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I'm still hoping (sorta) for Jagr. :ph34r: And he would want to play for a playoff team. 

He's like Rad only older and still has the drive left in him. Not sure how much he would cost tho, maybe a 4th, but Flo is still on the bubble, and might want to keep him for the final push. 

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10 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

I'm still hoping (sorta) for Jagr. :ph34r: And he would want to play for a playoff team. 

He's like Rad only older and still has the drive left in him. Not sure how much he would cost tho, maybe a 4th, but Flo is still on the bubble, and might want to keep him for the final push. 

Yeah, assuming we cant get a true top end player, one of the available veterans wouldnt be a bad pickup.  WIth Julien, I have more faith we wont over-rely on them,  Unfortunately Jagr is a RW (although he could play L) where our needs are far less (Radulov, Gallagher, Shaw etc).   Vanek is appealing because he would probably become our #2 LW right away but even a guy like Iginla, if used as  a PP specialist and 4th liner may be worth looking at. 

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58 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

It's all about the asking price. I'm open for a gamble otherwise.

Grigorenko is just 22-23, has good size and can play either wing or center... I think short of overspending for Duchene this could be a decent move that may pay dividends. He is available (Spector - Darren Dreger reports the Avalanche could put Jarome Iginla, Mikhail Grigorenko and Patrick Wiercioch in play for the trade deadline.).

Besides it would also allow Bergevin to perhaps deal a lower draft choice or different prospect other than a Sergachev  for a project/prospect

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Shattenkirk is not worth it IMO... we already have Petry and Weber on the right side, so getting another righty means we're either playing someone out of position or else we're minimizing the value of all three guys by having them split ice time. Pateryn is a serviceable 3rd-pairing righty, and where we really need to upgrade is the left side. The other thing with Shattenkirk is that if you trade for him and lose him as a UFA, he's a high-priced rental. If you re-sign him, then you are likely protecting Weber, Petry, Shattenkirk in the expansion draft, and you likely lose Beaulieu too. So in a trade for KS, we would be losing the trade assets plus Beaulieu, which even further weakens our left side.

As for a LW, I'll throw out a few other names we haven't talked about much:

- Jeff Skinner... he's been in the league so long, it's hard to remember he's only 24. But he's on a team with a limited shot at the playoffs this year and maybe they want a fresh face in exchange for him. Would be an ideal add here.

- Ondrej Palat... RFA after this year but rumor is that TB can't afford to re-sign him, so could be available.

- Evander Kane... he's got a bad rep, so I think MB likely stays away, but there's no denying he can score and play with an edge.

- Matt Moulson... like Kane, he plays for a team we scouted recently. A bit under the radar since re-signing in Buffalo, but could be a 2nd line LW.

- Mike Cammalleri... if we're going to talk about repatriating Vanek, how about MC? Was never my favorite player here, but he's still relatively productive and was clutch in playoffs.

 

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1 hour ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

Grigorenko is just 22-23, has good size and can play either wing or center... I think short of overspending for Duchene this could be a decent move that may pay dividends. He is available (Spector - Darren Dreger reports the Avalanche could put Jarome Iginla, Mikhail Grigorenko and Patrick Wiercioch in play for the trade deadline.).

Besides it would also allow Bergevin to perhaps deal a lower draft choice or different prospect other than a Sergachev  for a project/prospect

Im not sure how much help he'd be this year but yes, I've likely Grigorenko since the draft & think he could still develop into a great player. The biggest knock on him seems to be effort so you wonder if playing with a spitfire Russian like Radulov would rub off. He definitely has skill.   

With Therrien here I had zero interest in guys like Grigs or Yakupov because I felt like they'd be totally misused.  I know Julien can be a little hard on young players too but he usually at least gives them opportunities to succeed.  

If the price was right, id definitely trade for him, but not if it i costs us good prospects ourselves.  

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59 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Shattenkirk is not worth it IMO... we already have Petry and Weber on the right side, so getting another righty means we're either playing someone out of position or else we're minimizing the value of all three guys by having them split ice time. Pateryn is a serviceable 3rd-pairing righty, and where we really need to upgrade is the left side. The other thing with Shattenkirk is that if you trade for him and lose him as a UFA, he's a high-priced rental. If you re-sign him, then you are likely protecting Weber, Petry, Shattenkirk in the expansion draft, and you likely lose Beaulieu too. So in a trade for KS, we would be losing the trade assets plus Beaulieu, which even further weakens our left side.

As for a LW, I'll throw out a few other names we haven't talked about much:

- Jeff Skinner... he's been in the league so long, it's hard to remember he's only 24. But he's on a team with a limited shot at the playoffs this year and maybe they want a fresh face in exchange for him. Would be an ideal add here.

- Ondrej Palat... RFA after this year but rumor is that TB can't afford to re-sign him, so could be available.

- Evander Kane... he's got a bad rep, so I think MB likely stays away, but there's no denying he can score and play with an edge.

- Matt Moulson... like Kane, he plays for a team we scouted recently. A bit under the radar since re-signing in Buffalo, but could be a 2nd line LW.

- Mike Cammalleri... if we're going to talk about repatriating Vanek, how about MC? Was never my favorite player here, but he's still relatively productive and was clutch in playoffs.

 

I totally like the idea of Evander Kane. An intense, tough player and a powerhouse.

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Shattenkirk is not worth it IMO... we already have Petry and Weber on the right side, so getting another righty means we're either playing someone out of position or else we're minimizing the value of all three guys by having them split ice time. Pateryn is a serviceable 3rd-pairing righty, and where we really need to upgrade is the left side. The other thing with Shattenkirk is that if you trade for him and lose him as a UFA, he's a high-priced rental. If you re-sign him, then you are likely protecting Weber, Petry, Shattenkirk in the expansion draft, and you likely lose Beaulieu too. So in a trade for KS, we would be losing the trade assets plus Beaulieu, which even further weakens our left side.

As for a LW, I'll throw out a few other names we haven't talked about much:

- Jeff Skinner... he's been in the league so long, it's hard to remember he's only 24. But he's on a team with a limited shot at the playoffs this year and maybe they want a fresh face in exchange for him. Would be an ideal add here.

- Ondrej Palat... RFA after this year but rumor is that TB can't afford to re-sign him, so could be available.

- Evander Kane... he's got a bad rep, so I think MB likely stays away, but there's no denying he can score and play with an edge.

- Matt Moulson... like Kane, he plays for a team we scouted recently. A bit under the radar since re-signing in Buffalo, but could be a 2nd line LW.

- Mike Cammalleri... if we're going to talk about repatriating Vanek, how about MC? Was never my favorite player here, but he's still relatively productive and was clutch in playoffs.

 

Kane and Cammy both interest me.   Skinner, Palat and Moulson i think are going to cost too much for what they will bring us.  CAmmy would be cheap & since i think we're likely to add in a vet, he'd be one of the best choices. His PP one timer alone would be worthwhile.

Kane is a really interesting thought though.  He's got tons of skill, a huge prescience and yet is seen as a distraction in the locker room & off the ice.  He would probably come really cheap (relative to what skills he has) so the question is:  Can he turn it around with us?  Do we buy the 'leadership' of guys like Weber and Shaw being able to stop his off ice antics?    Might well be worth a try if the price wasnt too high. 

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

- Mike Cammalleri... if we're going to talk about repatriating Vanek, how about MC? Was never my favorite player here, but he's still relatively productive and was clutch in playoffs.

Pass - I never liked his attitude

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Shattenkirk is not worth it IMO... we already have Petry and Weber on the right side, so getting another righty means we're either playing someone out of position or else we're minimizing the value of all three guys by having them split ice time. Pateryn is a serviceable 3rd-pairing righty, and where we really need to upgrade is the left side. The other thing with Shattenkirk is that if you trade for him and lose him as a UFA, he's a high-priced rental. If you re-sign him, then you are likely protecting Weber, Petry, Shattenkirk in the expansion draft, and you likely lose Beaulieu too. So in a trade for KS, we would be losing the trade assets plus Beaulieu, which even further weakens our left side.

As for a LW, I'll throw out a few other names we haven't talked about much:

- Jeff Skinner... he's been in the league so long, it's hard to remember he's only 24. But he's on a team with a limited shot at the playoffs this year and maybe they want a fresh face in exchange for him. Would be an ideal add here.

- Ondrej Palat... RFA after this year but rumor is that TB can't afford to re-sign him, so could be available.

- Evander Kane... he's got a bad rep, so I think MB likely stays away, but there's no denying he can score and play with an edge.

- Matt Moulson... like Kane, he plays for a team we scouted recently. A bit under the radar since re-signing in Buffalo, but could be a 2nd line LW.

- Mike Cammalleri... if we're going to talk about repatriating Vanek, how about MC? Was never my favorite player here, but he's still relatively productive and was clutch in playoffs.

 

I would absolutely love Evander Kane, if he ever grew up.

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1 hour ago, habs1952 said:

I would absolutely love Evander Kane, if he ever grew up.

If he thought the Habs were taking him seriously, perhaps it would be motivation enough.

I'd say he's definitely worth the gamble this late in the season because at the very least, he will be cheap relative to his skill level. A real bargain and a risk worth taking IMO.

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38 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Eklund (insert grain of salt) says we are talking with the Lightning & that Plekanec is involved.

Not sure who we would be interested in (and why they would want Plekanec as part of the return) but its what ol'  Ek is saying. 

 

Plekanec only makes sense to balance salary in another trade. Not sure why Tampa would be looking at Plekanec at this point, so he'd either have to be a throw in, or they have a 3-way possibility. 

Filpulla or Garrison are the only two players that would justify the salary necessary, otherwise we'd just move Desharnais to make the room. If we were after Boyle or another lower salary, Plekanec wouldn't be a necessary component, and we'd probably get a better return by moving him separately.

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8 minutes ago, RicochetII said:

Plekanec only makes sense to balance salary in another trade. Not sure why Tampa would be looking at Plekanec at this point, so he'd either have to be a throw in, or they have a 3-way possibility. 

Filpulla or Garrison are the only two players that would justify the salary necessary, otherwise we'd just move Desharnais to make the room. If we were after Boyle or another lower salary, Plekanec wouldn't be a necessary component, and we'd probably get a better return by moving him separately.

Agreed on all counts, which is why its weird for him to even mention Plekanec's name. I mean I certainly wouldnt think he would be the "main" component of any deal with a team like Tampa but who knows. 

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The Eklund rumor makes zero sense. It makes sense for us to talk to Tampa about Boyle or Palat or Filpulla or a D man, but it makes no sense for them to want Plekanec. TB will likely miss the playoffs this season. Next year, they'll have Stamkos coming back to fill a top 6 center spot. There's no need for Plekanec there, and he becomes a UFA after next season. Can't see TB being that intent on having him for one year at 6M given what he brings.

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11 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

The Eklund rumor makes zero sense. It makes sense for us to talk to Tampa about Boyle or Palat or Filpulla or a D man, but it makes no sense for them to want Plekanec. TB will likely miss the playoffs this season. Next year, they'll have Stamkos coming back to fill a top 6 center spot. There's no need for Plekanec there, and he becomes a UFA after next season. Can't see TB being that intent on having him for one year at 6M given what he brings.

Bergevin is stuck with Plekanec at very least until the expansion draft.  He can move him then by leaving him exposed.

 

13 hours ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

If he thought the Habs were taking him seriously, perhaps it would be motivation enough.

I'd say he's definitely worth the gamble this late in the season because at the very least, he will be cheap relative to his skill level. A real bargain and a risk worth taking IMO.

Kane has really started to play respectable hockey.  I credit that to being line mates with our former captain Brian Gionta.  I thought when we let Gionta go we took a step backwards, because all we did was replace him with other smallish veterans.  That is also around the time that the wheels fell off our leadership core and we had to rebuild it with Weber and Radulov.  Back to Kane however, I think if Kane moves at all it'll be at next year's deadline.  Not this one.  Tim Murray is going to want up until then to fully evaluate the reclamation of Evander Kane under the Mentorship of Bian Gionta.  Gionta could resign in Buffalo for that very reason.

 

18 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

Grigorenko is just 22-23, has good size and can play either wing or center... I think short of overspending for Duchene this could be a decent move that may pay dividends. He is available (Spector - Darren Dreger reports the Avalanche could put Jarome Iginla, Mikhail Grigorenko and Patrick Wiercioch in play for the trade deadline.).

Besides it would also allow Bergevin to perhaps deal a lower draft choice or different prospect other than a Sergachev  for a project/prospect

Grigorenko is very similar to Radulov in that he's a highly skilled former 1st round pick and former Quebec Rampart.  What is also similar is the rough start early on in his career.  I would want Bergevin to acquire Grigorenko in hopes Radulov could mentor this kid and help him turn his career around.   It's a high risk high reward move that could pay off.

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2 hours ago, East_Coast_Juggalo_13 said:

Bergevin is stuck with Plekanec at very least until the expansion draft.  He can move him then by leaving him exposed.

 

Kane has really started to play respectable hockey.  I credit that to being line mates with our former captain Brian Gionta.  I thought when we let Gionta go we took a step backwards, because all we did was replace him with other smallish veterans.  That is also around the time that the wheels fell off our leadership core and we had to rebuild it with Weber and Radulov.  Back to Kane however, I think if Kane moves at all it'll be at next year's deadline.  Not this one.  Tim Murray is going to want up until then to fully evaluate the reclamation of Evander Kane under the Mentorship of Bian Gionta.  Gionta could resign in Buffalo for that very reason.

 

Grigorenko is very similar to Radulov in that he's a highly skilled former 1st round pick and former Quebec Rampart.  What is also similar is the rough start early on in his career.  I would want Bergevin to acquire Grigorenko in hopes Radulov could mentor this kid and help him turn his career around.   It's a high risk high reward move that could pay off.

Agreed on these points :)

Kane has a questionable reputation but has shown signs of maybe finally growing up. Grigorenko had a reputation that seems typically attached to some Russian born players... perhaps just misunderstood by those who have/had a preconceived  belief about his behavior and never did what was needed to truly help him develop. I believe, as you say, that Radulov could be a mentor.

The risk/reward could give Julien the opportunity to have two center/winger options when deploying both Galchenyuk and Grigorenko. And if they played on the same line as Radulov it could be quite interesting to see what results could be achieved.

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2 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

Agreed on these points :)

Kane has a questionable reputation but has shown signs of maybe finally growing up. Grigorenko had a reputation that seems typically attached to some Russian born players... perhaps just misunderstood by those who have/had a preconceived  belief about his behavior and never did what was needed to truly help him develop. I believe as you say that Radulov could be a mentor.

The risk reward could give Julien the opportunity to have two center/winger options when deploying both Galchenyuk and Grigorenko. And if they played on the same line as Radulov it could be quite interesting to see what results could be achieved.

In bold is what you could call the; "Don Cherry"; effect.  Don Cherry has typically trash talked hockey players that weren't born in Kingston, Ontario.  I think Radulov and Grigorenko as set up men for Galchenyuk could potentially Elevate his game.  I wouldn't mind maybe seeing a top 6 of:

Pacioretty, Danault, Gallagher

Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Radulov

It gives you a 1-A/1-B option, as opposed to a 1st and 2nd line.  It has the potential to spread the offense out more.

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Just now, East_Coast_Juggalo_13 said:

In bold is what you could call the; "Don Cherry"; effect.  Don Cherry has typically trash talked hockey players that weren't born in Kingston, Ontario.  I think Radulov and Grigorenko as set up men for Galchenyuk could potentially Elevate his game.  I wouldn't mind maybe seeing a top 6 of:

Pacioretty, Danault, Gallagher

Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Radulov

It gives you a 1-A/1-B option, as opposed to a 1st and 2nd line.  It has the potential to spread the offense out more.

Absolutely the way I was thinking!!! Great minds think alike eh... :6396:

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14 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

The Eklund rumor makes zero sense. It makes sense for us to talk to Tampa about Boyle or Palat or Filpulla or a D man, but it makes no sense for them to want Plekanec. TB will likely miss the playoffs this season. Next year, they'll have Stamkos coming back to fill a top 6 center spot. There's no need for Plekanec there, and he becomes a UFA after next season. Can't see TB being that intent on having him for one year at 6M given what he brings.

Maybe they don't have confidence in Stamkos remaining healthy and they're looking for that defensive center to open up others?

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5 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

That doesn't bode well for his stock. 

 Perhaps a deal has been made and they would rather sit him.  Finishing the trade by pulling him from the line-up during a game may have been plan B this time. Could Cammy be the first move? Don't think we need any small players who cannot score right now.

 

the middle of their game.m

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