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No no and no to Plekanec. As I've said, he could be a useful bottom 6 player on a contender as a veteran. We're not there. We need to give ice time to younger guys to develop and it's a waste to continually re-hash the same players and coaches through our organization. This club needs to move forward, not back.

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Interesting quote from Brendan Kelly from the following article from the Gazette:

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/what-the-puck-geoff-molson-will-turn-around-canadiens-horror-show

As long as Marc Bergevin is general manager, the Canadiens will not thrive and, crazy as it sounds, I believe Molson will eventually come around to the same opinion. It won’t be this summer, but it will happen. You read it here first. He wants to win. That’s what he cares about most. Bergevin cares most about protecting his job.

Does he know something we don't know???

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1 hour ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

Interesting quote from Brendan Kelly from the following article from the Gazette:

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/what-the-puck-geoff-molson-will-turn-around-canadiens-horror-show

As long as Marc Bergevin is general manager, the Canadiens will not thrive and, crazy as it sounds, I believe Molson will eventually come around to the same opinion. It won’t be this summer, but it will happen. You read it here first. He wants to win. That’s what he cares about most. Bergevin cares most about protecting his job.

Does he know something we don't know???

I believe Molson will come around - although I do think there's an outside chance Bergevin 'luck into' success (ie, we draft dahlin, sign Tavares etc) but I dont think we will be successful unless Marc gets incredibly lucky.

The one thing I disagree with Kelly about is Bergevin's motivation. I think he wants to win.  I think he's incapable because he doesnt understand how today's NHL works.  Maybe we'll hire a hockey President or maybe MB will suddenly have an Eureka moment but i kind of doubt it.  

Therrien was a horrible coach and a petty man but I have zero doubt he was 100% motivated to win. He was ill-equipped to do so.    So while i dont think MB has the skill to build a winner, I have little doubt that he wants to. 

 

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13 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I believe Molson will come around - although I do think there's an outside chance Bergevin 'luck into' success (ie, we draft dahlin, sign Tavares etc) but I dont think we will be successful unless Marc gets incredibly lucky.

The one thing I disagree with Kelly about is Bergevin's motivation. I think he wants to win.  I think he's incapable because he doesnt understand how today's NHL works.  Maybe we'll hire a hockey President or maybe MB will suddenly have an Eureka moment but i kind of doubt it.  

Therrien was a horrible coach and a petty man but I have zero doubt he was 100% motivated to win. He was ill-equipped to do so.    So while i dont think MB has the skill to build a winner, I have little doubt that he wants to. 

 

You're right. I also don't doubt Bergevin's sincerity in wanting to win, but most of us know he is incompetent and that he is unable to do so unless he gets lucky.

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41 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I believe Molson will come around - although I do think there's an outside chance Bergevin 'luck into' success (ie, we draft dahlin, sign Tavares etc) but I dont think we will be successful unless Marc gets incredibly lucky.

Not to worry - Dahlin for Seabrook trade here we come!

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52 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I believe Molson will come around - although I do think there's an outside chance Bergevin 'luck into' success (ie, we draft dahlin, sign Tavares etc) but I dont think we will be successful unless Marc gets incredibly lucky.

The one thing I disagree with Kelly about is Bergevin's motivation. I think he wants to win.  I think he's incapable because he doesnt understand how today's NHL works.  Maybe we'll hire a hockey President or maybe MB will suddenly have an Eureka moment but i kind of doubt it.  

Therrien was a horrible coach and a petty man but I have zero doubt he was 100% motivated to win. He was ill-equipped to do so.    So while i dont think MB has the skill to build a winner, I have little doubt that he wants to. 

 

I agree ... I do absolutely think MB believes he's doing the right moves etc ... the problem is his vision and understanding of what makes a team successful is rooted in what he experienced during his playing days.    And the league has evolved ... heck, it's evolved even in the last 5 years from "Bigger team -> cup" to "fast team -> cup"

MT on the other hand, his ego and arrogance got in the way of him being able to win.     And I do think he did things out of pure spite even knowing the team would struggle.

 

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25 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

I agree ... I do absolutely think MB believes he's doing the right moves etc ... the problem is his vision and understanding of what makes a team successful is rooted in what he experienced during his playing days.    And the league has evolved ... heck, it's evolved even in the last 5 years from "Bigger team -> cup" to "fast team -> cup"

MT on the other hand, his ego and arrogance got in the way of him being able to win.     And I do think he did things out of pure spite even knowing the team would struggle.

 

Agreed. Stubbornness will often lead to power-tripping and a lack of objectivity.

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5 hours ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

Interesting quote from Brendan Kelly from the following article from the Gazette:

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/what-the-puck-geoff-molson-will-turn-around-canadiens-horror-show

As long as Marc Bergevin is general manager, the Canadiens will not thrive and, crazy as it sounds, I believe Molson will eventually come around to the same opinion. It won’t be this summer, but it will happen. You read it here first. He wants to win. That’s what he cares about most. Bergevin cares most about protecting his job.

Does he know something we don't know???

But Molson has no clue.  A real leader acknowledges his own areas of weakness and lack of expertise, and delegates his weak areas to others with proven superior expertise.

Yes, we keep harping about why doesn't he fire Bergevin.  But the other critical question is: has Molson honestly appraised his own performance as President of Hockey Operations?  Has he bench-marked himself to other Presidents in the league? No, his self-appointment is merely a symbolic ceremonial gesture to fans to show he is "committed and cares". ;) But he doesn't show accountability as President, and refuses to appoint a better qualified person to do the job! That means he himself believes he's doing a good job as President.  Now you see why Molson and Bergevin are such great buddies? :lol: 

At the end of the day, Molson truly sees himself as just as hands-off owner.  Revenue and profitability are his main goals as an investor! Everything falls onto his plate nicely, because there are always people willing pay expensive prices for a mediocre product he endorses. 

You guys place too much faith on Geoff Molson.  My observations over 6 years and gut instincts tell me, when it comes to winning the Cup at ALL COSTS, this Molson can't compare to his predecessors.  Everything else is just lip service and giving politically correct soundbites. B)

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On 4/27/2018 at 5:11 PM, PuckPundit said:

Yes, we keep harping about why doesn't he fire Bergevin.  But the other critical question is: has Molson honestly appraised his own performance as President of Hockey Operations?  Has he bench-marked himself to other Presidents in the league? No, his self-appointment is merely a symbolic ceremonial gesture to fans to show he is "committed and cares". ;) But he doesn't show accountability as President, and refuses to appoint a better qualified person to do the job! That means he himself believes he's doing a good job as President.  Now you see why Molson and Bergevin are such great buddies? :lol: 

This is a good point.  Ive heard lots of people saying molson should sell the team but honestly ownership shouldnt ever be an issue.  If an owner is not a "hockey mind" then he should hire someone who is.   The problem isnt Geoff Molson the owner, its Geoff Molson the president - a position he should not hold -  and never should have held. 

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51 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Does anyone know the person(s) who have been mainly responsible for our pro scouting for the past few years? Has this changed at all moving into this off-season?

Eric Crawford is director of pro scouting,  Scott Master, Reid Simpson and Sean Burke are all listed as "pro scouting - west"  Dave Starman is our NCAA scout and David Maclean is a just listed as a "scout"   Interesting that we have 3 guys covering the west & none specifically designated east.  Maybe they do it by committee in the east. 

Either way though, the way Marc Bergevin apparently micromanages & seems to have a " i have final say on that " philosophy, its tough to say how good or bad any of them are if they are getting vetoed. 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

Eric Crawford is director of pro scouting,  Scott Master, Reid Simpson and Sean Burke are all listed as "pro scouting - west"  Dave Starman is our NCAA scout and David Maclean is a just listed as a "scout"   Interesting that we have 3 guys covering the west & none specifically designated east.  Maybe they do it by committee in the east. 

Either way though, the way Marc Bergevin apparently micromanages & seems to have a " i have final say on that " philosophy, its tough to say how good or bad any of them are if they are getting vetoed. 

We don't need scouts. We just need someone to sit in an office to do backgound checks for grit, character and attitude.

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On 4/27/2018 at 8:11 PM, PuckPundit said:

But Molson has no clue.  A real leader acknowledges his own areas of weakness and lack of expertise, and delegates his weak areas to others with proven superior expertise.

Yes, we keep harping about why doesn't he fire Bergevin.  But the other critical question is: has Molson honestly appraised his own performance as President of Hockey Operations?  Has he bench-marked himself to other Presidents in the league? No, his self-appointment is merely a symbolic ceremonial gesture to fans to show he is "committed and cares". ;) But he doesn't show accountability as President, and refuses to appoint a better qualified person to do the job! That means he himself believes he's doing a good job as President.  Now you see why Molson and Bergevin are such great buddies? :lol: 

At the end of the day, Molson truly sees himself as just as hands-off owner.  Revenue and profitability are his main goals as an investor! Everything falls onto his plate nicely, because there are always people willing pay expensive prices for a mediocre product he endorses. 

You guys place too much faith on Geoff Molson.  My observations over 6 years and gut instincts tell me, when it comes to winning the Cup at ALL COSTS, this Molson can't compare to his predecessors.  Everything else is just lip service and giving politically correct soundbites. B)

Very well said. I think you got the crux of the whole situation unfortunately.

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Montreal fans are in a foul mood with the Canadiens out of the playoffs for the second time in three seasons.

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/what-the-puck-habs-return-to-glory-a-matter-of-dollars-and-sense

It is impossible to exaggerate the bitterness felt by Habs fans.

Many of us are watching some mighty exciting playoff hockey and as we see the best players in the world engage in the war of attrition that is the never-ending NHL post-season, we think of just how far our Montreal Canadiens are from teams like the Winnipeg Jets, Nashville Predators, Boston Bruins, Tampa Bay Lightning, Vegas Golden Knights, San Jose Sharks, Washington Capitals and the Pittsburgh Penguins.

The Habs are not even close. The team has missed two of the last three playoffs and only lasted one round last year, a sorry result for any team and a downright unacceptable one for a franchise that used to be part of the NHL elite. So fans are just a wee bit grumpy.

Jimmy Zoubris, adviser to Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante and owner of a famous paper store on Parc Ave., sent me a message on Facebook on Wednesday, noting it was the sixth anniversary of the hiring of Marc Bergevin as the Canadiens’ general manager, and Zoubris suggested I have a cold one on him to celebrate the day. I quipped I was thinking more like downing several shots of hard liquor to survive the day.

Zoubris went on to say: “I am watching teams like Nashville, Tampa, Boston, forget Vegas (they’re a freak of nature), and the Habs can’t match up with any of them … too fast — top lines too good.” And that’s exactly how we all feel.

There was a brief upswing of optimism when it was announced last week the Habs had hired the well-respected Dominique Ducharme as an assistant coach, especially since the news came only a day before the draft lottery, with the Canadiens holding a 9.5-per-cent chance of snaring the No. 1 pick. As you know, Montreal ended up with the third pick, which is a great pick to have, but most observers feel you won’t be nabbing a player who will make an immediate impact at that position.

One of the things that continues to gnaw away at fans is the fact the team started the season $8 million below the NHL salary cap. And Bergevin never spent that money, even though by Christmas it was pretty obvious to everyone but him the team needed some immediate help if there was any hope of making the playoffs.

A friend told me this week he was hearing a lot of discontent from season-ticket holders, with these faithful fans — the backbone of the finances of the team — grumbling they pay big bucks to watch what is often a pretty mediocre show at the Bell Centre. And those fans are increasingly wondering why they bother when team owner, president and CEO Geoff Molson doesn’t even spend all the money he can to make sure he fields a competitive team.

So was that $8 million a budget cut? And if it wasn’t, what’s the explanation for not spending the money, especially given, as reported by Forbes, Montreal is the third-most valuable NHL team ($1.25 billion, all figures in U.S. dollars), behind only the New York Rangers and the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Habs made a profit of $92 million during the 2016-17 season, second only to the Rangers. What’s significant here is the Canadiens made a profit of $92 million in a season in which they were eliminated in the first round by a middling Rangers team. In other words, the Habs made a load of cash even if they didn’t do well in the playoffs.

What’s the message to the owners of the Canadiens? That it’s nice to be in the playoffs and bring your corporate buddies to post-season games, but you don’t need to be there to make big bucks.

Which brings us to the other theme dear to the hearts of broken-hearted Habs fans — the mystery of why Molson has not fired Bergevin six years into the GM’s failed five-year plan. What if that is also simply a question of dollars and cents, many fans suggest. In possibly the most notable moment in recent Habs history, Molson — for unfathomable reasons — re-signed Bergevin in late 2015 to a contract extension through the 2021-22 season.

We don’t know what Bergevin earns, but let’s say $4 million to be conservative. So if you fire him today, that’ll cost you $16 million. But it gets worse. Then you need to hire another GM at roughly the same salary. And most new GMs want to bring in their own coach. So boom, you have to fire Claude Julien and that’ll set you back another $20 million. You’re basically tossing $36 million into the garbage if you fire Bergevin.

That’s what fans are talking about in the bars and coffee shops. That maybe, just maybe, the Habs’ woes are, in the end, simply a matter of dollars and cents. That the Habs are mediocre because it costs more to be excellent.

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Not sure I agree with it being dollars as the main reason for not caning MB. The damage, dollar wise, from fielding a mediocre product would dwarf that amount in the long run IMO.

If Molson is that short sighted, then he deserves what's about to go down for this franchise. These fans are not like Leaf fans,. they will leave in droves if the product doesn't improve. I had a couple chances to go watch these guys this year, and normally I would have jumped at it, being what I consider a staunch supporter. I passed both times and have  no inclination to go next year if there's no drastic change. I would consider myself a strong barometer  when it comes to how fans perceive this current team.

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2 hours ago, H_T_L said:

Not sure I agree with it being dollars as the main reason for not caning MB. The damage, dollar wise, from fielding a mediocre product would dwarf that amount in the long run IMO.

If Molson is that short sighted, then he deserves what's about to go down for this franchise. These fans are not like Leaf fans,. they will leave in droves if the product doesn't improve. I had a couple chances to go watch these guys this year, and normally I would have jumped at it, being what I consider a staunch supporter. I passed both times and have  no inclination to go next year if there's no drastic change. I would consider myself a strong barometer  when it comes to how fans perceive this current team.

It seems to me that Molson has put all his eggs in one basket, and he seems to just be wishing for the best. But you're right, Habs fans are a different breed altogether and will not tolerate or accept a mediocre, under-performing product. Time will tell how long Molson and his GM will try to continue to hoodwink the fans.

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From the above article:

"Many of us are watching some mighty exciting playoff hockey and as we see the best players in the world engage in the war of attrition that is the never-ending NHL post-season, we think of just how far our Montreal Canadiens are from teams like the Winnipeg Jets, Nashville Predators, Boston Bruins, Tampa Bay Lightning, Vegas Golden Knights, San Jose Sharks, Washington Capitals and the Pittsburgh Penguins."

Was just thinking, a few hrs. ago: How bad would the Habs look against any of the teams in this 2nd round?

Embarrassing? Worse?

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11 minutes ago, rocketbelifleur said:

From the above article:

"Many of us are watching some mighty exciting playoff hockey and as we see the best players in the world engage in the war of attrition that is the never-ending NHL post-season, we think of just how far our Montreal Canadiens are from teams like the Winnipeg Jets, Nashville Predators, Boston Bruins, Tampa Bay Lightning, Vegas Golden Knights, San Jose Sharks, Washington Capitals and the Pittsburgh Penguins."

Was just thinking, a few hrs. ago: How bad would the Habs look against any of the teams in this 2nd round?

Embarrassing? Worse?

Unless our goalie stood on his head I dont think we'd win a game against any of them right now. 

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