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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

http://www.goliath.com/sports/each-nhl-teams-worst-draft-bust/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=GO_OBN_US_MOBI&cus_widget=003e51cfad17364451d96e2792be32faee&utm_content=june2017_premium_2017

This article lists biggest draft flops for every franchise. They name Fischer as our biggest bust.  I can think of a bigger one off hand. Wickenheiser anyone??

yeah thats weird.  Wickenheiser by a mile - especially since that year we could have taken Denis Savard , Paul Coffey, Dave Babych or Larry Murphy who all went in the top 6. having said that, sometimes they rank these things purely on games plaed & Wickenheiser did play over 500 nhl games.  The funny thing is, if he had gone in the 4th round or something, i bet you he'd be looked back on as a good solid player.  So much hype.   Id even rank Terry Ryan (8th overall) as a worse pick.     20th overall (Fischer) starts getting into 'gamble' territory. Yeah there were tones of great players selected after him (Giroux I think went a little later?) but there were also lots of busts at that point too.  


To me, a bust is a top 5 pick.  After the top 20 its always a crapshoot because you're trying to figure out if a player is going to develop along the curve you've seen in them.  

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

yeah thats weird.  Wickenheiser by a mile - especially since that year we could have taken Denis Savard , Paul Coffey, Dave Babych or Larry Murphy who all went in the top 6. having said that, sometimes they rank these things purely on games plaed & Wickenheiser did play over 500 nhl games.  The funny thing is, if he had gone in the 4th round or something, i bet you he'd be looked back on as a good solid player.  So much hype.   Id even rank Terry Ryan (8th overall) as a worse pick.     20th overall (Fischer) starts getting into 'gamble' territory. Yeah there were tones of great players selected after him (Giroux I think went a little later?) but there were also lots of busts at that point too.  


To me, a bust is a top 5 pick.  After the top 20 its always a crapshoot because you're trying to figure out if a player is going to develop along the curve you've seen in them.  

4 other teams besides the Habs hoped Wickenheiser would turn out to be the player one expects for a #1 draft pick. He finally reached his potential scoring 30 goals in 1992/93..................for the Peoria Rivermen of the IHL. :)

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10 minutes ago, habs1952 said:

4 other teams besides the Habs hoped Wickenheiser would turn out to be the player one expects for a #1 draft pick. He finally reached his potential scoring 30 goals in 1992/93..................for the Peoria Rivermen of the IHL. :)

At least Hayley Wickenheiser, his cousin, was able to carry his torch well after he (Doug) died in 1999. She excelled in the Women's Canadian Olympics Hockey.

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On ‎2017‎-‎07‎-‎31 at 7:29 PM, habs1952 said:

4 other teams besides the Habs hoped Wickenheiser would turn out to be the player one expects for a #1 draft pick. He finally reached his potential scoring 30 goals in 1992/93..................for the Peoria Rivermen of the IHL. :)

Doug had his best year as a pro with the Habs in his 3rd year scoring 25 goals and 30 assists .... then got traded a season later. He was never the same after that. I actually saw him play a couple of times as a junior with the Regina Pats and was elated when Montreal drafted him. Everyone thought he would be the English version of le gros bil but it was not to be ...

I actually met him a couple of times and he was a very fine young man. He was taken from us way too early by cancer at the age of 37 .....

RIP Wick

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  • 5 weeks later...

Habs tickets:

"We are less than a month away from the start of a new Montreal Canadiens and fans hoping to get tickets for a game at the Bell Centre got some valuable information this week.

Single game tickets for the 2017-18 regular season will go on sale Saturday morning at 10 a.m.

You will be able log into the Canadiens official website starting at 9:30 a.m. to get your place in line in the virtual waiting room before the tickets go on sale 30 minutes later.

There will be a maximum of eight tickets allowed per transaction so we strongly suggest you get inside the virtual waiting room as early as possible because tickets are sure to sell out fast.

The first home game of the season will be on Tuesday October 10 versus Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews and the Chicago Blackhawks and will be followed by an anticipated matchup with Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and the up and coming Toronto Maple Leafs".

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The Canadiens were listed at 20-1 odds to win the Stanley Cup on Monday by the Bodog betting website heading into training camp. 

Bodog had 11 NHL teams with better odds to win the Cup than the Canadiens, starting with the Pittsburgh Penguins, who are the favourites at 7-1 and are looking to win their third straight championship. Other teams listed ahead of the Canadiens by Bodog are the Edmonton Oilers (9-1), Chicago Blackhawks (12-1), Dallas Stars (12-1), Anaheim Ducks (14-1), Nashville Predators (14-1), Tampa Bay Lightning (14-1), Toronto Maple Leafs (14-1), Washington Capitals (14-1), Minnesota Wild (18-1) and New York Rangers (18-1). 

The biggest longshots are the Detroit Red Wings, Arizona Coyotes, Colorado Avalanche, New Jersey Devils, Vancouver Canucks and the expansion Las Vegas Golden Knights, all listed at 100-1.

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Really interesting article here:

Are the Habs the 2011 Bruins?

It does feel like that is what Bergevin is going for.   The comparisons (Gallagher=Marchant, Price = Thomas,  Weber = Chara, Drouin=Seguin etc etc) are pretty shockingly similar.  

The big problem is that while the B's won the cup, it was a complete surprise. They are often called one of the worst teams to win the cup and it was certainly not repeatable. Tim Thomas had an absolutely dominant season - one for the ages - and practically pulled the team to the cup on his back.  Which is pretty much what it would take for us to win it all right now: Price having a monumental year, even for him. 

For MB to use that as a model to build our roster is a big concern. That and the 2011 B's still had better centres than us. 

 

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3 hours ago, maas_art said:

Really interesting article here:

Are the Habs the 2011 Bruins?

It does feel like that is what Bergevin is going for.   The comparisons (Gallagher=Marchant, Price = Thomas,  Weber = Chara, Drouin=Seguin etc etc) are pretty shockingly similar.  

The big problem is that while the B's won the cup, it was a complete surprise. They are often called one of the worst teams to win the cup and it was certainly not repeatable. Tim Thomas had an absolutely dominant season - one for the ages - and practically pulled the team to the cup on his back.  Which is pretty much what it would take for us to win it all right now: Price having a monumental year, even for him. 

For MB to use that as a model to build our roster is a big concern. That and the 2011 B's still had better centres than us. 

 

Not to mention that once the Bruins squeaked past Montreal in the first round, winning by a series difference of 1 overtime goal in the last game, they had a real cake walk to the finals and, arguably, even in the finals. 

Not likely the Habs would fine a similarly easy path.

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  • 2 weeks later...

FWIW, here's the odds from Bodog:

Probability of winning the Cup*: 3.85%

Probability of making playoffs*: 73.69%

 

By contrast, here's the laffs odds:

Probability of winning the Cup*: 6.7%

Probability of making playoffs*:  68%

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