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2012-13 Habs Lines

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Of all the Hab's prospects or fringe players who have signed EL or 2W contracts, does anyone have an opinion on who has the greatest chance of cracking the lineup for the upcoming season at this point in time?

Did Palushaj sign a 2 way contract? If he did, it's him and it's not even close. IMO anyways

Yes, I believe Palushaj did sign a two way contract. $600,000.00 at the NHL level and $85,000.00 at the AHL level. He certainly has a good chance of making the lineup.

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Yes, I believe Palushaj did sign a two way contract. $600,000.00 at the NHL level and $85,000.00 at the AHL level. He certainly has a good chance of making the lineup.

I think very soon Palushaj needs to clear waivers, as in less than a dozen more games I would think, anyone know the number? Maybe he already does?

I would love to see Palushaj get some quality minutes with this team next year.

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Cole - Desharnais - Paciorietty - Most productive line from last year and stats show one of the most productive in the league based on team position.

Bourque/Gomez - Plekanec - Gionta - Although this line has the potential to be a huge catastrophe in terms of defensive numbers, I'm not counting Gomez out just yet. I think the individual speed of these players will be able to create moderate secondary offensive numbers.

Moen - Eller - Prust - Creative centre with a couple of wingers who will crash their way to the net. Likely generate chances for ugly goals.

Nokelianen - White - Armstrong - All three of these players have the makings of a good energy line with a hard work ethic. Good fourth line for the players available and all can take face-offs when called upon.

Markov - Emelin - No brainer. One moves the puck; one destroys.

Subban - Gorges - Another no brainer. Similar to above but both are minute eaters and can play in all situations.

Boullion - Kabarle - Again, another hitter with a puck mover. Experienced enough to handle all situations as a fifth and sixth.

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Looking at what we currently have and without any other moves(except signing PK) , this what the lineup should. Look like:

Palushaj- Eller- Cole

Pacman- DD- Bourque

Gomez/ Armstrong - Pleks- Gionta

Moen- White- Prust

Geoffrion- Noke- Blunden

Subban- Emelin

Gorges- Markov

Bouillon- Kaberle

Diaz-Weber

Price- Budaj

This lineup spreads out our scoring and gives Eller a top 6 spot. Pleks is still in his defensive position with Gionta although the Plek line could be our first line, I didn't put an order specific for those lines. Palushaj gets a top 6 chance and DD gets to prove he is legit.

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Looking at what we currently have and without any other moves(except signing PK) , this what the lineup should. Look like:

Palushaj- Eller- Cole

Pacman- DD- Bourque

Gomez/ Armstrong - Pleks- Gionta

Moen- White- Prust

Geoffrion- Noke- Blunden

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I think you have too many forwards

I also don't think Palushaj, Geoffrion and Blunden will start the season in the NHL

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I think you have too many forwards

I also don't think Palushaj, Geoffrion and Blunden will start the season in the NHL

Well i kinda did the last line as a to show the rest of our depth but I believe either Geoffrion or Palushaj will start with the big club.

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Well i kinda did the last line as a to show the rest of our depth but I believe either Geoffrion or Palushaj will start with the big club.

There;s doesn 't appear to be room

4 lines = 12 players

There's already 13 players without BG, AP, MB

Someone has to go to make room

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All these lineups are going out the window once the inevitable injuries happen.

I definitely think Gomez and Bourque should be given privileged minutes this year. It increases the odds of trading them.

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All these lineups are going out the window once the inevitable injuries happen.

I definitely think Gomez and Bourque should be given privileged minutes this year. It increases the odds of trading them.

And if we give them these privileged minutes & they underperform again?

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And if we give them these privileged minutes & they underperform again?

Buy out Gomez at the end of the year. Bury Bourque in the ECHL.

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Buy out Gomez at the end of the year. Bury Bourque in the ECHL.

I definitely wouldn't buy him out his last year, I'd much rather eat the $5M and send him to the AHL.

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I definitely wouldn't buy him out his last year, I'd much rather eat the $5M and send him to the AHL.

I don't know. There's still a 50 player roster spot limit and he takes up a spot. Additionally our franchise is in the midst of a rebuild. We don't want him taking up ice time in Hamilton.

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I don't know. There's still a 50 player roster spot limit and he takes up a spot. Additionally our franchise is in the midst of a rebuild. We don't want him taking up ice time in Hamilton.

I guess it depends on what the cap implications would be at that point. It could be worth one year of a contract spot to avoid excess cap hits in the following two years when we have a chance to be competitive and may need those dollars.

There's pros and cons either way I guess.

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I think very soon Palushaj needs to clear waivers, as in less than a dozen more games I would think, anyone know the number? Maybe he already does?

I would love to see Palushaj get some quality minutes with this team next year.

He already has to clear waivers to start the season.

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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole

Eller - Pleks - Gionta

Prust - Gomez - Bourque

Armstrong - White - Moen

Geoffrion

Nokelainen

Markov Emelin

Gorges Subban

Kaberle Boullion

Diaz

I would trade kaberle to edmonton simply for jf jacques to add a legit enforcer.. Your fourth line is actually very well rounded but if and i think he will moen out plays bourque id switch that line and i'm also going to assume( could be wrong) that armstrong will get injured so i'd let schultz and jacques compete for the enforcer role but most likely it would be schultz due to his style and the fact that he can actually contribute with some offense now and then.

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Tomas Kaberle is severely underrated.

He had 22 points in 43 games last year, that's a 42 point pace. He was somewhat weak because he had post-Cup hangover which happens to a lot of players.

I bet he has great trade value. Puck-moving dmen tend to fetch great value on the trade market. If he works out this summer and we play him properly next year, he will fetch a 1st rounder minimum.

Philadelphia could use a puck-moving D. Let's ask for Wayne Simmonds.

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Tomas Kaberle is severely underrated.

He had 22 points in 43 games last year, that's a 42 point pace. He was somewhat weak because he had post-Cup hangover which happens to a lot of players.

I bet he has great trade value. Puck-moving dmen tend to fetch great value on the trade market. If he works out this summer and we play him properly next year, he will fetch a 1st rounder minimum.

Philadelphia could use a puck-moving D. Let's ask for Wayne Simmonds.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat... with simmonds you get a versatile player who plays rough and seeing how he's not homegrown talent he probably would be in play... although with 28 goals we'd most likely have to give another player up but that throw in would be weber and a 2nd round pick for simmonds and shelley this way we get much tougher and offensive in one trade.

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Tomas Kaberle is severely underrated.

Philadelphia could use a puck-moving D. Let's ask for Wayne Simmonds.

Im the Habs I make the move right away

Im the Flyers I don't even consider it

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Im the Habs I make the move right away

Im the Flyers I don't even consider it

Really? You wouldn't trade a 23 year old, physical top 6 winger coming off a 28 goal season for a 34 year old, 4.25 million dollar PP specialist?

It's not that Kaberle can't bounce back, we'll see and he can be useful on the PP but people are underrating how much his game has slipped 5 on 5 and last year wasn't the first year. He absolutely needs to be babied.

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Tomas Kaberle is severely underrated.

He had 22 points in 43 games last year, that's a 42 point pace. He was somewhat weak because he had post-Cup hangover which happens to a lot of players.

I bet he has great trade value. Puck-moving dmen tend to fetch great value on the trade market. If he works out this summer and we play him properly next year, he will fetch a 1st rounder minimum.

Philadelphia could use a puck-moving D. Let's ask for Wayne Simmonds.

I don't feel that he has any trade value. If I liked him as much as you, I wouldn't want to trade him at all though. Why do you want to trade him?

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Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole

Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta

Gomez-Eller-Armstrong

Prust-White-Moen

Subban-Gorges

Markov-Emelin

Kaberle-Bouillon

Diaz

Price

Budaj

A more balanced approach to our top 9. Second line is capable of both offense and defense (Bourque had a bad season but is actually quite good defensively, Pleks and Gio are monsters)

Gomez on wing lets Eller continue to develop on center, Armstrong has when healthy scored at an almost .5 PPG pace. A offensively capable third line with a mix of size and speed.

Fourth line, crash and bang. D-pairings self-explanatory.

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I don't feel that he has any trade value. If I liked him as much as you, I wouldn't want to trade him at all though. Why do you want to trade him?

Kaberle is a puck moving defenseman who can quarterback a power play with his intelligent passes.

He's a good player, but he is a player of the same style as Markov and Subban. We don't need all three. Kaberle is superfluous skill on a reasonable contract and thus one of our best trading chips.

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Kaberle is a puck moving defenseman who can quarterback a power play with his intelligent passes.

He's a good player, but he is a player of the same style as Markov and Subban. We don't need all three. Kaberle is superfluous skill on a reasonable contract and thus one of our best trading chips.

I'm such a fan of Markov but don't count on him too much just yet. We don't know if he is still Markov or if he is Humpty Dumpty! :unsure:

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Kaberle is superfluous skill on a reasonable contract and thus one of our best trading chips.

That is debateable

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/12/09/hurricanes-ship-tomas-kaberle-off-to-canadiens-for-jaroslav-spacek/

This is a big contract to take,” Healy said. “I think that most general managers are shocked that the contract got moved.”

But there's lots of foolish GM's out there . That's how Montreal got Gomes AND kaberle AND Bourque

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This isn't a great deal for Montreal, but Spacek was completely useless and Kaberle probably still has some use left in him. Does he have three years and $12 million worth of use left in him? No, but he does represent an attempt by management to address one of the needs that has become painfully obvious in Montreal this year.

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That is debateable

http://sports.nation...aroslav-spacek/

This is a big contract to take,” Healy said. “I think that most general managers are shocked that the contract got moved.”

But there's lots of foolish GM's out there . That's how Montreal got Gomes AND kaberle AND Bourque

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This isn't a great deal for Montreal, but Spacek was completely useless and Kaberle probably still has some use left in him. Does he have three years and $12 million worth of use left in him? No, but he does represent an attempt by management to address one of the needs that has become painfully obvious in Montreal this year.

Please continue to reference sites from which you post information. However, links to non-media sites will be removed. Thank you.

I think Kaberle's contract is a lot better now than it was a year ago, and will be even better at this year's deadline.

It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Marek Zidlicky, an inferior player, was traded at the deadline for a good return in spite of having a similar contract. Calgary just signed Dennis Wideman, an inferior albeit similar player, to a 5-year, 25 million dollar contract.

I'm such a fan of Markov but don't count on him too much just yet. We don't know if he is still Markov or if he is Humpty Dumpty! :unsure:

I for one am counting on Markov.

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