while having players attack the net for rebounds.

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It's a good point about us buying up his prime years, but keep in mind that he's had quite a well-traveled NHL career thus far and there has to be a reason for that.

Weep, he's bounced around quite a bit but remember how young he is. The Wisniewski we're seeing right now - and the one we saw in NYI and even parts of last year in California - is quite a bit different than the Wisniewski I remember watching in Chicago. I believe that some time towards the end of his time in Anaheim he started to become more defensively responsible. Im not sure if it was playing with a solid defensive partner, coaching or simply maturation but there was a definite change - and as we've seen in both Long Island and here, that is translating into decent-to-solid work in his own end and very smart moves in the neutral zone and forward.

I still believe Wis is a more complete player. He has shown a physical side in the past and he plays with more of an edge. He hasn't been terrible defensively from what I've seen so far. Streit did do a good job as a full-time defenseman with the Isles last year, but I would frankly rather have Wisniewski if I were building my team, and as we discussed, Wis is younger.

Honestly, I see more of a comparison to Souray than Streit with Wisniewski - but with the obvious note that Wiz is considerably more defensively responsible due to better vision (i dont think Sheldon ever wanted to be a pilon, he just didnt have the on ice vision to keep up with faster attackers).

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Honestly, I see more of a comparison to Souray than Streit with Wisniewski - but with the obvious note that Wiz is considerably more defensively responsible due to better vision (i dont think Sheldon ever wanted to be a pilon, he just didnt have the on ice vision to keep up with faster attackers).

Wiz has stronger bones too.

Obviously Wisniewski is not a defensive master, but I think he brings enough to the table to be worthy of a decent contract. IMO he helps the team much more than he hurts it.

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Really nice to have the huge shot from the point. Several goals have been the result of the big shot.

Defensive play is not as good as I hoped. Not terrible. Just not as good as I hoped.

Playing for the NYI's certainly gives him some insight about carrying big expectations,and Pierre brought him to the Habs for his two-way game.When the Habs are healthy his game will improve in a hurry and its pretty good right now for the picks we gave up to get him.

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From Down Goes Brown (Leafs comedy Blog)

Montreal Canadiens

The good news: Carey Price has established himself as one of the best goaltenders in the league, so they should be able to get a couple of average prospects for him in the offseason.

The bad news: Sources say that recently acquired defenceman James Wisniewski has made the team's traditional off day games of charades increasingly awkward.

Worth mentioning: Are still trying to figure out how they can raise somebody's number to the rafters during the Heritage Classic game.

The road ahead: The trade deadline acquisition of Alexei Kovalev for a fifth round pick will probably seem like a good idea until they realize he now plays all his shifts wearing skate guards.

:lol:

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Weep, he's bounced around quite a bit but remember how young he is. The Wisniewski we're seeing right now - and the one we saw in NYI and even parts of last year in California - is quite a bit different than the Wisniewski I remember watching in Chicago. I believe that some time towards the end of his time in Anaheim he started to become more defensively responsible. Im not sure if it was playing with a solid defensive partner, coaching or simply maturation but there was a definite change - and as we've seen in both Long Island and here, that is translating into decent-to-solid work in his own end and very smart moves in the neutral zone and forward.

Honestly, I see more of a comparison to Souray than Streit with Wisniewski - but with the obvious note that Wiz is considerably more defensively responsible due to better vision (i dont think Sheldon ever wanted to be a pilon, he just didnt have the on ice vision to keep up with faster attackers).

I think perhaps a reason he bounced around a bit too had to do with attitude. This might be unfounded, but I thought I had read previously about it; that said, I also had read that he seemed to be maturing and coming into his own in Long Island.

I find it tough to compare him to anyone that we've had recently. He has the booming shot of a Souray but is a MUCH better skater and is far better in the transition game. Looking around the league, perhaps he's a bit of a "Shea Weber Lite". Offensive skills are pretty much on par, and he's physical, but defensively he's not quite as sound. I dunno, maybe I'm off. Either way, I like him. :P

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I think perhaps a reason he bounced around a bit too had to do with attitude. This might be unfounded, but I thought I had read previously about it; that said, I also had read that he seemed to be maturing and coming into his own in Long Island.

I find it tough to compare him to anyone that we've had recently. He has the booming shot of a Souray but is a MUCH better skater and is far better in the transition game. Looking around the league, perhaps he's a bit of a "Shea Weber Lite". Offensive skills are pretty much on par, and he's physical, but defensively he's not quite as sound. I dunno, maybe I'm off. Either way, I like him. :P

Realistically, he is getting good enough that soon we may not be comparing him to other defensemen,but other defensemen to him. Therefore, I don't care about who he plays like. But he has a very high point-per-game ratio and has been defensively responisble, so it works, whatever he does.

The only thing I really have a problem with is his descipline issues, but these concerns may unfounded. Only time will tell.

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I think perhaps a reason he bounced around a bit too had to do with attitude. This might be unfounded, but I thought I had read previously about it; that said, I also had read that he seemed to be maturing and coming into his own in Long Island.

I am not sure if that would be the reason or not...Chicago simply had no room, with seabrook, duncan keith, campbell and there cap situation. The Islanders, well i think they new they had to unload him because he was going to resign there, so they took what they could. Anaheim??? this has some flags a few suspensions and going to arbitration, I can see very good reason for two of the three, just a numbers games. The Anaheim one maybe because of the suspension and arbritaion, generally when you see players going this route they don't have long with that club.

Mostly though I think in a cap era unless you can establish yourself as a top two line forward or a top 3 or 4 deeman at a relatively early age your going to end up being moved at a much younger age.

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Interesting Streit comparison, the only X-factor that I think is the huge difference is the bark factor. Yup, I said bark factor, the Wiz has a physical edge to him and some of that American swagger that both Streit and Bergeron didnt have. I mention MAB because of this Bertran Raymond (cough cough) masterpiece:

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/313067.html

For those who dont read french, he's essentially saying that Wiz may be marginally better than MAB but is going to sign for ~4million this year, while MAB has to beg for food. The article is completely slanted obviously but he makes one good point MAB can score and nobody should ever take that away from him, there really is no excuse why a team like TB was the only one to approach him when several teams like Columbus, New Jersey, Islanders, Panthers and Blues could certainly use him as a PP specialist. I do think MAB has earned a one way contract at this point in his career.

Anyways, the Wiz is young, makes a good breakout pass, uses his entire frame and for my mind still improving, so he's clearly the better fit for the Habs.

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This guy is quickly turning into one of my favorite players for the Habs. Every time he touches the puck on the power play you know he's a threat to score. And because of this, opposing teams focus in on him, leaving his partner (has been Subban lately) wide open. In the latest game against the Rangers, Subban was able to make a beautiful pass to Pleks to lead to a goal, just because the Rangers were focusing on taking away Wisniewski's shot.

He may not be the best player in our zone, but who cares, that's not what he was hired for! His style is akin to that of Marc-Andre Bergeron, except that Wiz is much better on the PP and slightly better on defense. And honestly with all the injuries we have on defense this year, Wisniewski is far from being our worst option on defense.

From what Ducks and Blackhawks fans have to say, this is just the "honeymoon period" with Wisniewski and problems will arise later. However, Wiz sounds like he really enjoys playing in Montreal so hopefully his stay here will end differently than in Chicago or Anaheim, because I really like what he brings to our powerplay.

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