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15 hours ago, kinot-1 said:

I don't know what's wrong with Beau and Petry,,,, they seem to be doing OK. 

Well the problem is that we lack someone in that #2-4 spot.  

Weber is a #1.  Petry is a #3-4.   Beaulieu might be a #2-4, but we dont know for sure because MT hasnt played him there enough.  Emelin is not a #2-4.  Pateryn is probably not a #2-4.  Markov is not capable of #2-4 minutes any more (He could be a fine #5-6 and PP specialist still).

 

So IMHO we have a #1,  a #3, a #4 and lots of #5-6 guys.  We lack a #2.   

The Problem is that you dont get that sort of guy in a trade very often. So while we may be concerned with our defense, I am not sure how MB plans to solve it.  What worries me is that the one situation where you may be able to get a #2 would be if you moved a young, talented guy (Beaulieu?) for a veteran who is close to going UFA.    I dont think SJ is going to move Brent Burns for Beaulieu, but Shattenkirk is a possibility.   Karl Alzner is a guy who may be available (all 3 of those guys are UFA this summer) but does he fix our problems?  And i definitely wouldnt want to give up Beaulieu for 8 months of any of those 3.   Not to mention that if you move Beaulieu then you're losing one of your top 4, so you still have a hole there. 

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Apparently, according to Bergevin,Sergachev has to work on his speed. Because neutral in a suit in the press box wasn't fast enough. I wish GM and coach would be on the same wavelength for once considering Bergevin said if he was going to stay up he would play.

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AWH is suggesting we are dangling some 2nd round picks for a top 4 dman. (We have 5 in the next 2 years). 

I dont see even 2 or 3 of them getting us a lot in return (not for a coveted top 4) but i suppose if we can wait till trade deadlin & a team is out of the playoff picture we might be able to snag an impending UFA    All the best ones (Burns, Alzner and Shattenkirk) are on teams that will almost certainly be in playoff contention at that time. 

 

One name ive heard floating around early is Kulikov.  He's young (26) and Buffalo is still in a transition year so if they think they cant resign him, he may well be moved this season.  

He's a similar player to Emelin though (better skating, better mobility) so Im not sure if he's the answer. I think he'd be fine on most team's top 4 but we really need a guy who can line up next to Weber.  Is Kulikov that guy? its possible, but it would be a gamble & i suspect buffalo would want more than 1 second round pick this early in the year for him. 

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

AWH is suggesting we are dangling some 2nd round picks for a top 4 dman. (We have 5 in the next 2 years). 

I dont see even 2 or 3 of them getting us a lot in return (not for a coveted top 4) but i suppose if we can wait till trade deadlin & a team is out of the playoff picture we might be able to snag an impending UFA    All the best ones (Burns, Alzner and Shattenkirk) are on teams that will almost certainly be in playoff contention at that time. 

 

One name ive heard floating around early is Kulikov.  He's young (26) and Buffalo is still in a transition year so if they think they cant resign him, he may well be moved this season.  

He's a similar player to Emelin though (better skating, better mobility) so Im not sure if he's the answer. I think he'd be fine on most team's top 4 but we really need a guy who can line up next to Weber.  Is Kulikov that guy? its possible, but it would be a gamble & i suspect buffalo would want more than 1 second round pick this early in the year for him. 

I wouldn't mind trading second round picks for a legit top 4 guy but as you've said, ideally we'd need a lefty who skates well and also moves the puck well to complement Weber. Not sure Kulikov is that guy, pretty sure Burns and Alzner aren't. Shattenkirk would be great to have obviously but he also shoots right, so not sure that trade makes sense for us.

Is Cam Fowler still on the block? No clue what the Ducks would want for him but I remember his name popping up in plenty of trade rumors during the offseason.

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1 hour ago, ChiLla said:

Is Cam Fowler still on the block? No clue what the Ducks would want for him but I remember his name popping up in plenty of trade rumors during the offseason.

Ive heard he is but I dont know if Anaheim would do picks for him.  Maybe we need to drop a prospect in there too. I guess if MB believes we actually can win NOW then he might have to give up a player like Andrighetto or Scherbek ? 

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17 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Ive heard he is but I dont know if Anaheim would do picks for him.  Maybe we need to drop a prospect in there too. I guess if MB believes we actually can win NOW then he might have to give up a player like Andrighetto or Scherbek ? 

Well seeing as no one claimed Andrighetto on waivers, hard to believe someone would be giving up a top 4 D man with him as a focal point of a trade (not like MB giving up a former first-round D man for say, Victor Bartley)... could definitely see him giving up a Hudon or Scherbak or DLR or even Lehkonen in a deal though. Not sure I want Fowler, who has some pretty awful advanced stats, but agree that we need to shore up the left side of our D.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Well seeing as no one claimed Andrighetto on waivers, hard to believe someone would be giving up a top 4 D man with him as a focal point of a trade (not like MB giving up a former first-round D man for say, Victor Bartley)... could definitely see him giving up a Hudon or Scherbak or DLR or even Lehkonen in a deal though. Not sure I want Fowler, who has some pretty awful advanced stats, but agree that we need to shore up the left side of our D.

He's (Fowler) got buckets of skill, and at age 24 I think there's still a good chance for improvement but i just dont see anaheim giving up on him unless they get a sizeable return and I dont know what that would be (that wouldnt hurt us elsewhere).  


The problem we have is that we're apparently lacking a top pairing dman (not sure why we cant give Beaulieu a little longer there) who can handle big minutes next to Weber.  You aren't going to get that in an ageing veteran (the usual pending UFA) and MT is not going to give a sub 24 year old a chance, which means we ideally want someone aged 25 - 31 (read: prime) and i dont know how MB is going to pull off acquiring that without giving up an asset we need right now. 

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Eric Engels reported yesterday that the Habs are among a few teams who are in on Martin Hanzal and that a deal involving him could get done relatively soon. The word around the league is the Yotes are asking for a young forward, preferably a C, in return. Some people are speculating that the Habs could be offering Hudon, hence his recent call-up. Let's keep an eye on the next few games to see which scouts are in attendance and where Hudon is placed in the lineup. If he's playing in the top-6, I'll start to wonder if he's being showcased.

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4 hours ago, habs_93 said:

Hard pass on Hanzal. His only attribute at this point in his career is being large. Our bottom six is crowded enough as it is. Unless it gets Desharnais off the team, it's not worth it.

This. If he comes in for Desharnais, fine, but having Hanzal in the lineup won't make any tangible difference on how this season plays out IMO.

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We're rumored to be in the hunt for a top 4 D, NYI is rumored to be looking for top 6 offense.  Assuming you can get Pleks to agree to it, why not kick the tires at Leddy for Plekanec?  Because both of our teams are tight against the cap, you'd have to do a dollar for dollar swap and Pleks and Leddy numbers are only half a mil in difference.

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17 hours ago, habs_93 said:

Hard pass on Hanzal. His only attribute at this point in his career is being large. Our bottom six is crowded enough as it is. Unless it gets Desharnais off the team, it's not worth it.

Yeah, not super interested in Hanzal at this point.  As a deadline day deal (for insurance) maybe - if it only costs us a 4th rounder right now.  Id much rather keep Hudon - BUT - if MB manages to flip Hanzal for DD then im ok with that.  Both are limited in their effectiveness but i think Hanzal could fit here better than Desharnais. 

5 hours ago, Serial_Thrilla_27 said:

We're rumored to be in the hunt for a top 4 D, NYI is rumored to be looking for top 6 offense.  Assuming you can get Pleks to agree to it, why not kick the tires at Leddy for Plekanec?  Because both of our teams are tight against the cap, you'd have to do a dollar for dollar swap and Pleks and Leddy numbers are only half a mil in difference.

Leddy is interesting. He'd potentially be a good compliment for Weber (very mobile and fast) but i am not sure NYI is giving him up for Plekanec.  We would most likely have to add a young forward too.  Maybe Andrighetto  + Pleks for Leddy and Finn or Mayfield ?  

A couple of interesting trades that would leave us with:

Pacioretty - Galchenyk - Radulov
Lehkonen - Hanzel - Gallagher
Carr - Danault - Shaw
Byron - Mitchell - Flynn

Leddy - Weber
Markov - Petry
Beaulieu - Pateryn

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http://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/possible-trade-coming-between-flyers-and-canadiens?ref=luc

 

This is a bit of far reaching rumor, but according to hockeyfeed.com, MTL could be looking at a swap for Shayne Gostisbeher.  Which I think would be awesome if MB can actually make it happen.  It would all be dependent on who we send back though.

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4 hours ago, Serial_Thrilla_27 said:

http://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/possible-trade-coming-between-flyers-and-canadiens?ref=luc

 

This is a bit of far reaching rumor, but according to hockeyfeed.com, MTL could be looking at a swap for Shayne Gostisbeher.  Which I think would be awesome if MB can actually make it happen.  It would all be dependent on who we send back though.

Gostisbehere would be a great add, but at what cost? He sat one game, but this wasn't a coach giving up on the player, this was more just a bit of a kick in the behind to get him going. Just cause DD sat, doesn't mean Therrien wants to get rid of him...

The only evidence we have of anything is Mellanby being at 2 Flyers games, but it could have been to scout any player. I know we've heard rumors Matt Read has been available for a while. I'm sure the Habs (and many other teams) would love to grab Giroux or Simmonds. If you recall, there were rumors last year of a Simmonds for Galchenyuk deal, and boy what a mistake that would have been...

My own two cents on this: we know MB wants to add a left-handed defenceman and we know he wants to add something else to the top 6, be it a winger or center. So yes, Gostisbehere makes sense for us, but doesn't really make a lot of sense for Philly. I would really wonder about whether the Habs have interest in Sean Couturier. He's a QMJHL product, he's a big center, he can play both ways well... this is the type of guy that Marc Bergevin is probably drooling over, and he would likely be higher up the depth chart here than he is in Philly. I'm not really sure what the Flyers would want though. It's too early in the year for them to be throwing away players for futures. So they likely want someone who steps right in. Do they have an eye on a defenceman like Emelin, Beaulieu, or Petry? Do they want a young player like Lehkonen, Scherbak, McCarron, or Hudon? Or do they want a more established player like Plekanec (doubt it), Pacioretty (would Habs really deal him unless Simmonds or Giroux was coming back the other way?) or Gallagher?

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Gostisbehere would be a great add, but at what cost? He sat one game, but this wasn't a coach giving up on the player, this was more just a bit of a kick in the behind to get him going. Just cause DD sat, doesn't mean Therrien wants to get rid of him...

The only evidence we have of anything is Mellanby being at 2 Flyers games, but it could have been to scout any player. I know we've heard rumors Matt Read has been available for a while. I'm sure the Habs (and many other teams) would love to grab Giroux or Simmonds. If you recall, there were rumors last year of a Simmonds for Galchenyuk deal, and boy what a mistake that would have been...

My own two cents on this: we know MB wants to add a left-handed defenceman and we know he wants to add something else to the top 6, be it a winger or center. So yes, Gostisbehere makes sense for us, but doesn't really make a lot of sense for Philly. I would really wonder about whether the Habs have interest in Sean Couturier. He's a QMJHL product, he's a big center, he can play both ways well... this is the type of guy that Marc Bergevin is probably drooling over, and he would likely be higher up the depth chart here than he is in Philly. I'm not really sure what the Flyers would want though. It's too early in the year for them to be throwing away players for futures. So they likely want someone who steps right in. Do they have an eye on a defenceman like Emelin, Beaulieu, or Petry? Do they want a young player like Lehkonen, Scherbak, McCarron, or Hudon? Or do they want a more established player like Plekanec (doubt it), Pacioretty (would Habs really deal him unless Simmonds or Giroux was coming back the other way?) or Gallagher?

It would depend a lot on who has a NMC/NTC. 

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Gostisbehere would be a great add, but at what cost? He sat one game, but this wasn't a coach giving up on the player, this was more just a bit of a kick in the behind to get him going. Just cause DD sat, doesn't mean Therrien wants to get rid of him...

The only evidence we have of anything is Mellanby being at 2 Flyers games, but it could have been to scout any player. I know we've heard rumors Matt Read has been available for a while. I'm sure the Habs (and many other teams) would love to grab Giroux or Simmonds. If you recall, there were rumors last year of a Simmonds for Galchenyuk deal, and boy what a mistake that would have been...

My own two cents on this: we know MB wants to add a left-handed defenceman and we know he wants to add something else to the top 6, be it a winger or center. So yes, Gostisbehere makes sense for us, but doesn't really make a lot of sense for Philly. I would really wonder about whether the Habs have interest in Sean Couturier. He's a QMJHL product, he's a big center, he can play both ways well... this is the type of guy that Marc Bergevin is probably drooling over, and he would likely be higher up the depth chart here than he is in Philly. I'm not really sure what the Flyers would want though. It's too early in the year for them to be throwing away players for futures. So they likely want someone who steps right in. Do they have an eye on a defenceman like Emelin, Beaulieu, or Petry? Do they want a young player like Lehkonen, Scherbak, McCarron, or Hudon? Or do they want a more established player like Plekanec (doubt it), Pacioretty (would Habs really deal him unless Simmonds or Giroux was coming back the other way?) or Gallagher?

Agreed on all accounts.

There are several flyers who interest me but the cost would have to be right. I cant see them (the flyers) wanting a lot of what we (most likely) would be willing to part with, and Gostisbehere is someone they likely wont give up on unless they get a very very good return. 

Couturier is probably, as you said, a guy that MB really covets. Not sure what Philly would want for him. 

And, as mentioned, this early in the year I cant see Philly moving a current roster player for our futures (no matter how good) or picks (no matter how high). They will want quality bodies to replace the quality players they are giving up. 

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Not a rumour per se but we have a lot of defensmen with the club right now.  Maybe you wonder if something is in the works...

 

Hanley was sent down but Barberio was called up.   Redmond is almost ready. This leaves us with:

 

Weber, Petry, Markov, Emelin, Beaulieu, Pateryn and Barberio on the roster (7) and redmond coming back soon. Thats 8.   Only Barberio (assuming he will be send down in 30 days or 10 games) will be waiver exempt. 

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48 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Not a rumour per se but we have a lot of defensmen with the club right now.  Maybe you wonder if something is in the works...

 

Hanley was sent down but Barberio was called up.   Redmond is almost ready. This leaves us with:

 

Weber, Petry, Markov, Emelin, Beaulieu, Pateryn and Barberio on the roster (7) and redmond coming back soon. Thats 8.   Only Barberio (assuming he will be send down in 30 days or 10 games) will be waiver exempt. 

Wasn't there a team (Oilers?), that were looking for D-men, about a week ago?

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I still think Yakupov could be had for very little in return and I think having him out there with a guy like Radulov, benefits Yakupov and hopefully, MTL.  Radulov also had stalls, starts and disappointments during his early years in Nashville, not entirely dissimilar to Yakupov in EDM.  Radulov may be part of a leadership core that helps this kid become better.

 

I also saw this on tsn.ca:

http://www.tsn.ca/report-isles-trying-hard-to-acquire-a-forward-1.609435

We have a forward NYI could be interested in by the name of Max Pacioretty.  I wonder if NYI would do a deal like:

To NYI: Max Pacioretty, Nathan Beaulieu, Sven Andrighetto

To MTL: Nick Leddy, Anthony Beauvillier, Mathew Barzal

If you could couple that with trading Desharnais to St. Louis for Yakupov, your new line up could be: 

Yakupov/Byron, Galchenyuk, Radulov

Beauvillier/Lehkonen/Carr, Plekanec, Gallagher

Beauvillier/Lehkonen/Carr, Danault, Shaw

Pick a winger-Mitchell-Flynn

Leddy, Weber

Markov, Petry

Hanley/Barberio, Pateryn

Price

Montoya

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Leddy is really good but trading Pacioretty at 4.5 million to go play with Tavares feels like something we'll be whining about for a while. The whole Pacioretty thing is going to blow up at some point though because the market has their teeth into him, it's more likely we make a Cammalleri-esque trade than anything but I assume they'll play out the year and then just passive-aggressively blame whatever disappointing ending on him or on "leadership". After he's run out of town it'll be interesting to see who becomes the fall guy with Subban and Max both gone. Obviously Galchenyuk is the leading candidate, especially since he'll be demanding a hefty contract this summer. 

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Wouldn't it be so nice if, just for like a year, we didn't have a scapegoat?  Or, if we absolutely must have one, couldn't we at least make it someone who's not one of our best players for a change?

 

Ooooh that darn Al Montoya!  He's the source of all our problems!!!  I mean I've never even seen him stick up for his teammates on the ice or in a press conference, what kind of leadership is that!?!

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