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16 hours ago, RicochetII said:

I'd like to see us start with Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Radulov, and then we can go back to Danault if necessary to protect the lead. Rather than react to the score late in the 3rd period.

I like that idea quite a bit.  On the bright side it's nice to see our coach changing up the lines based on the game situation, but I agree that I'd rather get the lead first and then try to protect it than to only use our "secret weapon" once we've already fallen behind.

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Mitchell and Lehkonen need to be scratched.  They've had more than enough chances to get out of their slump.  :6185:Insert Ott and Martinsen.  Give the new guys an audition for the Rangers game.  By right, Plekanec should also be scratched.  Unfortunately, he's still indispensable for taking face-offs, PK and checking role.

Drop Emelin for one game and give that Davidson guy a chance to show what he can do.  

 

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4 minutes ago, PuckPundit said:

Mitchell and Lehkonen need to be scratched.  They've had more than enough chances to get out of their slump.  :6185:Insert Ott and Martinsen.  Give the new guys an audition for the Rangers game.  By right, Plekanec should also be scratched.  Unfortunately, he's still indispensable for taking face-offs, PK and checking role.

Drop Emelin for one game and give that Davidson guy a chance to show what he can do.  

 

Would be interesting to at least see what Bargain Bergie got for the team. That said, deserved or not, I do think the players you want to sit out (other than Plekanec IMO) may be in line to do just that.

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There are tons of forwards who deserve to be press-boxed. I'd argue Shaw should be the first punished on account of his antics, however. The problem with benching Lehkonen is that we really don't have any scoring forwards to replace him on the 2nd line. IF we are going down that route, we should absolutely be recalling Hudon to play the 2nd line. It's the only move that makes any sense.

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13 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

There are tons of forwards who deserve to be press-boxed. I'd argue Shaw should be the first punished on account of his antics, however. The problem with benching Lehkonen is that we really don't have any scoring forwards to replace him on the 2nd line. IF we are going down that route, we should absolutely be recalling Hudon to play the 2nd line. It's the only move that makes any sense.

This. Since we loaded up on the bottom lines and added no offense, our current options are Byron or Lehkonen for the 2nd line. Hudon could possibly be a better option that either, but other than that, we are stuck. Shaw should absolutely sit as well. If the idea was to create competition in the bottom 6, then it should be meritocratic. You play hard and perform well, or at least avoid being a liability, or you're scratched. Simple as that. There's no point in having umpteen 3rd/4th liners if you aren't going to hold the ones already in the bottom 6 accountable.

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I think its really time to reunite Chuck and Radulov.

I would keep Patchy with Danault, and use Gallagher with those 2, which is our 1st line from last year subbing Danault for Plek.

Gallagher banked one in last night, wonderful, but he is struggling badly to score, and so is this team. we need to maximize our offence, and the chuck-radu duo is our most offensively gifted.  I like that julien makes the hero line for the 1st wave pp, and thats what we should continue doing. otherwise for 5 on 5 id rather see:

 

Lehkonen-Chuck- Radu

Patch- Danault- Gallagher

Byron/King- Plek- Shaw

King/Byron-MItchell-McCarron

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On ‎24‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 7:41 AM, BigTed3 said:

^^ regis, yes, many of these guys are small, that's just the players we have. I don't think Galchenyuk or Lehkonen are or play small though. Neither guy hits a ton, but they shield the puck well, they go through traffic, and they're both 6 feet or over. Danault, Shaw, Carr, and healthy Gallagher also play through the dirty areas. Yes, we lack a great power forward in that bottom 9, but I don't think we're any better-served by having Desharnais, Byron, Flynn, and Mitchell in there, and those are the guys I cut out. I'd personally prefer to see McCarron, Hudon, Ghetto, and Carr in the line-up over the 4 I removed right now. Top 6 needs a burst of energy and creativity, hence the inclusion of Hudon (who has lit it up in the AHL for three years now and has 18 goals there in 34 games this season). The Danault line I proposed had great success earlier this year. And I'll take Plekanec, Ghetto, and Carr as a 4th line over checkers or grinders on other teams despite their size. 

Well it appears either MB finally figured out his team is small or CJ told him to get some bigger players , which he did at the deadline . Let's see if the help because this has been a small team for years in either size or the way they play the game

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

Well it appears either MB finally figured out his team is small or CJ told him to get some bigger players , which he did at the deadline . Let's see if the help because this has been a small team for years in either size or the way they play the game

We'll see. But we've gone through experimenting with Laraque, Parros, Moen, Murray, Lessio, Brown, etc. in recent years. Those guys all play physical games, but none of them really helped in the least. It's one thing to have size, it's another to have size that can play and actually help you. Benn looks to be a player. King and Martinsen might be able to help the 4th line, but how much are they actually going to change the make-up of the team? These guys aren't talented enough to play in the top 6, and Julien uses his 4th line less than Therrien, so these guys might end up getting 8 minutes a night. We've seen time and again dirty hits taking out players while big guys and fighters stand by and watch. Emelin got hit from behind last game and non one did anything of importance. Price got hit by Nash tonight and big 6'4" Shea Weber stood and watched and did squat. J.T. Miller hit Petry in the face at the end of the game tonight, and Steve Ott went chasing Miller around the ice for 30 seconds and Miller just refused to fight and that was that. In none of these instances did it prevent our skilled players from taking dirty hits or change the face of the game. For sure you want to have guys who don't get muscled off the puck and for sure you can't play with a line-up of only small players. But as I said, it's one thing to have guys with size who can play like Boone Jenner or Chris Kreider or Jamie Benn or so on. If McCarron can be big and hit and stand in front of the net AND score 15-20 goals a year, then he's an asset. But McCarron playing on the 4th line and playing 6 minutes a game with Mitchell and Flynn doesn't help us all that much. I'll still take Lehkonen and Gallagher and Pacioretty and Galchenyuk and so on over a 6'3" 4th liner.

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Martinsen played well, so it's getting a little crowded on that 4th line. Flynn has just about played his way off the team (if we still had a 23-man roster limit, I think he'd be on waivers on his way to St. John's right now), and McCarron hasn't been consistent enough. But who sits next game if Radulov is ready to come back? King was the worst of the 3 newcomer forwards tonight, but he's the guy we paid the most to get...

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1 minute ago, BigTed3 said:

Martinsen played well, so it's getting a little crowded on that 4th line. Flynn has just about played his way off the team (if we still had a 23-man roster limit, I think he'd be on waivers on his way to St. John's right now), and McCarron hasn't been consistent enough. But who sits next game if Radulov is ready to come back? King was the worst of the 3 newcomer forwards tonight, but he's the guy we paid the most to get...

That Ott not to be an issue IMO. 

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16 hours ago, H_T_L said:

That Ott not to be an issue IMO. 

Well CJ said he was very pleased with the way Ott played, so we'll see whether you're right. FWIW, I think the best thing to come of the lines last game was seeing Gallagher play with such jump on the Pacioretty line. It's now the perfect excuse to reunite Radulov with Galchenyuk (assuming he's back):

Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher

Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Radulov

Byron-Plekanec-Shaw

King-Mitchell-Martinsen

 

Although to be honest, I'd still rather see Hudon as the LW on the 2nd line, with Lehkonen dropping to the 3rd and Byron to the 4th.

 

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21 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Although to be honest, I'd still rather see Hudon as the LW on the 2nd line, with Lehkonen dropping to the 3rd and Byron to the 4th.

Actually i really like that idea:

Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher
Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Byron/King-Mitchell-Martinsen

 

We get 2 lines with some balanced scoring, we get a 3rd line with the potential to check and score and our 4th line is pretty decent no matter how we compile it (mostly because Julien is actually paying attention to who the 4th line is playing against now!!)



Still really curious about what Julien will do about a partner for Weber. It seems like he's been playing Markov there the majority of time but subbing him out from time to time to give him a bit of a rest (so he doesnt have crazy minutes). Maybe this gives Nate an opportunity to ease into that role (he's still, on paper, the best suited there) or maybe its just a #1 LD by committee sort of thing.   Curious if Emelin will get much icetime going forward...

Its really refreshing having a real coach again!!

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Practice lines: 

Pacioretty - Danault - Gallagher
King - Galchenyuk - Lehkonen
Byron - Mitchell - Shaw
Martinsen - Ott - Flynn

Radulov is still out (injury) and Plekanec wasn't at practice (unknown)

Markov - Weber
Davidson - Petry
Beaulieu - Benn

Emelin practiced on 4th pairing with Nesterov

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Looks like Emelin has finally been scratched. We'll get our first look at Davidson.
Overdue for Emelin, he needs to refocus. Some pretty glaring errors over the last stretch of games.

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On 3/7/2017 at 1:24 PM, Habs=stanleycup said:

Perhaps I had a distorted view of Galchenyuk with Radulov.
With injuries and Radulov back perhaps:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Hudon - Shaw - Radulov (Try and switch with Danault if necessary)
Lehkonen - Plekanec - Byron
King - Danault - McCarron

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Price back at practice. Emelin still skating with Petry, so D combos unchanged. and at forward, new lines:

Pacioretty-Danault-Shaw

Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Radulov

King-Mitchell-Gallagher

Martinsen-Ott-McCarron

So Flynn and Plekanec still out, but Radulov looks like he'll be back in. A surprise promotion for Shaw though... and Byron now out with the flu.

 

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Price back at practice. Emelin still skating with Petry, so D combos unchanged. and at forward, new lines:

Pacioretty-Danault-Shaw

Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Radulov

King-Mitchell-Gallagher

Martinsen-Ott-McCarron

So Flynn and Plekanec still out, but Radulov looks like he'll be back in. A surprise promotion for Shaw though... and Byron now out with the flu.

 

Defense remaining the same after that last fiasco has got to be for managing shaky confidence level purposes.

Surprised to see Gallagher getting the bump, but not surprised to see Shaw getting an opportunity. I'd almost rather have one of them on their off wing, but still in the top 6. Might be a ripple effect there though. I guess we'll see how it pans out.

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5 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Emelin still skating with Petry, so D combos unchanged.

Is CJ that stubborn?  Why is Davidson scratched again?

Emelin will drag Petry's play down again.  Just watch the D get burnt again by Oilers.  Coaching staff just never learn. :5155:

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41 minutes ago, PuckPundit said:

Is CJ that stubborn?  Why is Davidson scratched again?

Emelin will drag Petry's play down again.  Just watch the D get burnt again by Oilers.  Coaching staff just never learn. :5155:

CJ said that everyone played poorly in Calgary, so it wasn't fair to pin Emelin with another turn in the pressbox based on a game where everyone was awful... fair enough, but Emelin had better play a lights-out game against Edmonton.

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Gaston Therrien on Anti-Chambre now saying the Habs have to make a decision this summer between Gallagher and Shaw but that they can't keep both because they're the same player. I don't know what games he's watching because other than both guys getting in the opponents' faces, there's very little in common. Gallagher is  hard worker with skill and can also score. Shaw isn't as talented but does take a lot of boneheaded penalties. They're not even close in terms of who's worth more. Therrien then added "you can't have two guys who do the same thing, it would be like having two Pacioretty's. Sure, Pacioretty scores goals but you don't need two guys doing that." I can't even believe how idiotic that sounds... how do people like this have jobs on tv?

In any case, I'd personally line up Gallagher ahead of Shaw. I also think that left side needs help and will make the call for Hudon yet again...

Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov

Lehkonen-Plekanec-McCarron

Byron-Mitchell-Shaw

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Gaston Therrien on Anti-Chambre now saying the Habs have to make a decision this summer between Gallagher and Shaw but that they can't keep both because they're the same player. I don't know what games he's watching because other than both guys getting in the opponents' faces, there's very little in common. Gallagher is  hard worker with skill and can also score. Shaw isn't as talented but does take a lot of boneheaded penalties. They're not even close in terms of who's worth more. Therrien then added "you can't have two guys who do the same thing, it would be like having two Pacioretty's. Sure, Pacioretty scores goals but you don't need two guys doing that." I can't even believe how idiotic that sounds... how do people like this have jobs on tv?

In any case, I'd personally line up Gallagher ahead of Shaw. I also think that left side needs help and will make the call for Hudon yet again...

Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov

Lehkonen-Plekanec-McCarron

Byron-Mitchell-Shaw

Lol. "You don't need two guys scoring goals." is all you need to hear in order to invalidate his opinion of anything else, ever.

Originally came here because of the two lines that were on the ice for the goals. 
Byron - Danault - Gallagher and Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Radulov
The latter looking like a strong first line and the other looking like a strong 3rd line, but a weak 2nd line. It also leaves us with something like Lehkonen - Plekanec - Shaw as our next best option, which isn't promising either. Even with Hudon as a possibility. I wouldn't mind seeing more from those combinations and whether they can manage to provide more offense than our current setup. 

Otherwise, I'm on board with your lineup as well. Gallagher/Radulov and McCarron/Shaw can be considered interchangeable, and you can probably rotate anyone but Pacioretty on the left. A few games with that lineup could at least give us an inkling of whether Hudon can fit in anywhere. We already know where our bevy of bottom 6 players can be used and how much of an offensive boost they provide.

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13 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Therrien then added "you can't have two guys who do the same thing, it would be like having two Pacioretty's. Sure, Pacioretty scores goals but you don't need two guys doing that." I can't even believe how idiotic that sounds...

LMAO.  Thanks for the great monday morning laugh Gaston!

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13 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Gaston Therrien on Anti-Chambre now saying the Habs have to make a decision this summer between Gallagher and Shaw but that they can't keep both because they're the same player. I don't know what games he's watching because other than both guys getting in the opponents' faces, there's very little in common. Gallagher is  hard worker with skill and can also score. Shaw isn't as talented but does take a lot of boneheaded penalties. They're not even close in terms of who's worth more. Therrien then added "you can't have two guys who do the same thing, it would be like having two Pacioretty's. Sure, Pacioretty scores goals but you don't need two guys doing that." I can't even believe how idiotic that sounds... how do people like this have jobs on tv?

In any case, I'd personally line up Gallagher ahead of Shaw. I also think that left side needs help and will make the call for Hudon yet again...

Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov

Lehkonen-Plekanec-McCarron

Byron-Mitchell-Shaw

Come on everyone know you only need one goal scorer per team! Lol! I really like the idea of giving Hudon a shot, with the new coach he may make an impression and we need to try him pretty much right away as we will have to steady up our lines going into the playoffs.

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15 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

 Therrien then added "you can't have two guys who do the same thing, it would be like having two Pacioretty's. Sure, Pacioretty scores goals but you don't need two guys doing that." 

MT would still be the Habs coach if we had 2 Paciorettys.

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