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12 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

McGuire says hes heard Galchenyuk's name in rumours around the league, including possible 27+1st rnd pick for player X "would be brutal deal

 

 

2 minutes ago, habsisme said:

if player x is tavares I'd be happy! I just worry we're going after Duchene and I just don't think Duchene is better than Galchenyuk.

 

Agreed. if Player X is Tavares I have no problem with Galchenyuk + 1st     If player X is someone like Duchene or another "sandpaper"player who is actually inferior to Galchenyuk (without even mentioning the 1st rnd pick) then id be pretty upset. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, manquant said:

Apparently both Rad and Markov have agreed to contracts, but are probably waiting until after the draft to complete. http://www.gohabsgo.com/2017/06/14/according-to-a-919fm-radio-host-bergevin-already-h/

Id take that with a grain of salt.  I mean maybe its true - and it would be nice if it was - but I tend to believe Engels (who says they are currently talking) over Rinfret.  Plus I have a hard time believing anyone who let it slip if MB has already got a handshake deal in place. I mean we all know there will be lots of UFAs who have done just that, but since its in direct violation of the ED, you have to think teams would be very hush hush about it. 

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1 minute ago, habsisme said:

I also don't like the idea of giving markov a two year deal unless the cap hit is UNDER 4

Agreed.  The concern with Markov is that we underpaid him for a couple of years in his prime and since that point its like we're trying to make up for it.  

If we do a 2 year deal at $3m per im fine or 1 year at $4m but he's clearly dropped down to a #4 dman (or really, a 3rd pairing PP specialist on a good team) because of his age.   If Julien intends to use him on that top pairing all year, we're in for BIG trouble.  I dont think he will - and i hope MB has a plan for a partner for Weber - but who knows.  Its understandable why Julien used him that way at the end of last year but its time to start using Markov the way he should be used for his age. 

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2 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

FWIW the guy has a point, as good as CP has been this team still doesn't advance , though I shudder to think how bad they would be with out him

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/what-the-puck-time-is-right-for-habs-to-think-about-carey-price-trade

If they can't find some kind of solution than yes I would trade Price... But Price for Tavares just doesn't make sense to me. If you trade Price, you trade everyone and you trade to rebuild. I want draft picks and prospects

But also... what do you think we would get for Price. The market for goalies is just not that great, it never is. Even for contract negotiations with Price, I would not overpay, I am sincerely not worried about losing him. He's the best but in this league 10th best goalie is not much worse than the 1st, same for 20th even

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8 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

FWIW the guy has a point, as good as CP has been this team still doesn't advance , though I shudder to think how bad they would be with out him

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/what-the-puck-time-is-right-for-habs-to-think-about-carey-price-trade

 

2 minutes ago, habsisme said:

If they can't find some kind of solution than yes I would trade Price... But Price for Tavares just doesn't make sense to me. If you trade Price, you trade everyone and you trade to rebuild. I want draft picks and prospects

But also... what do you think we would get for Price. The market for goalies is just not that great, it never is. Even for contract negotiations with Price, I would not overpay, I am sincerely not worried about losing him. He's the best but in this league 10th best goalie is not much worse than the 1st, same for 20th even

 

Yeah, i have a couple of thoughts:
 

1) we're not that far off from being contenders but we need to make moves NOW. There's absolutely no reason to blow up the team (and trading price would do just that) but remaining status quo would be just as bad.  Bergevin needs to go all in this summer & if that means moving picks and prospects, so be it.  If we have 2 years of actual contention then we can blow up the team & get as many draft picks as we want at that point.  No point in being tentative - now is the time to act while we still have good years left from Weber, Patches, etc.

2) the return on a goalie is almost never what you want.  Even an elite goalie.  The problem is: if a team is trading for a 29 year old Carey Price, they presumably think they are contenders.  Contenders arent trading you 2 or 3 high end pieces.  So you either get lots of picks or you get "potential" (like all the guys we got for Roy).  Maybe they work out (the Lindros trade sure got Quebec some great prospects) maybe they dont - but i dont think its the answer right now.

And i agree with Habsisme - if you're trading Price to get Tavares it seems like a lateral move & considering what a shabbles our defense is in...

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50 minutes ago, Habituallity said:

Trade price for Tavares... in a heartbeat... the habs will never win a cup with $9 mil or more tied up in a goal tender

then you just weaken the position that you were arguably the strongest at .

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Sounds like the PK rumours last year. Some GM is going to steal him . I can see MB trading him for Chris Kunitz 'cause he has 4  Cups and knows how to win

In Wednesday's roundup, according to TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie, the Montreal Canadiens are "most certainly listening" to trade talks when it comes to sniper Alex Galchenyuk, but are not actively trying to deal the Russian.

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The winds are swirling that Galchenyuk and/or Beaulieu will be dealt angling to get a centre in return

if its Galchenyuk i hope its not "a centre" but Beaulieu for pretty much any center just makes sense with the expansion draft and everything else. I keep think Tampa is the right trade partner since they need D and on a budget

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3 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Sounds like the PK rumours last year. Some GM is going to steal him . I can see MB trading him for Chris Kunitz 'cause he has 4  Cups and knows how to win

In Wednesday's roundup, according to TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie, the Montreal Canadiens are "most certainly listening" to trade talks when it comes to sniper Alex Galchenyuk, but are not actively trying to deal the Russian.

only if they throw in matt cullen, another proven winner with high levels of hatestoloseosity

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1 hour ago, habsisme said:

if its Galchenyuk i hope its not "a centre" but Beaulieu for pretty much any center just makes sense with the expansion draft and everything else. I keep think Tampa is the right trade partner since they need D and on a budget

I could see a couple of scenarios.   

- NY is shopping Stepan.  Beau for Stepan 1 for 1 is probably pretty decent value based on their histories.   I dont think Stepan makes us a ton better but if we're going to lose Beau anyway, and its the best move we can make with him, its something to consider.   If we go this route (beau for a forward) i sure hope we expose Byron & not Hudon.

- Yzerman is purportedly shopping Drouin.   Beau alone wont get us drouin but Beau + 1st might.  It seems hefty but if you can add drouin while still keeping Galchenyuk, Patches, Gallagher and Lekhonen and (hopefully) resigning Radulov  thats not a bad top 6 at all. Way better than what we had last year & makes our 3rd line much better with Danault and Byron moving back to positions they are much better suited for.

- Winnipeg has been tied to beau and they have some intriguing options (Roslovic, Connor, Petan, Dano) which would be nice because any of them would be ED exempt but chances are none are ready to help us immediately next year so it may not be as good a move as the others. 

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9 hours ago, maas_art said:

Rumor is that Beau is being heavily shopped right now. 

That means that most likely:

1) we want to protect Weber/Petry/Benn (or Emelin) and dont want to lose Beau for nothing so we'll try to flip him for a forward, a prospect or a pick. 

2) we feel like we only have 2 defensmen worth protecting so we will try to move him to a team who has a great top 4 and knows they will lose at least one (Nashville?) and therefore upgrade our third protect dman. Obviously this would require adding something to sweeten the deal.

Most feel like if Beau is getting moved, it will happen before saturday so we might find out sooner rather than later.

The more I think about it, the more I think we should protect Beaulieu over Benn. Benn played really well last year, but he's 30 and frankly, a guy like Beaulieu who has more offensive upside and is younger is simply a more valuable commodity on the trade market and more highly coveted by LV. Why let them have the better value? If you lose Benn, you still line up Weber, Petry, Davidson, Beaulieu, Markov, and Sergachev and you can get by and maybe trade for another D man. Beaulieu as a trade chip has a higher chance of landing you a top 4 D man or a top 6 center (with Beaulieu being part of the package). Teams are not trading away their top players to get 30-year olds back in return.

As for Nashville, they will likely protect 4 D and rumor is they will leave Neal or Jarnkok unprotected. I doubt they trade a D man for Beaulieu and then just lose Beaulieu if they don't protect him. The more likely deal is that Nas trades Neal for assets...

 

1 hour ago, maas_art said:

I could see a couple of scenarios.   

- NY is shopping Stepan.  Beau for Stepan 1 for 1 is probably pretty decent value based on their histories.   I dont think Stepan makes us a ton better but if we're going to lose Beau anyway, and its the best move we can make with him, its something to consider.   If we go this route (beau for a forward) i sure hope we expose Byron & not Hudon.

- Yzerman is purportedly shopping Drouin.   Beau alone wont get us drouin but Beau + 1st might.  It seems hefty but if you can add drouin while still keeping Galchenyuk, Patches, Gallagher and Lekhonen and (hopefully) resigning Radulov  thats not a bad top 6 at all. Way better than what we had last year & makes our 3rd line much better with Danault and Byron moving back to positions they are much better suited for.

It's a tricky market right now, especially for D men. On the one hand, teams like Min and Ana and Nas and Ott have guys on the back end they're afraid to lose. Some of these teams are cutting side deals with LV to prevent that. But on the other hand, even teams that need help on D might be afraid to acquire someone before the ED. If a team has 3 D men they want to protect and then they trade a forward for a D man like Beaulieu, they risk exposing him and losing him. Right now, there's little value for most teams in acquiring D men unless you're getting a bargain trade. We might have room to protect Stepan, but the Rags probably don't want to have to protect Beaulieu.

Drouin would be a grade add, albeit not at the expense of trading Galchenyuk for him. That's a very lateral move. Tampa can't take on big salary but they also want to be competitive now, so they're not going to take futures. They're probably going to be after players like Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Lehkonen, McCarron, Hudon, Danault, etc. Maybe something like McCarron/Lehkonen, Beaulieu, and a 1st could be enough to get Drouin, but again, no incentive for TB to make that deal ahead of the ED and then have an extra D man to protect.

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3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The more I think about it, the more I think we should protect Beaulieu over Benn. Benn played really well last year, but he's 30 and frankly, a guy like Beaulieu who has more offensive upside and is younger is simply a more valuable commodity on the trade market and more highly coveted by LV. Why let them have the better value? If you lose Benn, you still line up Weber, Petry, Davidson, Beaulieu, Markov, and Sergachev and you can get by and maybe trade for another D man. Beaulieu as a trade chip has a higher chance of landing you a top 4 D man or a top 6 center (with Beaulieu being part of the package). Teams are not trading away their top players to get 30-year olds back in return.

As for Nashville, they will likely protect 4 D and rumor is they will leave Neal or Jarnkok unprotected. I doubt they trade a D man for Beaulieu and then just lose Beaulieu if they don't protect him. The more likely deal is that Nas trades Neal for assets...

 

It's a tricky market right now, especially for D men. On the one hand, teams like Min and Ana and Nas and Ott have guys on the back end they're afraid to lose. Some of these teams are cutting side deals with LV to prevent that. But on the other hand, even teams that need help on D might be afraid to acquire someone before the ED. If a team has 3 D men they want to protect and then they trade a forward for a D man like Beaulieu, they risk exposing him and losing him. Right now, there's little value for most teams in acquiring D men unless you're getting a bargain trade. We might have room to protect Stepan, but the Rags probably don't want to have to protect Beaulieu.

Drouin would be a grade add, albeit not at the expense of trading Galchenyuk for him. That's a very lateral move. Tampa can't take on big salary but they also want to be competitive now, so they're not going to take futures. They're probably going to be after players like Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Lehkonen, McCarron, Hudon, Danault, etc. Maybe something like McCarron/Lehkonen, Beaulieu, and a 1st could be enough to get Drouin, but again, no incentive for TB to make that deal ahead of the ED and then have an extra D man to protect.

I agree that we should protect Beaulieu but I'd like to trade him and protect Benn... if we don't trade Beaulieu than we should protect him.

I don't think they will trade Drouin and I'm not sure we have the pieces to get him, it makes more sense for them to move Johnson or Palat. Either way we don't hav ethe peices to get Drouin without Chucky and you're right it's more of a lateral move. 

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46 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I agree that we should protect Beaulieu but I'd like to trade him and protect Benn... if we don't trade Beaulieu than we should protect him.

I don't think they will trade Drouin and I'm not sure we have the pieces to get him, it makes more sense for them to move Johnson or Palat. Either way we don't hav ethe peices to get Drouin without Chucky and you're right it's more of a lateral move. 

1. I'm ok with trading Beaulieu but in that case, you're not doing it to get a D man back, otherwise you're in exactly the same situation of losing Benn for nothing. You deal Beaulieu to get a forward or to package him with another asset for a better player. But in those cases, again, most teams don't want to take on extra players and especially extra D men before the ED. So in reality, we're probably going to have to decide between Beaulieu and Benn before the ED, and if we keep Beaulieu and lose Benn, it doesn't really leave us in a position to trade Beaulieu for a forward. So it's tricky.

2. There's a lot of smoke out there about TB shopping Drouin, and from reasonably reliable reporters. I think TB likes Drouin's talent, but I also believe Yzerman soured on him after his little holdout. I don't think he wants to build around him. I don't think he wants to just give him away, but I don't think he's viewed as a key piece there. In many ways, perhaps similar to Galchenyuk's situation here where management clearly doesn't value him as much as his talent says he should be valued. I'm reasonably certain we're going to get fleeced in any Galchenyuk trade, and I'm also wondering whether someone might fleece Tampa for Drouin. Not ideal for Yzerman to deal him within the division but Bergevin and Yzerman have traded together before, so it's possible. I think a deal with TB would be tricky for us because as I said, they can't take on salary and they don't want picks/prospects to re-build.

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http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2017/6/15/15784552/marc-bergevin-must-tread-carefully-during-alex-galchenyuk-trade-negotiations-trade-rumours-habs

 

“He’s a big centre, and they don’t come by ... when they do, you draft them. You can’t really trade for them. Because for one, they’re not available. Down the middle for me has to be a strength, and he fits the bill. I met him a few times, and we did our due diligence on him. The character and the skill, for me, it was no question he was the guy we wanted.”

 

That was Marc Bergevin’s reaction following Alex Galchenyuk’s selection as Montreal’s first-round pick at 2012 NHL Entry Draft.

It brought not only optimism, but a breath of fresh air for a fan base that had been lamenting a lack of developed talent in recent years, as well as a decade-long absence of a true number one centre.

Two months earlier, Bergevin had been given control of a franchise that was in reasonably good shape. He inherited the third-overall draft pick used to select Galchenyuk, which was a major boon at the time considering the 2012-13 season was an obvious outlier in terms of team performance. With Max Pacioretty, who would become one of the best goal-scorers in the NHL, Carey Price, who went on to become the best goalie in the world, and P.K. Subban, who won the Norris Trophy as the best defenceman in the NHL at the end of Bergevin’s first year, he truly had three pillars of strength; a rare scenario for an incoming general manager.

 

Fast forward five years — the vast majority of which saw Alex Galchenyuk developed as a winger — and we are hearing that the Canadiens are listening to offers on their talented centreman. Montreal still lacks talent down the middle.

Not only is Galchenyuk on the market: the Habs are also shopping their 2011 first-round pick, Nathan Beaulieu. If both leave this summer, it means the Canadiens will have dealt their 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 first-round picks, a counterproductive experiment when attempting to build through the draft.

As a 22-year-old, Galchenyuk managed to score 30 goals with third-line minutes, and despite being shifted all around the lineup last year and attempting to recover from a major knee injury, he produced a 59-point prorated season and finished second on the team for points per game. That put him ahead Alexander Radulov, who happens to be one of the most sought after forwards in the upcoming free agency crop.

 

Bergevin explained that his player actually took a step back this season, the last thing you want to say before you attempt to trade a young player that should hold high value in the NHL. In any trade negotiation involving Galchenyuk, Bergevin is immediately negotiating from a position of weakness: a position he placed himself in.

Truth be told, Galchenyuk has done quite well considering his inconsistent usage over the last couple years, and his absolute lack of development opportunities as a centre before that.

Through 2015 to 2017, Galchenyuk ranks 27th among all centres in terms of points per game. What’s more, with the exception of Logan Couture (tied for 27th) and the amazing Evgeni Malkin (3rd), Galchenyuk has logged a lot less ice time than his colleagues, not to mention he established this pace without a steady top-line deployment.

 

Throughout the last two years, Galchenyuk’s greatest linemate stability was a 10-game stretch alongside Lars Eller and Alex Semin. He experienced 20 different combinations in that time, and yet still managed to put up excellent numbers.

While the issue remains that his defensive play is not quite up to snuff, it’s hard to ignore his first-line production and impact throughout the inconsistent usage. To lose all value, Galchenyuk would have to be one of the worst forwards in the NHL in terms of defensive prowess. Players peak at 26 years old in the NHL, and on average that lasts three to four years, which means that the best is yet to come, including improvements in Galchenyuk’s defensive game.

The evolution of the NHL is as clear as it is simple: talent & youthful impact is the key. Measurable value is what you need to focus on when acquiring a player.

If the Canadiens are intent on trading Galchenyuk, they would be wise to aim for a player that’s roughly the same age, who is an established centre, and who brings all the talent, creativity, and goal-scoring prowess to the table as Galchenyuk does.

There’s no room for error. The Canadiens cannot afford mortgage the future, and Bergevin needs to have the foresight to leave some assets for his successor to work with once he rides off into the sunset.

His team does need a centre, there’s no doubt about it, and if they’re not willing to trust Galchenyuk in that position, they very well could be justified in dealing him. But they absolutely need to improve their team in doing so.

 

If the general manager can’t find fair value — in a centreman — the Habs would be wise to remain patient with their 23-year-old forward.

As Marc Bergevin previously stated, those types of players rarely come around, and when they do, they aren’t traded

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http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/free-agent-signings-trades/2017/6/12/15783076/trade-speculation-surrounding-nathan-beaulieu-heats-up-habs-trade-rumours-canadiens-expansion

We’ve heard the rumours, and this morning Sportsnet’s Eric Engels speculated that Nathan Beaulieu is on the verge of being traded by the Montreal Canadiens

 

At the same time Beaulieu is also on the TSN Trade Bait board, so there is definitely more than just smoke in the case of the Habs moving on from their 2011 first-round draft pick.

If that is indeed the direction that the Canadiens want to go down, there are several talking points we can speculate on.

  • The organization has determined that Beaulieu is no longer part of their long-term plans.
  • They plan on protecting one of Alexei Emelin or Jordie Benn over Beaulieu.
  • They think that Beaulieu still has some trade value and don’t just want to lose him for nothing to the Vegas Golden Knights during the expansion draft.

It’s difficult to say what sort of return can the Canadiens get for Beaulieu, especially as they will be trading when his value is at its lowest, falling out of favour with head coach Claude Julien and becoming a healthy scratch for Montreal’s elimination game against the New York Rangers. Beaulieu saw a spectacular fall from grace this season, starting off on the first pairing with Shea Weber, and tumbling all the way down the line-up. That being said, he still finished the season with 28 points.

 

One option is to strengthen the third protected defenceman by packaging Beaulieu with other pieces to upgrade their defensive depth, above Emelin and Benn who should hardly be considered options for third best defencemen on the team. Teams such as Nashville and Anaheim have four strong defencemen and are sure to lose one of them in the expansion draft, so they may consider trading for a Beaulieu rather than risking losing a strong defenceman for nothing.

Another option is to use Beaulieu to move up in the entry draft. The Canadiens are currently picking 25th overall, and although Beaulieu alone probably won’t get the Habs into the top 10 of the draft, it’s possible they have a prospect in mind who they want, and have a draft position in mind to get that prospect.

Trading Beaulieu would mean that the Canadiens would have traded away two puck-moving defencemen in the past two seasons, dumping P.K. Subban in favour of the physically imposing Shea Weber. With these recent playoffs proving that the game is starting to rely on possession more and more, it will be interesting to see what Marc Bergevin will do to start addressing mobility issues with the Canadiens defensive core that can only count Jeff Petry as a possession-based defenceman. It also may be worth noting that the Jakub Jerabek signing possibly eased some of the worry over trading Beaulieu

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

If we move Galchenyuk for anything other than an elite centre (obviously having to sweeten the deal from our end) like Tavares, we will regret it as much, if not more than the PK swap, MMW. 

Galchenyuk + Drouin would be a great 1 2 for our team.   Galchenyuk for Drouin is (at best) a lateral move and I would almost bet money that AG would do better going forward than Drouin. 

 

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Sergachev traded for Drouin!!!!

Not sure I like this, if we were going to trade Sergachev I really feel it needed to be for a C.... and Sergachev was our only hope in terms of have more youth and puck moving ability on D... I did not expect this. Is there another deal coming? I feel like we really need a dman now and still need a C

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