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27 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

. But count Alzner, Schlemko, Benn, Morrow, and maybe Jerabek as 5 guys who might not be in the NHL with any other team.

Alzner - the big UFA signing of the summer

Schlemko - left unprotected by SJ, Picked up by LV and traded to Montreal for a 5 th

Benn - Greg Pateryn was dealt by the Canadiens to the Dallas Stars along with a 4th round draft pick in the 2017 NHL Entry Draft for defenseman Jordie Benn 

Morrow - UFA signing .

Yup, after dismantling almost all of last year's D , MB  in a panic , signed all the UFA d men he could find .

And don't forget the big Mark Streit signing

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57 minutes ago, Windoe said:

Hey now...look at that...we're in 29th.  Much better to be here than say 25th or 26th. 

If we finish 29th, we'll be picking somewhere between 1st and 6th.  Too bad its a winger year (unless we pick 1st of course), but nonetheless, we'll pick up a good asset.

The goal is a top 5 pick, be it through finishing badly enough or winning the lottery. That way, you get one of Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, or Boqvist (and right now, that's my order, subject to change). If you get a D man with puck-moving ability, then that's a need. If you get a guy who's potentially a top-line winger, than so be it. You take best player available. The worst mistake would be to try and reach for a center who's ranked 10th-15th with a top 5 pick.

Let's say you get Zadina. So your wingers as it stands now are Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Lehkonen, Gallagher, Hudon, Scherbak, Byron, and Shaw. Throw in Zadina, and you have 10 guys who can potentially fill 6 spots in the top 9. Obviously, you want to keep your new top pick. I think you also work with Hudon, Scherbak, and Lehkonen, because all those guys are promising youngsters whose trade value probably isn't as high as their potential value to you down the line. But I think that reinforces the need and ability to trade Pacioretty and maybe Byron and Shaw. And it also begs the question of whether AG should be tried at RW or at 2C again. So potentially, if you can deal Pacioretty for a future 1C, then you can build around something like

 

Drouin-1C-Scherbak

Zadina-Galchenyuk-Gallagher (giving them weighted O-zone starts)

Lehkonen-Danault-Hudon

Carr-Byron-Shaw

That's a pretty young, fast, talented line-up of forwards, and you still have Poehling/Ikonen potentially coming up the ranks down the line. The major issue here is that you haven't addressed any of the problems with the D corps. Another potential solution then would be to deal Weber for a top 6 center and young D man, to fill two needs, and then trade Pacioretty for a #1 D man.

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The goal is a top 5 pick, be it through finishing badly enough or winning the lottery. That way, you get one of Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, or Boqvist (and right now, that's my order, subject to change). If you get a D man with puck-moving ability, then that's a need. If you get a guy who's potentially a top-line winger, than so be it. You take best player available. The worst mistake would be to try and reach for a center who's ranked 10th-15th with a top 5 pick.

Let's say you get Zadina. So your wingers as it stands now are Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Lehkonen, Gallagher, Hudon, Scherbak, Byron, and Shaw. Throw in Zadina, and you have 10 guys who can potentially fill 6 spots in the top 9. Obviously, you want to keep your new top pick. I think you also work with Hudon, Scherbak, and Lehkonen, because all those guys are promising youngsters whose trade value probably isn't as high as their potential value to you down the line. But I think that reinforces the need and ability to trade Pacioretty and maybe Byron and Shaw. And it also begs the question of whether AG should be tried at RW or at 2C again. So potentially, if you can deal Pacioretty for a future 1C, then you can build around something like

 

Drouin-1C-Scherbak

Zadina-Galchenyuk-Gallagher (giving them weighted O-zone starts)

Lehkonen-Danault-Hudon

Carr-Byron-Shaw

That's a pretty young, fast, talented line-up of forwards, and you still have Poehling/Ikonen potentially coming up the ranks down the line. The major issue here is that you haven't addressed any of the problems with the D corps. Another potential solution then would be to deal Weber for a top 6 center and young D man, to fill two needs, and then trade Pacioretty for a #1 D man.

 

 

 

Yep, we're not getting the results we want right now, but we're not too far away from having a decent talented young forward corps like you've outlined here, assuming we can get those centers, which I think we can.  I really think we can count on Scherbak to make the leap to a top 9 (if not top 6) winger.  

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1 hour ago, ChiLla said:

With Scherbak being sent down to the AHL, there's one less reason for me to watch the games. The move might be good for the tank though, we don't need skill to lose hockey games.

lets hope thats what it is because if this management group honestly thinks he's been worse than anyone ready to replace him then they all need to go. 

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5 hours ago, ChiLla said:

With Scherbak being sent down to the AHL, there's one less reason for me to watch the games. The move might be good for the tank though, we don't need skill to lose hockey games.

What is it with this organization?

He was a desperately needed breath of fresh air for this team - back to the usual STENCH!  :5785:

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Management still believes this team can make the playoffs . They have to make room for the return of Shaw and Danault .

What they should do is trade Plekanec ,  Shaw, Danault and Weber down for the year and then play the heck out of Scherbak, L Shaw, Michael McCarron, Daniel Carr, C Terry and A Cracknell to see if these guys have any future

 
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1 hour ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Deslauriers resigned to a two-year one-way extension. Renaud Lavoie saying it's worth $950,000 per season.

Gotta shore up that grit. :rolleyes: I don't have a problem with the extension. The kid has earned one. I don't understand the need to prioritize our 4th line guys and to give them anything more then 1 year at a time though. Baffling to me.

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This is the problem with the Scherbak move:

- Julien recently said "if Scherbak plays well like he has, he won't be going back to Laval." Then Scherbak elevates his level of play and he still gets demoted. So yet another lie from the organization. How can fans/media/players trust the coach and GM?

- We sent him down because he was waiver-exempt, sure. But there is really zero concern about losing Froese or Morrow or Logan Shaw. Or even Schlemko or Alzner. Who cares. I don't think any of them have any value on the market and if someone claims them, who really cares. These players make our team worse, so what's the point in trying to protect them from the waiver wire. We should have been happy to expose them.

- The real purpose of the rest of the season is to tank for a good pick but also to give our young guys experience. We failed miserably at doing this under Therrien, when we sat Beaulieu and Tinordi and Pateryn while playing Bouillon and Murray... we've done awfully at this trying to develop Galchenyuk and Hudon and others. So for Pete's sake, play the young guys. There is never going to be a better learning opportunity than now to give Mete 25 minutes a night and to play Scherbak in the top 6 and try Galchenyuk or Hudon at center. There is zero benefit to continuing to use Froese or Morrow or Schlemko or so on because these guys have no future here.

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56 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

This is the problem with the Scherbak move:

- Julien recently said "if Scherbak plays well like he has, he won't be going back to Laval." Then Scherbak elevates his level of play and he still gets demoted. So yet another lie from the organization. How can fans/media/players trust the coach and GM?

Yeah, i was wondering about this.   Callups/senddowns are GM moves. Makes you wonder if CJ was on board with this or if MB just say "this is the way it is Claude."

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