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We've had the chance to evaluate a lot of young players this season. Perhaps not as many as we should have. Perhaps not in the roles we wanted or for as long as we should have. But nevertheless, we know more about many of these players than we did before. Here's what I see:

- Daniel Carr: a surprise find. He works hard, he showed he can score some goals. Even though I doubt he'll be a 20-goal scorer, I think he can pot enough goals to make himself a worthwhile 3rd or 4th liner.

- Lucas Lessio: good speed. Good physicality. I'm not sold on whether he can score enough to be an NHLer, but I think he can battle for a 4th line spot out of camp next year.

- Jacob De La Rose: a responsible player with good hockey sense. But despite this, he has yet to show he can perform offensively in the NHL. I have doubts as to whether he can play in the NHL.

- Philip Danault: he's fast, he's tenacious, and he's a French Quebecer who perhaps allows us to part ways with David Desharnais. He's been an impressive possession player since arriving here. Needs work on the offensive end, but he's a bottom 6 player who can stay.

- Michael McCarron: he's shown he can use his size effectively and he's shown he has the skill to make that size worthwhile. A little rough around the edges, but he should be used in the top 6 the rest of the year and he should get a shot to start there next season. On the wing, mind you.

- Charles Hudon: he has the skillset to play in the NHL. We need to see more of him though.

- Nikita Scherbak: we need to see some of him. We know nothing about what he can do at the NHL level.

- Stefan Matteau: like Lessio, he's shown he deserves a look in camp to battle for a roster spot, but he's by no means a given at this time.

- Sven Andrighetto: I'm not sure he can be a top 6 player, but he can provide secondary scoring. I think we're best served by using him as trade bait in the off-season if we can use him to acquire another asset.

- Mark Barberio: a diamond in the rough. I had low expectations for him and he's become a solid defenceman who can play the left side. Ideally, he's a 3rd pairing guy, but he makes Emelin expendable.

- Greg Pateryn: solid and coming into his own. He can be a 3rd pairing right-handed defensive defenceman.

- Victor Bartley: as predicted, he is a journeyman who doesn't have a future in the big leagues. He's been a bust as an acquisition.

- Morgan Ellis: a talented player, he should get a shot to be the 7th D man next season, although it'll be crowded on the right side of the blue line with Subban, Petry, and Pateryn ahead of him.

Based on that, I can live with

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-McCarron

???-Eller-Gallagher

???-Plekanec-Carr

Danault-Mitchell-Lessio/Matteau

We would ideally move on from Desharnais, Byron, Flynn, and Brown. DLR would probably be demoted. Scherbak, Hudon, and Andrighetto are the key question marks as to whether any of them can move into the 2nd or 3rd line LW spots, but we'd almost certainly need to acquire a veteran to fill one of those holes.

On D,

Beaulieu-Subban

???-Petry

Barberio-Pateryn

Ellis

We move on from Gilbert and Emelin. The big question mark here is whether to move on from Andrei Markov as well. He can potentially be a #4 guy on the second pairing, but the left side of the D is weak and ideally, we would need to upgrade that spot somewhat.

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im mostly with you ted

im a fan of ghetto, and id like to see him get a shot with the team, but not opposed to him or carr being used as trade bait and the other on the 3rd line, or possibly even the 2nd.

i think mcarron on the 1st is a bit ambitious but i get your thinking.

i think we move on from the obvious guys, but im expecting maybe a bigger move than bergevin normally makes, or multiple moves

plek, maybe eller, maybe even captain patchy, could be out of here along with or packaged with a carr or a ghetto.

my projection based on what we have otherwise would look very similar to yours so im gonna save making my roster for the moment

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We've had the chance to evaluate a lot of young players this season. Perhaps not as many as we should have. Perhaps not in the roles we wanted or for as long as we should have. But nevertheless, we know more about many of these players than we did before. Here's what I see:

- Daniel Carr: a surprise find. He works hard, he showed he can score some goals. Even though I doubt he'll be a 20-goal scorer, I think he can pot enough goals to make himself a worthwhile 3rd or 4th liner.

- Lucas Lessio: good speed. Good physicality. I'm not sold on whether he can score enough to be an NHLer, but I think he can battle for a 4th line spot out of camp next year.

- Jacob De La Rose: a responsible player with good hockey sense. But despite this, he has yet to show he can perform offensively in the NHL. I have doubts as to whether he can play in the NHL.

- Philip Danault: he's fast, he's tenacious, and he's a French Quebecer who perhaps allows us to part ways with David Desharnais. He's been an impressive possession player since arriving here. Needs work on the offensive end, but he's a bottom 6 player who can stay.

- Michael McCarron: he's shown he can use his size effectively and he's shown he has the skill to make that size worthwhile. A little rough around the edges, but he should be used in the top 6 the rest of the year and he should get a shot to start there next season. On the wing, mind you.

- Charles Hudon: he has the skillset to play in the NHL. We need to see more of him though.

- Nikita Scherbak: we need to see some of him. We know nothing about what he can do at the NHL level.

- Stefan Matteau: like Lessio, he's shown he deserves a look in camp to battle for a roster spot, but he's by no means a given at this time.

- Sven Andrighetto: I'm not sure he can be a top 6 player, but he can provide secondary scoring. I think we're best served by using him as trade bait in the off-season if we can use him to acquire another asset.

- Mark Barberio: a diamond in the rough. I had low expectations for him and he's become a solid defenceman who can play the left side. Ideally, he's a 3rd pairing guy, but he makes Emelin expendable.

- Greg Pateryn: solid and coming into his own. He can be a 3rd pairing right-handed defensive defenceman.

- Victor Bartley: as predicted, he is a journeyman who doesn't have a future in the big leagues. He's been a bust as an acquisition.

- Morgan Ellis: a talented player, he should get a shot to be the 7th D man next season, although it'll be crowded on the right side of the blue line with Subban, Petry, and Pateryn ahead of him.

Based on that, I can live with

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-McCarron

???-Eller-Gallagher

???-Plekanec-Carr

Danault-Mitchell-Lessio/Matteau

We would ideally move on from Desharnais, Byron, Flynn, and Brown. DLR would probably be demoted. Scherbak, Hudon, and Andrighetto are the key question marks as to whether any of them can move into the 2nd or 3rd line LW spots, but we'd almost certainly need to acquire a veteran to fill one of those holes.

On D,

Beaulieu-Subban

???-Petry

Barberio-Pateryn

Ellis

We move on from Gilbert and Emelin. The big question mark here is whether to move on from Andrei Markov as well. He can potentially be a #4 guy on the second pairing, but the left side of the D is weak and ideally, we would need to upgrade that spot somewhat.

A few inconsistencies and uncertainties that I question...

I believe that De La Rose is still young, has size, can be physical and can play a 4th line role for the Habs in the NHL. Offense needs some work granted, but is not enough to give up on him.

I think Barberio has been adequate, not unlike Pateryn... however, I'm not sure he is what the Habs need going forward other than as perhaps a seventh d-man. Emelin has the contract and would need to be traded or bought-out... traded possible, bought-out unlikely IMO.

Both Beaulieu and Petry are overrated, IMO, and have not shown enough to be givens at the respective spots you give them in the line-up. That said, in lieu of something better being available giving them the benefit of the doubt is all that is left. Petry, like Emelin, has the contract and was supposedly playing injured quite often.

Mitchell, like others, is given the benefit of the doubt... however, I'm not convinced he has the size required nor the actual performance to warrant keeping him rather than going with youth.

I doubt management will be willing to start next season minus Markov (also has the contract) although I can see him being potentially moved if he would accept it. I see him as still of value as part of the Habs do-corps and not easily replaced at this time.

im mostly with you ted

im a fan of ghetto, and id like to see him get a shot with the team, but not opposed to him or carr being used as trade bait and the other on the 3rd line, or possibly even the 2nd.

i think mcarron on the 1st is a bit ambitious but i get your thinking.

i think we move on from the obvious guys, but im expecting maybe a bigger move than bergevin normally makes, or multiple moves

plek, maybe eller, maybe even captain patchy, could be out of here along with or packaged with a carr or a ghetto.

my projection based on what we have otherwise would look very similar to yours so im gonna save making my roster for the moment

I agree that the Habs may be best served by using Andrighetto and/or Carr as trade bait. McCarron is a must on the team in the top nine IMO.

Nothing is obvious to me outside of firing Therrien and putting MB on notice for next year.

I would accept that one of Pleks (age factor and the bigger cap hit) and Eller could be traded even if I'm not sold on the idea... perhaps just by moving Desharnais (or buying him out) it would make a lot of difference in terms of their respective value to the team next year.

So... like Regis I think at least a mini rebuild could be necessary to improve the team's chances at greater play-off success when they make it next year.

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Based on that, I can live with

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-McCarron

???-Eller-Gallagher

???-Plekanec-Carr

Danault-Mitchell-Lessio/Matteau

On D,

Beaulieu-Subban

???-Petry

Barberio-Pateryn

Ellis

Taking into account NTC/NMC ....

Patches - Galchenyuk - Gallagher

Carr/Hudon - Eller - McCarron

DLR - Plekenec - ?

Danault - Mitchel - ?

Beaulieu - Subban

Markov - Petry

Emelin/Barbeiro - Pateryn

Our D is set

For the 3rd line we target a speedy energy RW with some size and grit with a strong 2way game

For the 4th line we target a good shutdown winger with size and that can play C take FO's

Now, if we're able to pull off some sort of big trade to dump DD and say Emelin for a top 6 RW .. then McCarron fills the 3rd line spot and Dietz becomes the 7th dman

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EDIT : As you can see, I don't think we need a lot of changes other than some tweaks and to dump Therrien. If this team stays healthy, they're a top team in the league

Until there's a new coach behind the bench, with a new system , I wouldn't say that , 'cause I don't what these guys are capable of .

I know this year they've stunk the joint out and it's not all becaue CP31 is missing

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Let's start somewhere easy. :D

Goaltending

Carey Price is back as your starting goaltender. Mike Condon returns as his back-up. Ben Scrivens is not resigned and heads to free agency.

Carey Price

Mike Condon

Defense

P.K. Subban remains our number 1 defender. Jeff Petry is on our second pairing, playing the right side. Nathan Beaulieu plays on the left, but on which pairing? His responsibilities need to be increased next season. Mark Barberio should be resigned to a short-term contract. Greg Pateryn plays on the bottom pairing or patiently waits in the pressbox. Question marks surround Alexei Emelin and Andrei Markov. Currently, both are signed to deals for 2016-2017 and I believe they will be difficult to trade. Victor Bartley and Tom Gilbert should remain unsigned and allowed to explore free agency.

Nathan Beaulieu - P.K. Subban

Andrei Markov - Jeff Petry

Mark Barberio - Greg Pateryn

Alexei Emelin

Forward

Alex Galchenyuk, Max Pacioretty, and Brendan Gallagher SHOULD be expected to be the number 1 line for Montreal next season. I would like to see Tomas Plekanec slot in as the number 2 center or the number 3 center, with Lars Eller taking the other position. The organization should find any means necessary to move on from David Desharnais. However, he may be difficult to trade. Torrey Mitchell will be here. He has two more years remaining on his current deal. Our bottom six is currently a mess of players who probably belong in the AHL and intriguing prospects. Our second line is lacking depth. Here's how I see the rest of the forward combinations possibly unfolding for 2016-2017. Hopefully MB acquires a competent scoring winger.

Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Brendan Gallagher

Charles Hudon - Lars Eller - Michael McCarron

Daniel Carr - Tomas Plekanec - Sven Andrighetto

Phillip Danault - Torrey Mitchell - Brian Flynn

Lucas Lessio, Paul Byron

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Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Brendan Gallagher

Charles Hudon - Lars Eller - Michael McCarron

Daniel Carr - Tomas Plekanec - Sven Andrighetto

Phillip Danault - Torrey Mitchell - Brian Flynn

Lucas Lessio, Paul Byron

Too weak IMO. You;'ve got about six or seven guys who could be considered rookies

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Too weak IMO. You;'ve got about six or seven guys who could be considered rookies

I don't disagree. I think, honestly, this is the best we can hope for until MB makes some off-season moves. I expect one of Carr or Andrighetto to get traded. I'm sure we will bring in a more veteran top-six winger, if possible.

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Right now we live of the hope that our players are misused and their talent is misjudged. On the other hand I think true elite players should score no matter how bad the surroundings are. So I am not so optimistic about the future when a guy like Gaudreau manages to put up 71pts in 71 games on a worse team and Pacioretty is not even close to this. We really have to hope for some breakthroughs of our guys. I dont think that Plekanec will get better rather than going into the other direction. I hope Price can get back to the level before his injury but you never know how this stuff works out. So right now I wouldn't be confident to say that we are a top team if we change only the coach.

I would be happy with a real good first line and see some of our rookies putting up some secondary scoring on the 2nd and 3rd line. If Prices plays top level he can do a lot for us. Our defense is another construction site.

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Just posted this in the GM thread, but it probably belongs here.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher

Ladd/Boedker-Plekanec-Andrighetto

Hudon-Eller-Carr

Byron-Danault-Mitchell

Flynn

Beaulieu-Subban

Markov-Petry

Barberio-Pateryn

UFA

I can also see using Andrighetto/Carr as trade bait to try to improve. It could also open up a spot for McCarron

MT gets fired (though I dont think that will happen) and Guy Boucher is hired as his replacement. Benoit Groulx is contacted for an NHL assistant job or AHL head coaching job. Adam Oates also contacted for an assistant job.

Time to clean house in the NHL and AHL coaching positions. No point in having a guy like SL here in St. John's losing. Time to grrom someone in the AHL to eventually become head coach of the Habs. Get Groulx or another successful Q coach.

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Since the GDT is locked, I'll put this here.

Mike Boone: "My great and good friend Pat Hickey just stopped by to say there wasn’t a single Canadien with a letter on his sweater answering postgame questions in the room.

They told Pat; “We’re giving Pacioretty the night off.”

Odd, I thought the game was the Captain’s night off.

Tickets for the Calgary game were available online for $6. Let that sink in for a moment: watching an NHL hockey game in one of the league’s premier rinks costs you less than an Adam Sandler movie at the multiplex."

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Targets for the Habs... how about Mike Hoffman (RW - Senators), Martin Hanzal (Centre - Arizona)

Hoffman's a RFA, so we'd probably have to acquire him in a trade. Back to back 25+ goal seasons. Could be an interesting pickup. I wonder what kind of money and term he's going to be looking for on his next deal?

Hanzal I disagree on. 29 year old center who has never scored more than 40 points in his NHL career.

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I can also see using Andrighetto/Carr as trade bait to try to improve. It could also open up a spot for McCarron

If Im another team why would I give up a solid top 6 player for one or one or two "unproven " players ; 2 guys who may or may not be top 6

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Time to clean house in the NHL and AHL coaching positions. No point in having a guy like SL here in St. John's losing. Time to grrom someone in the AHL to eventually become head coach of the Habs. Get Groulx or another successful Q coach.

agree .

SL should never have been given the coach's job in the AHL.

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I don't want a retread, been there got the ripped t-shirt. I want a coach (and assistants), who communicates,,, has fresh ideas, can adjust on the fly, has "some" emotion,,,, who "coaches" the rookies (gives credit, and tells them what they did wrong), who doesn't have favorites,,,, and who doesn't let his ego get in the way of trying to win.

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They wouldn't be the only part of a trade. They would most certainly be additions to a deal.

To get a top six , we probably have to give up a top six and I could see MB trading Eller because he favors PD ( who he got from Chicago ) .

And I think PD and SM are probably 4 th liners

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To get a top six , we probably have to give up a top six and I could see MB trading Eller because he favors PD ( who he got from Chicago ) .

And I think PD and SM are probably 4 th liners

i really hope the rumours had something to them and captain invisible is being dangled. i think this team could get quite a nice haul for a player who is extremely overrated at this point in time and get a couple of nice pieces back.

as i said in the state thread, trading eller without a replacement (aka NOT DANAULT) would be an enormous mistake

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Hoffman's a RFA, so we'd probably have to acquire him in a trade. Back to back 25+ goal seasons. Could be an interesting pickup. I wonder what kind of money and term he's going to be looking for on his next deal?

Hanzal I disagree on. 29 year old center who has never scored more than 40 points in his NHL career.

I'd be willing to offer sheet Hoffman. There's going to be a contract dispute there for sure and it would be awesome to stick it to the Sens.

i really hope the rumours had something to them and captain invisible is being dangled. i think this team could get quite a nice haul for a player who is extremely overrated at this point in time and get a couple of nice pieces back.

as i said in the state thread, trading eller without a replacement (aka NOT DANAULT) would be an enormous mistake

If he wasn't on such a great contract, I'd entertain the idea of moving Pacioretty, but I don't see how you win getting rid of a 4.25 million dollar 35 goal-scorer.

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To get a top six , we probably have to give up a top six and I could see MB trading Eller because he favors PD ( who he got from Chicago ) .

And I think PD and SM are probably 4 th liners

I think if you go to a rebuilding team, an offer of a pick + Andrighetto or Carr could be enough to get them to part with a top 6 player.

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I think if you go to a rebuilding team, an offer of a pick + Andrighetto or Carr could be enough to get them to part with a top 6 player.

Trade them to ourselves? :P

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