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This is the thread to discuss the Habs' power play and penalty kill. Who should be playing on these units? How do you think they'll do? Will they be a boon or will they be a cause of concern? Let us know.

PK:

Moen-Plekanec

Prust-Eller

Bourque-White

Gorges-Subban

Markov-Emelin

Diaz-Kaberle

PP:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gionta

Subban-Markov

Cole-Plekanec-Eller

Diaz/Emelin/Weber/Bouillon-Kaberle

My guess anyways

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PK:

Moen-Plekanec

Prust-Eller

Bourque-White

Gorges-Subban

Markov-Emelin

Diaz-Kaberle

PP:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gionta

Subban-Markov

Cole-Plekanec-Eller

Diaz/Emelin/Weber/Bouillon-Kaberle

My guess anyways

I'd guess they'll probably start with Cole on the 1st PP unit, just because he led the team this year by a wide margin in PP goals and it's a lot easier to not have to start mixing up lines if possible but the main point is that as inconsistent as he's been in his career on the PP, last year he was great and he should get 1st crack on the 1st unit. If anything, Pacio wasn't great on the PP last year so he'd slide before Cole, to start anyway.

Kaberle on the 2nd unit really hurts his value, almost painfully so at his salary but there's not much we can do, I suppose. Diaz and Weber are the 2 best options to go with him, but it seems unlikely Weber plays much and Diaz is a bit of a toss up, probably between him and Bouillon. Neither Emelin or Bouillon is appealing on the PP - at all. If everyone is healthy it makes you wonder how much of an edge that gives Diaz over Bouillon.

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I'd guess they'll probably start with Cole on the 1st PP unit, just because he led the team this year by a wide margin in PP goals and it's a lot easier to not have to start mixing up lines if possible but the main point is that as inconsistent as he's been in his career on the PP, last year he was great and he should get 1st crack on the 1st unit. If anything, Pacio wasn't great on the PP last year so he'd slide before Cole, to start anyway.

Kaberle on the 2nd unit really hurts his value, almost painfully so at his salary but there's not much we can do, I suppose. Diaz and Weber are the 2 best options to go with him, but it seems unlikely Weber plays much and Diaz is a bit of a toss up, probably between him and Bouillon. Neither Emelin or Bouillon is appealing on the PP - at all. If everyone is healthy it makes you wonder how much of an edge that gives Diaz over Bouillon.

It's funny, Cole had excellent PP production when that was previously an area he made little contribution. Patches on the other hand scored half his goals on the power play the previous year (albeit in a shortened season) and he ended up doing most of his damage at even strength.

I almost wonder if there isn't room for both to succeed on the same power play unit because they essentially fill the same function.

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I'd guess they'll probably start with Cole on the 1st PP unit, just because he led the team this year by a wide margin in PP goals and it's a lot easier to not have to start mixing up lines if possible but the main point is that as inconsistent as he's been in his career on the PP, last year he was great and he should get 1st crack on the 1st unit. If anything, Pacio wasn't great on the PP last year so he'd slide before Cole, to start anyway.

Kaberle on the 2nd unit really hurts his value, almost painfully so at his salary but there's not much we can do, I suppose. Diaz and Weber are the 2 best options to go with him, but it seems unlikely Weber plays much and Diaz is a bit of a toss up, probably between him and Bouillon. Neither Emelin or Bouillon is appealing on the PP - at all. If everyone is healthy it makes you wonder how much of an edge that gives Diaz over Bouillon.

I really don't understand how Kaberle being on the 2nd unit hurts his value, or how his salary has anything to do with it. Markov plays his role better (provided he's back and close to his former self) and Kaberle and Markov don't work together.

I'm not gonna write off Emelin on the PP just yet, he had some good offensive numbers in his last year in the KHL and I like his point shot, nice low and accurate. He could definitely be an option on the NHL.

Again, with Emelin we don't know how much better he can be once he gets comfortable on North American ice.

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I really don't understand how Kaberle being on the 2nd unit hurts his value, or how his salary has anything to do with it. Markov plays his role better (provided he's back and close to his former self) and Kaberle and Markov don't work together.

I'm not gonna write off Emelin on the PP just yet, he had some good offensive numbers in his last year in the KHL and I like his point shot, nice low and accurate. He could definitely be an option on the NHL.

Again, with Emelin we don't know how much better he can be once he gets comfortable on North American ice.

The 2nd unit often gets the last 30-45 seconds of the PP, if he's regularly on the 2nd unit he's playing with inferior players (especially an inferior partner on the point), he's getting less minutes and it clearly hurts his value because he's been essentially a PP specialist for 2 years. Look at his advanced stats and how much he's been babied. He's still good on the PP but if he's not QBing your 1st unit, where's the real value?

Also, for all your whining about "let's wait and see" on every single player who didn't perform well last year, how could you already have deduced that Kaberle and Markov don't work together? In theory it's not ideal but Markov has a better shot than given credit for. He's probably a better PP trigger man than Subban was last year. The year we tried Markov as the trigger man (08-09) it was a bit of a disaster but I guess you could try it with Kaberle instead of Tanguay.

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.......but I guess you could try it with Kaberle instead of Tanguay.

You coudl but Kaberle's not a trigger man

In TO he was McCabe's set up man

And MCabe's no longer in the NHL

Yet we found a home for Kaberle

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The 2nd unit often gets the last 30-45 seconds of the PP, if he's regularly on the 2nd unit he's playing with inferior players (especially an inferior partner on the point), he's getting less minutes and it clearly hurts his value because he's been essentially a PP specialist for 2 years. Look at his advanced stats and how much he's been babied. He's still good on the PP but if he's not QBing your 1st unit, where's the real value?

Also, for all your whining about "let's wait and see" on every single player who didn't perform well last year, how could you already have deduced that Kaberle and Markov don't work together? In theory it's not ideal but Markov has a better shot than given credit for. He's probably a better PP trigger man than Subban was last year. The year we tried Markov as the trigger man (08-09) it was a bit of a disaster but I guess you could try it with Kaberle instead of Tanguay.

Sure, I don't personally see it but there's no reason to think Markov and Kaberle couldn't man the points on the number 1 PP unit, but then it creates problems as well for the number 2 unit.

I don't see why people are so concerned with Kaberle's "value" if he can provide his puck moving capabilities for the Canadiens with whatever icetime they give him I'm quite sure he'll be an asset to the team.

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Why is the shootout not considered a special team?

Is it not equally important to a team's overall success than the PP and PK?

With a good shootout practice regimen, we could rise from being a 15th place to being a 12th place team.

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I don't see why people are so concerned with Kaberle's "value" if he can provide his puck moving capabilities for the Canadiens with whatever icetime they give him I'm quite sure he'll be an asset to the team.

Toronto , Boston and Carolina did not want him

Three teams saw something in his game that did not warrant a roster spot

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How did Toronto not want him?

Every player is let go when a great package is offered.

Exactly. He was playing well for Toronto, but they weren't going anywhere, kaberle was an upcoming ufa, and the deal they got helped to offset some of the stupidity of the kessel deal. We might love what Gionta or Cole do for us, but if the right deal came along, it doesn't mean we shouldn't take it nor does it mean we wouldn't want them on our team. I do believe kaberle still has value, particularly on the PP, but it's a hard question as to whether that value will be worth his cap hit.

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Toronto , Boston and Carolina did not want him

Three teams saw something in his game that did not warrant a roster spot

You mean Boston who traded a good center prospect and a 1st rounder, they didn't "want" him?

And Carolinaa, who signed him to a 3 year deal? They didn't "want" him?

Just because Carolina was stupid and traded him when his value was at its lowest, and Boston didn't feel he fit in with their "tough" regime doesn't mean teams wouldn't "want" him. He has many assets and he is among the best in the league at moving the puck up the ice.

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Just because Carolina was stupid and traded him when his value was at its lowest, and Boston didn't feel he fit in with their "tough" regime doesn't mean teams wouldn't "want" him.

And we were smart for trading away a guy who was goign to be an UFA for somone who is signed for 2 more years to be a Savvy veteran power-play quarterback

He's great skater, passer , PP QB but terrible defensively

Should have just signed MAB again

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And we were smart for trading away a guy who was goign to be an UFA for somone who is signed for 2 more years to be a Savvy veteran power-play quarterback

He's great skater, passer , PP QB but terrible defensively

Should have just signed MAB again

That was a desperation move on PG's part. Now MB is forced to deal with some bad contracts... Gomez, Bourque and Kabs and how to use them in the current roster.

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PK:

Moen-Plekanec

Prust-Eller

Bourque-White

Gorges-Subban

Markov-Emelin

Diaz-Kaberle

PP:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gionta

Subban-Markov

Cole-Plekanec-Eller

Diaz/Emelin/Weber/Bouillon-Kaberle

My guess anyways

I like these, but I'm not sure about putting Markov into too much of a role until his knees are up to it. I think we'd be better protecting him somewhat.

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  • 4 weeks later...

I think we will see something like this for the PP at the start of the season. Our #1 line last year get's on first on every power play. We might see Weber on the 2nd unit instead of Diaz because of his slap shot.

PP:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole

Subban-Markov

Eller-Plekanec-Gionta

Diaz-Kaberle

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PP 1

Cole Deharnais Pacioretty

Subban Markov

We absolutely need markov setting up Subban, and you cant go wrong with two and a half men

PP 2

Gionta Eller Bourque

Kaberle PLeks

Good skill, Bourque has an awesome shot, gionta a digger and eller is the talent. And most people dont think so but Pleks has a bomb.

I think if things go south right off the bat then they go Markov and Kaberle on the first line with Kabby setting them up and markie firing away.

If you look at every team with a good power play its all about the bombs from the point, we did it for years with Souray, then Streit,, then Mathieu Schnedier and MA Bergeron.

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someone had pointed out Kabs was on pace for 44 points had he not been injured.. he is a brilliant player.. and he isnt terrible on defense, there was a point in his career he was one of the fabled dmen in the league.. sure he lost his step but that does not mean he's crap.. he is imo a sure upgrade from MAB.

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Pretty good last night, both PK and PP. I didn't really have any major complaints from the Toronto game, given how we played 5-on-5.

So far this season, the majority of the games have been won and lost on special teams that I have seen. If we are good on both the PK and PP, then we will have a huge leg up on the rest of the league.

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The Habs have a great mix on both Ends for ST. Perhaps another front end sharp shooter would be nice. But Galchenyuk is to become that with his wrist shot and puck handling.

I'd prefer to see Gorges and Emelin develop into the first dmen pairing on PK. Then Boullioun and one of Markov or Subban. Markov and PK (eventually) are strong on the PK but the other three guy are bonifed PK also. And as Markov and eventually PK will get tonnes of PP time, I'd rather they didn't play first line PK. Like I said rotational is even better. They simply take on a biggert role in that regard when one of the other three is in the box, hurt, or got caught on the ice too long prior to a penalty.

Meanwhile I think a nice PP rotation or combo of Diaz, Markov, PK, and Kaberle is pretty sweet. In whatever combo the coach decides. I'd prefer PK and Diaz, followed by Markov and Kaberle. Bool and Gorges can fill in if Diaz or Kaberle are not dressed (when PK gets back).

It's just a helluva a nice looking and complimentary back end, regarding special teams.

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Looking good so far. Whenever PK comes back our PP should get even more of a boost. Diaz, if he keeps up his solid play, does not deserve to be bumped down to the second unit just because of PK's return, plus this gives us 2 dangerous PP point units. For our PP's when Subbs gets back I would go:

Gionta-Plekanec-Bourque

Diaz-Markov

Pacioretty-DD-Cole

Subban-Kaberle

And try to get Galchenuk some PP time.

I'd like to try the triangle approach on the PP with Kaberle and Markov and the top of the triangle in their respective units, Subban and Diaz on the left and Plekanec and someone on the right side with the others crashing the net.

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