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The defense is also showing its true colours. Markov is a second-pairing guy who can't skate or hit. Gorges is a 4th d-man. Emelin doesn't belong in the top-four. Bouillon is an aging spare part. Diaz is a PP specialist. And the one top-two guy we have is playing with Bouillon and logging second-pairing minutes.

I agree, even when everyone was all hyped up about Markov...sure he's smart in the offensive zone, but he is a big liability on defense who makes a lot of costly turnovers.

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I agree, even when everyone was all hyped up about Markov...sure he's smart in the offensive zone, but he is a big liability on defense who makes a lot of costly turnovers.

I love Markov, he's a great guy and his ability with the puck is still a joy to behold, but he is in no way shape or form the player he was a few years ago. Part of that is injury, part of it age (he's 34). His skating is gone, completely -- he can't win a foot race with anyone and is therefore a big liability at the blueline if he loses contain on a puck (as he did tonight on Toronto's first goal). And as a result of the injuries, he's useless along the wall. He's still a good positional player, but he can't log 25+ good minutes a night and is probably moving towards the role of PP specialist in the next year or two.

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I love Markov, ............ and is probably moving towards the role of PP specialist in the next year or two.

What are we gonna do with that splendid asset that PG traded for = Kaberle :P

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meh Our D may not be the best, but our O is even worse. I'm sick of us trying to patch up our D while basically ignoring our O - it's been going on for over a decade now. Shift the focus for a change - the current focus on D hasn't worked since '93...

Honestly, the less you score, the more pressure their is on the defence.

This team isn't scoring. So far, Gionta, Pacman, Cole, Desharnais aren't producing enough.

Aside from Desharnais, the 3 others are 25-35 goals/season players. I don't understand how all 3 of them can't score.

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Honestly, the less you score, the more pressure their is on the defence.

This team isn't scoring. So far, Gionta, Pacman, Cole, Desharnais aren't producing enough.

Aside from Desharnais, the 3 others are 25-35 goals/season players. I don't understand how all 3 of them can't score.

Well Boston is tough to score on and we pumped 4 by Miller we just fell apart. Tonight/last night was a disaster. The team isn't that good so inconsistency is to be expected.

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Funny how when we did well, everyone was like "that's too small of a sample" and now it's one really ugly game and we throw the whole team overboard?

But yeah, this is the negative thread and yesterday was an ATROCITY. Getting lit up by the friggin' Leafs? Nightmare.

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Is it just me or are we (EDITED) every 2 on 1 situation? I mean there should be other ways to just take the shot. The guy with the puck could even stop to get a passing line. It just looks aweful every time we have such a situation. Apart from Gallagher I am not impressed with the shooting skills of most of the guys. I don't know if he is ready to step up but I would like to see him with a playmaker like Plekc on a top2line for few games.

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Funny how when we did well, everyone was like "that's too small of a sample" and now it's one really ugly game and we throw the whole team overboard?

Well, first of all, we've now lost three in a row, so it's not just one game. Second, when you finish 28th the year before, fans are going to need proof, not blind optimism, that you have turned the corner and are no longer that pitiful basement dweller. Until and unless the team shows me otherwise, I will continue to believe that we are a not-very-good team with flashes of strong play. Why should I think otherwise? I suffered through last year just like everyone else, and I'm not going to forget history. ;)

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east teams are tough, we are small, we have been bullied for yrs, about time to get the best enforcers out there in our organization, go get Macintyre and add brett gallant, at 185lbs he would embarrass allot including orr.Im pretty well sick of teams bullying the habs,

Well, first of all, we've now lost three in a row, so it's not just one game. Second, when you finish 28th the year before, fans are going to need proof, not blind optimism, that you have turned the corner and are no longer that pitiful basement dweller. Until and unless the team shows me otherwise, I will continue to believe that we are a not-very-good team with flashes of strong play. Why should I think otherwise? I suffered through last year just like everyone else, and I'm not going to forget history. ;)

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Tyorke, I am with you.

But bullying should go... It is written in another thread: punish serious fouls, do not let the monkeys in (yes, Grabovsky, mokeys bite each other!), and no fights = bullying is over. I would really wonder how Boston or Toronto would perform with constantly 3 or 4 players under suspension against the agile Habs who play with finesse. Not gonna see it though... :-/

I discussed it with some people today, and well, I have been a long term fan of the Habs, but the most beautiful hockey with passes, combinations and creativity is currently being played in the KHL. Minimum fights, no goalie pushing, really nice for the eye to see. Officiating is also a problem but the inconstistency of NHL refs is highly and negatively surprising for me... You should have seen Malkin, Kovalchuk and many others creating the beauty of the game in the wider rink.

NHL is faster and more aggressive, but overly aggressive :-(

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I don't think it has anything to do with toughness. Our "top" line is in a profound scoring drought, the same line that tore it up last season. So obviously it's not toughness. Similarly, our defense is weak. Nothing to do with toughness. When you blow coverage and let an enemy forward put in the rebound, when you give up two-on-ones, when you can't adjust your zone entries, you're getting outplayed, not outmuscled.

Toughness is super-overrated around here IMO.

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I don't think it has anything to do with toughness. Our "top" line is in a profound scoring drought, the same line that tore it up last season. So obviously it's not toughness. Similarly, our defense is weak. Nothing to do with toughness. When you blow coverage and let an enemy forward put in the rebound, when you give up two-on-ones, when you can't adjust your zone entries, you're getting outplayed, not outmuscled.

Toughness is super-overrated around here IMO.

Agreed we weren't beat soundly because were not tough enough. We didn't get beat soundly because Toronto is a "tough" team. They beat us from the moment the puck dropped to start the game both mentally & physically. We looked completely lost & disinterested & they took complete advantage of it. Were we still smarting from that last game, probably, but that's no excuse. Our transition game was non-existent. We just didn't show up.

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Have we been playing over our heads so far? Maybe. However I'm not going to exclaim "Oh goodness our season is over" either.

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Bob Gainey was great as a player but why oh why did he get rid of Ryan McDonaugh???

That bothers me so much.It must eat him alive!!

Reports came out last season that it was Gauthier behind getting rid of McDonagh because he didn't like what he saw in the one game he watched him play.

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One game?????? IMO it would take at least 10 games to evaluate a player,,,,,and BTW,,,,,where was TT on this?

I don't remember reading the one game part and even if it was reported it sounds dubious. Say what you will about Gauthier but he wasn't lazy, he traveled and saw players. I do remember a report that Gauthier was a large presence in the trade. There was a pretty common feeling at the time that McD had limited offensive potential and thus a pretty limited ceiling. Some people felt he hadn't developed as expected/hoped. Obviously in hindsight it was dead wrong but clearly the organization higher ups bought into that.

As for Timmins, his main role is amateur scouting. Not that they didn't consult his views on the player because of his development role but he wouldn't have final say on trades or anything like that.

Anyway, how much blame Gauthier gets or Gainey gets, it's largely irrelevant. At the end of the day Gainey was GM and it was his final call, he gets credit, good or bad. If he had incompetent people around him giving him bad advice, all the more reason to blame him. I do think both get a bit of a bad rap but it's clear their decision making in the last 3 years or so was deeply flawed.

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Bob Gainey was great as a player but why oh why did he get rid of Ryan McDonaugh???

That bothers me so much.It must eat him alive!!

I'm not much of a Gainey apologist but GM's have to get over those kinds of trades fast. The results were unspeakably bad but awful moves happen. Just like Gainey getting Gorges and the Pacioretty pick for Rivet. At the time it was a depth DMan and a late 1st in a weak draft, end result was fantastic. At the time we didn't think McD would develop as he did and Gomez, while overpaid, at the least seemed like a consistent 2-way, 70 point play making center. It blew up and it was always a bad trade but no one saw it ending up as historically bad as it has.

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