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#1 BigTed3

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 09:28 PM

The new line-up is taking shape and while it's sure to change before the season starts, this is the place to fill out your lines as if you were the coach. Who plays where? What holes are there? Let us know...

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 09:38 PM

If I'm Therien I'd keep the first line intact until they stop producing then fill out the second line wings with Bourque, Armstrong or/and Gionta. This is my opening lineup:

Pacman- DD(if not moved)-Cole
Bourque-Pleks- Gionta
Armstrong-Eller- Moen
Prust- White- Blunden
Noke

Subban- Gorges
Markov- Emelin
Bouillon- Diaz
Kaberle- Weber( if not moved)

Price- Budaj

The biggest hole in this lineup is a weak second line left wing and a lack of a top two defenseman. Overall the bottom six is strong and our defense needs only a little work.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 11:55 PM

I am intrigued to see how the roster takes shape from here. Are we going to sign someone else for Pleks line or hope for a bounce-back from Bourque? Using our past experience of success by teaming Moen with Pleks, I'm wondering if a healthy Armstrong is a good fit. He has better hands than Moen and Thierren seems to know how to get him going.

Pac DD Cole
Armstrong Plekanec Gionta
Bourque Eller Leblanc
Moen White Prust
Noke

Gorges Subban
Markov Emelin
Kaberle Bouillon
Diaz

Price
Budaj

That's an interesting team. Goal scoring will be a problem because realistically our top line isn't going to replicate their numbers this year.

Edited by MIASUN, 01 July 2012 - 11:59 PM.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:31 AM

Its just amazing how the team's highest paid player never makes these lists.

He doesn't make my usual lists either. Yet still, there he is, big number 11 sitting on the roster.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:39 AM

Just wondering what our lineup would look like IF Galchenyuk makes the team. He'd likely be used on the wing, which wouldn't be the right move IMO.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:18 PM

If the habs stay pat, I'm assuming habs top six looks like that, while the 3rd line I put the highest scoring potential wingers that play a hard nosed gritty game.

Pacman - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Pleks - Gionta
Armstrong - Eller - Prust
Moen - Geoffrion - White
Noke

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:24 PM

Just wondering what our lineup would look like IF Galchenyuk makes the team. He'd likely be used on the wing, which wouldn't be the right move IMO.


As CRB suggested, Pleky played at wing on the national team, so this might be an interesting idea :

Pacman - Desharnais - Cole
Pleky - Galchenyuk - Gionta
Bourque - Eller - Armstrong
Moen - White - Prust

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:40 PM

As CRB suggested, Pleky played at wing on the national team, so this might be an interesting idea :

Pacman - Desharnais - Cole
Pleky - Galchenyuk - Gionta
Bourque - Eller - Armstrong
Moen - White - Prust

I'd rather switch Gally with Eller.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:42 PM

I'd rather switch Gally with Eller.


I'd be fine with that, as long as Eller elevates his play this year.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 03:00 PM

I'd be fine with that, as long as Eller elevates his play this year.


I think that playing Centre for Gionta and Pleks really could elevate Eller's game. It would give him an opportunity to play with good players who can put up points, plus he will be playing against top lines in the NHL, so we'd see how his defensive game is developing.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

I think that playing Centre for Gionta and Pleks really could elevate Eller's game. It would give him an opportunity to play with good players who can put up points, plus he will be playing against top lines in the NHL, so we'd see how his defensive game is developing.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 03:17 PM

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Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Moen-Eller-Armstrong
Prust-Nokelainen-White (or Prust-White-Blunden)
Nokelanine/Blunden

Gorges-Subban'
Markov-Emelin
Boullion-Diaz/Kaberle
Diaz/Kaberle

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:01 PM

Elephant in the room.. IF Gomez remains, maybe something like:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Plekanec-Eller-Gionta
Bourque-Gomez-Armstrong
Moen-White-Prust

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Bouillon-Kaberle
Diaz

Price
Budaj

...

I'd rather give Armstrong the chance with Gomer and Bourque instead of Moen, at least to start with... he's a big kid who actually when healthy is a .5 PPG player which isn't too shabby. Or we slot Prust in that slot...

As for Plekanec on the wing, I think it is worth a shot. He is a clever player and has played it before. Eller isn't as strong on the wing, so I think a configuration like that would be optimal.

What I'd like though, is:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
new #2 LW-Plekanec-Gionta
Gomez-Eller-Bourque
Moen-Prust-Armstrong
White/Nokelainen

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Bouillon-Kaberle
Diaz
Weber

Edited by dwdemonwolf, 02 July 2012 - 04:05 PM.


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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:42 PM

Elephant in the room.. IF Gomez remains, maybe something like:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Plekanec-Eller-Gionta
Bourque-Gomez-Armstrong
Moen-White-Prust

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Bouillon-Kaberle
Diaz



Gomez: Elephant in the room indeed!

I feel like Plekanec is still our best forward, best hockey player on the team. It's hard to justify sliding him to the wing. While I agree Eller looks better at center, long-term Eller may be better suited to be a top 6 winger than center because Galchenyuk will be here by 2014. Eventually we all hope Galchenyuk will be our number one center, Plekanec our number 2 and Desharnais will be gone or centering a secondary scoring line.

I'm not sure how this lineup is going to take shape. It is July 2nd, but it's certainly the year we must decide if Lars Eller is going to be the next Jordan Staal, Eric Staal or Jan Bulis. I feel like Eller is going to be the key to season, his skills are evident but if he puts it together and becomes a beast of 3rd line center or ideally 2nd line LW, our team could dramatically turn around.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:20 PM

Plekanec IS our best forward.

Problem is, he's too good to be on the first line. As silly as that sounds. He dragged himself to 52 points last year on 25 line combinations, while DD (love him, don't get me wrong) got 60 playing with our two best wingers.

I am not sure it is worth the potential loss in DD's production to increase TP's points when he is useful in so many aspects.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:45 PM

I don't know if I like the idea of Pleks on the wing. He's our best forward and he's so good in his own end that I think moving him to the wing drops his value in that respect. He's also been our most consistent face-off guy, albeit none of Plekanec, Eller, DD, and Gomez have been that strong in the circle. I just can't see leaving top 6 face-off duties to DD and Eller.

As I see it, Galchenyuk is the guy we want to be a #1 center one day, so he needs to stay down the middle. So I think either DD or Eller has to be the guy to move to the wing. I think both guys are better-suited to playing the middle of the ice, but if someone has to move I suppose it makes more sense to move the bigger, younger Eller to the left side, where we're lacking talent. If that happens, then I think the 3rd-line center spot this season goes to Gomez (unless Galchenyuk really is ready).

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:56 PM

I'm going to throw out another permutation that considers the possibility of Gomez actually being on the team and of management trying to establish some value with him.


Eller-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Gomez-Armstrong
Bourque-Desharnais-Cole

- Plekanec gets two guys with offensive upside. I'm also curious to see Gionta with a guy like Eller, as I think the two complement each other well.

- Gomez gets Pacman, who is one of the only guys he's had success with. I'll add on Armstrong here, who has shown he can put the puck in the net in the past and can add a bit of grit to the line.

- Desharnais stays with Cole, who he's had success with and Bourque, who gives size the way Pacman did. It hopefully gives DD enough skill/size to still be successful and might get Bourque going too.

Is there a true #1 line? No. But this gives us good scoring depth, creates match-up difficulties for the other teams, and maximizes what we're getting out of Bourque and Gomez.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

If were going to play Eller on the Plekanec-Gionta line, I'd much rather see Eller on the wing then Plekanec. Eller is more gritty/better in the corners and not as good defensively as Plekanec, so it makes sence for both players.

Pacioretty- Desharnais -Cole
Eller- Plekanec -Gionta

Habs with the 25th overall pick are proud to select:Michael McCarron, RW

34: Jacob De la rose, LW/C

36: Zach Fucale, G

55: Artturi Lehkonen, LW

71: Connor Crisp, LW

86: Sven Andrighetto, RW

116: Martin Reway, LW

176: Jeremy Gregoire, C

 


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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:29 PM

I'm going to throw out another permutation that considers the possibility of Gomez actually being on the team and of management trying to establish some value with him.


Eller-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Gomez-Armstrong
Bourque-Desharnais-Cole

- Plekanec gets two guys with offensive upside. I'm also curious to see Gionta with a guy like Eller, as I think the two complement each other well.

- Gomez gets Pacman, who is one of the only guys he's had success with. I'll add on Armstrong here, who has shown he can put the puck in the net in the past and can add a bit of grit to the line.

- Desharnais stays with Cole, who he's had success with and Bourque, who gives size the way Pacman did. It hopefully gives DD enough skill/size to still be successful and might get Bourque going too.

Is there a true #1 line? No. But this gives us good scoring depth, creates match-up difficulties for the other teams, and maximizes what we're getting out of Bourque and Gomez.



I like the idea. Not sure this is the best combination, but I think we should consider breaking the Pax-DD-Cole line. I know they were the top scores etc, but this line is "too lazy" in the defensive zone. I think is possible to mix them to get more balanced lines, even if none of them individually has better offensive upside than the original.

Even tough Gomez has lots of people in montreal who wants him gone, the truth is that is gonna be hard to trade him, and send him to minors is nowhere a good idea. He'll probably be in the lineup next year, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. He played somehow well with Pleks and Gionta, and even if that's not enough to justify his cap hit, he can be useful. The same thing apply to Bourque. He has clearly underachieved last year, but that does not mean he is useless.

I think the coach should try some of these combinations in practice, at least.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:29 AM

I like the idea. Not sure this is the best combination, but I think we should consider breaking the Pax-DD-Cole line. I know they were the top scores etc, but this line is "too lazy" in the defensive zone. I think is possible to mix them to get more balanced lines, even if none of them individually has better offensive upside than the original.

Even tough Gomez has lots of people in montreal who wants him gone, the truth is that is gonna be hard to trade him, and send him to minors is nowhere a good idea. He'll probably be in the lineup next year, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. He played somehow well with Pleks and Gionta, and even if that's not enough to justify his cap hit, he can be useful. The same thing apply to Bourque. He has clearly underachieved last year, but that does not mean he is useless.

I think the coach should try some of these combinations in practice, at least.

If we ever have to see Gomez in the lineup again, the only spot we should be considering him to play is the 4th line, centering Moen and Prust, and only if he picks up some extra face off lessons, during the offseason. I actually have hope that there is a trade possibility for him, but if not, then the 4th line is the only option. Even if things don't pan out White and Nokaleinen, may replace him in that spot.

I agree that we have to consider spliting the Max-DD-Cole line, but we have to keep Max and DD together, because that was the main spark of that line, plus Cole can adjust playing with anybody. Saying this i think that our lineup should look something like this:

X player - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Deharnais - Gionta
Armstrong - Eller - Bourque
Moen - Gomez - Prust
ex. White,Nokaleinen




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