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34 minutes ago, ChiLla said:

Adding RNH would be great, but we'd look really weak on RW without Gallagher IMO. Bergevin should just have given Radulov what he wanted and then make a push for RNH, we'd probably be a better team now.

for sure we'd be better with Radu, and while i would have complained about that contract, at least we would not be weaker for the next couple of prime 'winning' years.  that said, i think we would be ok even losing gallagher (I dont want to, but if we replace him with either RNH or a bonefide 1st LD, i could live with it).

On the right we'd still have Drouin, Hemsky, McCarron and Shaw.  Thats not a bad group - plus, as i said in my earlier post, i think you'd want to try to nab a guy like Jagr too.  Most likely at least one of those guys would probably play centre, but guys like Lekhonen and Mitchell can play RW also. 
 

I think MB still has several options to make this team better. My only concern is that with the way he undervalues young talent he might trade away a guy like Galchenyuk or Gallagher for worse return than just keeping them. 

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The major difference between Gallagher and Galchenyuk is this: I think Gallagher has shown us what his peak performance can be, whereas I think Galchenyuk can give us even more, primarily because he's been limited by not only injuries like Gallagher but my inane coaching decisions and line-up juggling. If Galchenyuk had been allowed to play 1C for a full season, I think he could have put up 30+ goals and 70-75+ points. So to me, you deal Galchenyuk and you're not getting full value for him. You trade Gallagher and the league knows what he's capable of, even if he struggled last year with injury. I also think Gallagher's style gives more questions as to whether he can hold up in the long run.

If we do trade Gallagher for a top 6 center like RNH and use AG as the other center, then I'd line up something like

Pacioretty-RNH-Hemsky

Drouin-Galchenyuk-Lehkonen

Hudon-Danault-Shaw

Carr-Plekanec-McCarron

 

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http://www.gohabsgo.com/2017/07/28/blockbuster-trade-between-the-habs-and-islanders-o/

The departure of Andrei Markov keeps the Montreal Canadiens salary cap space at just under $9million.

That seems to be the perfect amount for Marc Bergevin to hit a home run and JC Lajoie of 91.9 Sports has re-ignited the idea of what the Montreal Canadiens should offer the New York Islanders to land John Tavares.

The name of Alex Galchenyuk has been linked to that of Tavares for several months, but Lajoie believes that the Habs would have to add nothing less than Brendan Gallagher, Charlie Lindgren as well as a first-round pick to get their hands on the Islanders captain.

The Hab's first line could be completely unstoppable with Max Pacioretty, John Tavares and Jonathan Drouin, but the price to pay is quite hefty and it would not solve any perceived problems on the blueline.

Tavares put up 28 goals and 38 assists for 66 points in 77 games last season, but he will be an unrestricted free agent next year and several experts are questioning his intention to return to New York.

Would you be willing to offer Alex Galchenyuk, Brendan Gallagher, Charlie Lindgren and a first-round pick for John Tavares? The  lines could be. 

Pacioretty-Tavares-Drouin-

Lehkonen-Plekanec-Scherbak

Hemsky-Danault-Shaw-McCarron

Byron-Hudon-Mitchell-Martinsen

 

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3 minutes ago, manquant said:

http://www.gohabsgo.com/2017/07/28/blockbuster-trade-between-the-habs-and-islanders-o/

The departure of Andrei Markov keeps the Montreal Canadiens salary cap space at just under $9million.

That seems to be the perfect amount for Marc Bergevin to hit a home run and JC Lajoie of 91.9 Sports has re-ignited the idea of what the Montreal Canadiens should offer the New York Islanders to land John Tavares.

The name of Alex Galchenyuk has been linked to that of Tavares for several months, but Lajoie believes that the Habs would have to add nothing less than Brendan Gallagher, Charlie Lindgren as well as a first-round pick to get their hands on the Islanders captain.

The Hab's first line could be completely unstoppable with Max Pacioretty, John Tavares and Jonathan Drouin, but the price to pay is quite hefty and it would not solve any perceived problems on the blueline.

Tavares put up 28 goals and 38 assists for 66 points in 77 games last season, but he will be an unrestricted free agent next year and several experts are questioning his intention to return to New York.

Would you be willing to offer Alex Galchenyuk, Brendan Gallagher, Charlie Lindgren and a first-round pick for John Tavares? The  lines could be. 

Pacioretty-Tavares-Drouin-

Lehkonen-Plekanec-Scherbak

Hemsky-Danault-Shaw-McCarron

Byron-Hudon-Mitchell-Martinsen

 

I would make that trade for sure! Don't see how its possible unless Tavares WANTS to be here and has made it known to Islanders management. But I hear he's the type to prefer the small market...

Defense is still gonna be an issue but adding Tavares changes everything. When it comes to our D though... I think its a matter of philosophy. I think MB really doesn't emphasize he puck moving guy... I'm willing to see if going against the trends is worthwhile. I think we'd have a legit chance if we added Tavares (not to mention always the possibility of a deadline dead to add a puck mover - not easy but way easier than adding a #1 C)

Still just a dream unless Tavares wants to come here and I just don't see it

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17 minutes ago, manquant said:

Would you be willing to offer Alex Galchenyuk, Brendan Gallagher, Charlie Lindgren and a first-round pick for John Tavares? The  lines could be.

I would try to sweeten the deal with more picks or a prospect but would really really hate to lose Gallagher AND Galchenyuk.   One or the other, yes.

Having said that, Tavares is the real deal & the type of playe we've been lacking for nearly 25 years so i would probably eventually cave.  The cap argument doesnt make sense though.  Galchenyuk + Gallagher = way more than Tavares' cap hit this year. We could easily have resigned Markov and made this deal. 

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5 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I would try to sweeten the deal with more picks or a prospect but would really really hate to lose Gallagher AND Galchenyuk.   One or the other, yes.

Having said that, Tavares is the real deal & the type of playe we've been lacking for nearly 25 years so i would probably eventually cave.  The cap argument doesnt make sense though.  Galchenyuk + Gallagher = way more than Tavares' cap hit this year. We could easily have resigned Markov and made this deal. 

I feel the same, I become hesitant if its Chucky and Gallagher but I'd still do it. That really is my my max though. Those 2, Lindgren and a first or second. After that it just doesn't make sense anymore

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1 hour ago, manquant said:

 

Would you be willing to offer Alex Galchenyuk, Brendan Gallagher, Charlie Lindgren and a first-round pick for John Tavares? 

no

Too much and Tavares alone wont make a difference

 

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I would make the deal only if Tavares was signed to a long-term deal before the trade (i.e. a sign-and-trade). Too much risk to give up all that for a guy who might play one year here. if you can guarantee JT is here 6-8 years, then it's worth it. There are some people who believe he wants to go back to Ontario and play for the Leafs, and they are probably better set up for a Cup than us right now, so if I were JT I'd prefer going there over here. If he's committed to being here and signs to show it, then I make the deal.

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1 minute ago, BigTed3 said:

I would make the deal only if Tavares was signed to a long-term deal before the trade (i.e. a sign-and-trade). Too much risk to give up all that for a guy who might play one year here. if you can guarantee JT is here 6-8 years, then it's worth it. There are some people who believe he wants to go back to Ontario and play for the Leafs, and they are probably better set up for a Cup than us right now, so if I were JT I'd prefer going there over here. If he's committed to being here and signs to show it, then I make the deal.

I don't think Leafs make sense for him but I don't think he wants to come here

But yes! NO WAY I trade for him unless we know he's signing a long term deal. Has to be some kind of sign and trade

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28 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

I would make the deal only if Tavares was signed to a long-term deal before the trade (i.e. a sign-and-trade). Too much risk to give up all that for a guy who might play one year here. if you can guarantee JT is here 6-8 years, then it's worth it. There are some people who believe he wants to go back to Ontario and play for the Leafs, and they are probably better set up for a Cup than us right now, so if I were JT I'd prefer going there over here. If he's committed to being here and signs to show it, then I make the deal.

For sure, i wouldnt give up any major assets like the Gallys unless i knew he was signed long term. 

I have heard TO a number of times but im not sure they make sense.  I mean Matthews will be getting a +10m contract very soon and they do already have some competent #2 centres.   It seems unlikely they would take on another $10m + centre but Pittsburgh has managed to do ok with 2 of the highest paid centres in the game so who knows. 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

For sure, i wouldnt give up any major assets like the Gallys unless i knew he was signed long term. 

I have heard TO a number of times but im not sure they make sense.  I mean Matthews will be getting a +10m contract very soon and they do already have some competent #2 centres.   It seems unlikely they would take on another $10m + centre but Pittsburgh has managed to do ok with 2 of the highest paid centres in the game so who knows. 

People say Toronto doesn't need Tavares, but we're talking about an elite scorer who's still pretty young, and he'd be headed there for free as a UFA next year. The Leafs wouldn't need to give up any assets. If I'm TO, I'd consider signing Tavares, then dealing a guy like Nylander (and certainly trading Bozak) for other assets to fill voids elsewhere.

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3 hours ago, manquant said:

 

Would you be willing to offer Alex Galchenyuk, Brendan Gallagher, Charlie Lindgren and a first-round pick for John Tavares? The  lines could be. 

 

In my mind that would be WAY too high a price to pay for Tavares. We are already weak enough on offence due to losing Radulov.

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that is a lot for JT...we have to give too much and would still need pieces..... like Radulov who was the reason both Galchenyuk and Patches played like stars when they were with him. But they played a different style and the trio never clicked. Early on when Rads and Galchenyuk were free wheeling,,,, but we let him walk big mistake. Getting JT now and giving up on Gally 1 and 2 plus our next #1 goalie if we ever want or need to move Price...Hmmmm one step forward two steps back.

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17 minutes ago, 4erver10 said:

that is a lot for JT...we have to give too much and would still need pieces..... like Radulov who was the reason both Galchenyuk and Patches played like stars when they were with him. But they played a different style and the trio never clicked. Early on when Rads and Galchenyuk were free wheeling,,,, but we let him walk big mistake. Getting JT now and giving up on Gally 1 and 2 plus our next #1 goalie if we ever want or need to move Price...Hmmmm one step forward two steps back.

no use worrying about our next #1 Goalie. No one will touch Price's contract. He is ours for the next 9 years. Our next #1 goalies is currently 15 or younger. 

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On 7/30/2017 at 0:08 PM, habsisme said:

 No one will touch Price's contract. 

Strongly disagree. I think most GMs would do anything in their power to put Price (even with his contract) on their roster.  Im not saying its the right or the wrong move but i think the vast majority of GMs would have given him that contract if they had him on their roster.


On a different note:  Its eklund so, you know, but:  

"a source who informed me there is word out this morning that Montreal is seriously mulling over a "Solid offer for Galchenyuk."

Im hopeful its just more Eklund crap, but Im sure MB isnt done dealing.  To me there are only 2 scenarios where i would trade Chucky:
1) We get a better player (centre) in return.  Tavares, Draitsalt etc.   This is unlikely and it would mean we'd have to kick in more in the deal im sure.

2) We get a pretty much equally good centre AND we get a quality puck-moving LD. This would be one of those "all in" moves - meaning we would need to win NOW.  A package like Getzlaf + Hampus Lindholm  for Chucky + Schlemko  or something.

Id still rather hold on to Chucky but we have very few resources to add a #1LD at this point. 

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24 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Strongly disagree. I think most GMs would do anything in their power to put Price (even with his contract) on their roster.  Im not saying its the right or the wrong move but i think the vast majority of GMs would have given him that contract if they had him on their roster.


On a different note:  Its eklund so, you know, but:  

"a source who informed me there is word out this morning that Montreal is seriously mulling over a "Solid offer for Galchenyuk."

Im hopeful its just more Eklund crap, but Im sure MB isnt done dealing.  To me there are only 2 scenarios where i would trade Chucky:
1) We get a better player (centre) in return.  Tavares, Draitsalt etc.   This is unlikely and it would mean we'd have to kick in more in the deal im sure.

2) We get a pretty much equally good centre AND we get a quality puck-moving LD. This would be one of those "all in" moves - meaning we would need to win NOW.  A package like Getzlaf + Hampus Lindholm  for Chucky + Schlemko  or something.

Id still rather hold on to Chucky but we have very few resources to add a #1LD at this point. 

I came here to just post this info, but after reading your post this just might somehow tie into what you found. 

So, FWIW, 

"Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network on Thursday and he shared his theory that Marc Bergevin currently has a plan in mind to use the $8.5million in salary cap space he has available and that the Habs GM is dreaming big.

Friedman believes that Bergevin could move quickly before the start of the season and that his plan would be extremely pleasing to the team's fanbase.

Brian Wilde mentioned during the weekend three likely options to improve the team at center, he mentioned the names of John Tavares, Matt Duchene and Ryan Nugent Hopkins .

The option of a trying to sign a restricted free agent is still on the table, with Leon Draisaitl (Edmonton), David Pastrnak (Boston), Mikael Granlund (Minnesota) and Alexander Wennberg (Columbus) still having not signed new contracts with their respective teams.

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2 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

I came here to just post this info, but after reading your post this just might somehow tie into what you found. 

So, FWIW, 

"Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network on Thursday and he shared his theory that Marc Bergevin currently has a plan in mind to use the $8.5million in salary cap space he has available and that the Habs GM is dreaming big.

Friedman believes that Bergevin could move quickly before the start of the season and that his plan would be extremely pleasing to the team's fanbase.

Brian Wilde mentioned during the weekend three likely options to improve the team at center, he mentioned the names of John Tavares, Matt Duchene and Ryan Nugent Hopkins .

The option of a trying to sign a restricted free agent is still on the table, with Leon Draisaitl (Edmonton), David Pastrnak (Boston), Mikael Granlund (Minnesota) and Alexander Wennberg (Columbus) still having not signed new contracts with their respective teams.

RNH scored 43 points last season and was a minus 10 with a poor faceoff performance under 50/50. Duchene was worse with 41 points and a minus 34 but good faceoff numbers over 60%. RNH had his 2 best years 3 and 4 years ago maxing out at 56 points and minus 10 both years. Duchene had his best 4 years ago at 70 points and a plus 8. Both cap at $6MM, RNH for another 4 years and Duchene for another 2 years. Both their respective teams would LOVE to unload them ........ neither are elite or close to being legit #1 Centres and my recommendation would be to PASS!

John Tavares is the real deal and I would say top 5 in the league probably. I believe he will re-up in New York but if he doesn't ... why on earth would he play for Montreal? The word is out on the Montreal organization with both fans and media around the league so you don't think the players and their agents know there is no commitment to winning with this franchise? If he does move I could see maybe Boston or Toronto or maybe Detroit as possible destinations.

Montreal spit the bit with the foolish contract they lavished on Price out of Bergevin's desperation to appear to be doing something and with their trade of their one and only legit prospect for a spare part/power play specialist (Drouin) who doesn't have a competent centre to play with.

I strongly believe the only contending this team will be doing for a while will be for lottery picks. Very sad with no plan for the future ....   

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23 minutes ago, eldag said:

RNH scored 43 points last season and was a minus 10 with a poor faceoff performance under 50/50. Duchene was worse with 41 points and a minus 34 but good faceoff numbers over 60%. RNH had his 2 best years 3 and 4 years ago maxing out at 56 points and minus 10 both years. Duchene had his best 4 years ago at 70 points and a plus 8. Both cap at $6MM, RNH for another 4 years and Duchene for another 2 years. Both their respective teams would LOVE to unload them ........ neither are elite or close to being legit #1 Centres and my recommendation would be to PASS!

John Tavares is the real deal and I would say top 5 in the league probably. I believe he will re-up in New York but if he doesn't ... why on earth would he play for Montreal? The word is out on the Montreal organization with both fans and media around the league so you don't think the players and their agents know there is no commitment to winning with this franchise? If he does move I could see maybe Boston or Toronto or maybe Detroit as possible destinations.

Montreal spit the bit with the foolish contract they lavished on Price out of Bergevin's desperation to appear to be doing something and with their trade of their one and only legit prospect for a spare part/power play specialist (Drouin) who doesn't have a competent centre to play with.

I strongly believe the only contending this team will be doing for a while will be for lottery picks. Very sad with no plan for the future ....   

IMO, the only one worth going after is JT, however, (also IMO), the 8 mil. or so we have for cap space will prolly go to an underwhelming 2-3 line C, who MB will immediately re-up for 6-7 mil. 

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Look, I'd definitely prefer JT over the other two, but that comes with a higher price, and we don't even know if JT would consider Mtl (no point in trading for him if he's leaving in a year). I fully agree that RNH and Duchene have probably already peaked as players (most forwards now tend to peak in their early 20's, which is one reason it would be extremely dumb to move Galchenyuk for either one straight up). But that said, RNH or Duchene is a cut above what we currently have for our top 6 centers. Right now, either Danault or Plekanec or both will be playing in our top 6 and that's unacceptable. So no, RNH and Duchene are not Crosby and Malkin, but they'd come at a cheaper price and they'd be serviceable in their roles. I'd be 100% fine with Galchenyuk and RNH/Duchene as our top 2 centers, I think that's better than average for a 1-2 punch in the NHL.

If you look at RNH, his production peaked a couple of years ago, but his 2015-16 campaign was set back by injuries, so his productivity per ice time was actually fairly comparable to what he did in the two years prior. And last year, he ended up playing behind McDavid +/- Draisaitl, and we saw his TOI drop by 3 minutes compared to the 13-14 and 14-15 seasons. I think RNH is a good example of a guy with skill who's been a bit unlucky with injuries and never found his full stride, someone whom you can buy low and potentially get more out of than his current situation. I don't think he'll pot 30 goals, but pair him with Pacioretty and another player like Lehkonen or Drouin and I think he can put up 20 goals and 60-65 points. We know Edmonton is going to have to dump salary to be able to afford McD/Draisaitl long-term, so they might very well be interested in trading for a guy like Gallagher, who can be productive but cost half as much as RNH... and while Gallagher is a very useful and underrated player, RNH fills a bigger need for us right now and would be a better fit in Mtl. It's a deal that potentially helps both teams.

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4 hours ago, maas_art said:

Strongly disagree. I think most GMs would do anything in their power to put Price (even with his contract) on their roster.  Im not saying its the right or the wrong move but i think the vast majority of GMs would have given him that contract if they had him on their roster.

 

I think you're right, most GMs that can spend freely to the cap would have signed him to that contract. I don't think they would make the trade to get him with that contract. Making the trade would cost too much and make that team the new version of the Habs whereby they would be relying heavily on Price to win games. 

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14 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

IMO, the only one worth going after is JT, however, (also IMO), the 8 mil. or so we have for cap space will prolly go to an underwhelming 2-3 line C, who MB will immediately re-up for 6-7 mil. 

Unfortunately you are probably right and once again the cycle of mediocrity and non-competitive wheel spinning will continue. When the fans who attend games finally revolt and stop showing up and the string of sell outs comes to an end ... it will be a trend that is very hard to reverse in Montreal ..... it is a city that does not co-exist with the stench of a loser franchise very long ... even if it is the Habs. People of my age group 60+ won't be around much longer and counting on our loyalty because of the team's august past is a poor strategy if that is what Molson is doing.

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17 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Look, I'd definitely prefer JT over the other two, but that comes with a higher price, and we don't even know if JT would consider Mtl (no point in trading for him if he's leaving in a year). I fully agree that RNH and Duchene have probably already peaked as players (most forwards now tend to peak in their early 20's, which is one reason it would be extremely dumb to move Galchenyuk for either one straight up). But that said, RNH or Duchene is a cut above what we currently have for our top 6 centers. Right now, either Danault or Plekanec or both will be playing in our top 6 and that's unacceptable. So no, RNH and Duchene are not Crosby and Malkin, but they'd come at a cheaper price and they'd be serviceable in their roles. I'd be 100% fine with Galchenyuk and RNH/Duchene as our top 2 centers, I think that's better than average for a 1-2 punch in the NHL.

If you look at RNH, his production peaked a couple of years ago, but his 2015-16 campaign was set back by injuries, so his productivity per ice time was actually fairly comparable to what he did in the two years prior. And last year, he ended up playing behind McDavid +/- Draisaitl, and we saw his TOI drop by 3 minutes compared to the 13-14 and 14-15 seasons. I think RNH is a good example of a guy with skill who's been a bit unlucky with injuries and never found his full stride, someone whom you can buy low and potentially get more out of than his current situation. I don't think he'll pot 30 goals, but pair him with Pacioretty and another player like Lehkonen or Drouin and I think he can put up 20 goals and 60-65 points. We know Edmonton is going to have to dump salary to be able to afford McD/Draisaitl long-term, so they might very well be interested in trading for a guy like Gallagher, who can be productive but cost half as much as RNH... and while Gallagher is a very useful and underrated player, RNH fills a bigger need for us right now and would be a better fit in Mtl. It's a deal that potentially helps both teams.

Agree on all accounts.  

Its probably unlikely we land any of them but if you look at 'fair market value' as well as the needs (and cap requirements) of the teams involved,  JT would definitely cost you Galchenyuk, while Duchene or RNH may be had for other pieces.   Id hate to lose Gallagher, for example, but Id rather lose him and get RNH and be able to retain Galchenyuk who i think still has way more ceiling we havent even seen.  

I actually dont think we're even in on the Duchene talks; Sakic seems adamant they acquire a top 4 dman so unless we're offering Petry (what a disaster that would be) i dont think they'd have any interest in our players. 

Id be absolutely fine with a tandem of  RNH or Duchene  + Galchenyuk & Drouin as our top 2 centres.   I would NOT trade Galchenyuk to acquire either of those guys though (with the possible exception of a package, ie   Galchenyuk for RNH and Sekara or Nurse etc)

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ek has put up 2 seperate things about captain patch

1. to philly for sanheim and a 3rd...yeah right

2. a 3 way with colorado.

now since the avs apparently want a d for duchene, that might make some sense. would i do patch for duchene essentially? actually I would happily, however i think patchy has more trade value than that. now if theres something there where we end up with duchene AND landeskog, who was bandied about quite a bit last year as well in trade talks, I think we do that and giggle all the way. 

Im also with you guys on the RNH front, he fits our needs and it seems like edmonton basically HAS to trade him at this point.

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3 hours ago, jeff33 said:

ek has put up 2 seperate things about captain patch

1. to philly for sanheim and a 3rd...yeah right

2. a 3 way with colorado.

now since the avs apparently want a d for duchene, that might make some sense. would i do patch for duchene essentially? actually I would happily, however i think patchy has more trade value than that. now if theres something there where we end up with duchene AND landeskog, who was bandied about quite a bit last year as well in trade talks, I think we do that and giggle all the way. 

Im also with you guys on the RNH front, he fits our needs and it seems like edmonton basically HAS to trade him at this point.

I doubt everything that comes from Eklund, even if Philly and Montreal are the two teams he most likely has any real news about. That said, I agree with you for the most part: if we're going to swap out Pacman to get Duchene, we best be getting something else back. Pacman is a better scorer AND he's on the better contract. He's a more valuable commodity and a better player than Duchene. I wouldn't deal them one for one, but if we could get Duchene AND a top pairing left-handed D man, I'd think about it.

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