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2 hours ago, campabee82 said:

I agree he should have gotten more for his hit. I also agree that he should have gotten a 5 minute major on the play but Brian Burke pointed out on HNIC last night that the rules do not allow for a 5 minute major for a hit to the head it's either 2 minutes or a match penalty. That needs to be fixed.

It will never happen. Bettman is in Jacob's pocket. 

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9 hours ago, campabee82 said:

I agree he should have gotten more for his hit. I also agree that he should have gotten a 5 minute major on the play but Brian Burke pointed out on HNIC last night that the rules do not allow for a 5 minute major for a hit to the head it's either 2 minutes or a match penalty. That needs to be fixed.

Again, that's more whining from the guys protecting the aggressors. Who cares? It should have been a match penalty. A match penalty means McAvoy receives a 5 minute major and is thrown out of the game, with the possibility of suspension afterwards. That's exactly what he deserved. Is Burke arguing that McAvoy should have been given a 5 minute major and allowed to come back into the game? I don't see the rationale for that, and saying the refs went light only cause they couldn't do that doesn't fly. McAvoy deserved to be tossed for a dirty and dangerous hit, and it's BS to have guys like Burke trying to protect them and worry that we're over-penalizing dangerous offenders like that.

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2 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Again, that's more whining from the guys protecting the aggressors. Who cares? It should have been a match penalty. A match penalty means McAvoy receives a 5 minute major and is thrown out of the game, with the possibility of suspension afterwards. That's exactly what he deserved. Is Burke arguing that McAvoy should have been given a 5 minute major and allowed to come back into the game? I don't see the rationale for that, and saying the refs went light only cause they couldn't do that doesn't fly. McAvoy deserved to be tossed for a dirty and dangerous hit, and it's BS to have guys like Burke trying to protect them and worry that we're over-penalizing dangerous offenders like that.

No what Burke was saying was that if he had gotten the match penalty the league probably wouldn't have looked at the hit cause they would have felt that it would have basically equated to a 1 game suspension, I agree with you it was dangerous and dirty and he should of gotten at least 2-3 games was just stating what the rules allowed for.

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3 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

No what Burke was saying was that if he had gotten the match penalty the league probably wouldn't have looked at the hit cause they would have felt that it would have basically equated to a 1 game suspension, I agree with you it was dangerous and dirty and he should of gotten at least 2-3 games was just stating what the rules allowed for.

Which is also stupid... again, it's fluff on top of fluff with respect to Burke's arguments:

- we only gave him 2 cause we didn't have the option of giving 5 without also ejecting him

- we didn't want to eject him because then we wouldn't be able to suspend him

- suspending a guy in the ECF for one game is like giving him 6 games in the regular season

All of that is just utter crap. There is zero reason McAvoy wasn't ejected AND suspended. He deserved both. And there is zero reason you couldn't give him 3 games, the same way you would in the regular season... it's all made up stuff from the DOPS to protect the offending player because the league doesn't want guys missing too many games. No concern over the players who get hurt and how that affects them... does anyone think McAvoy will think twice the next time he lines up a hit if he only misses one Game 1 but had his team advance to the next round without consequence? I don't. But if he had been ejected and his team lost and then he missed Game 7 and missed two games of the next series (if they made it), you can be sure Boston players, coaches, fans, and media would all hold it against him a little more and make him a bit more remorseful for what he did.

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The whole Brian Burke thing was disappointing to hear. As a fan of the sport, I don't want the league giving added weight to playoff games and reducing the amount someone is suspended by. That, in combination with the referees's inability to appropriately officiate a playoff game, just leads to more dirty garbage in the game. The bar has been set. You can now blindside someone to the head for a two-minute minor and a one-game suspension. Or does that go down to just a two-minute minor in round three? How does Burke's scaling system work again? :rolleyes: The incentive is: Go blindside hit someone in the hit now because the reward, if you can injure them, is greater than the penalty.

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I never thought I'd see the day where officiating in hockey would be the worst of all professional sports. But alas, that day has arrived.  

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2 hours ago, habs1952 said:

I never thought I'd see the day where officiating in hockey would be the worst of all professional sports. But alas, that day has arrived.  

It's truly terrible. Does any other professional sport have such a discrepancy between the way a game is officiated between the regular season and playoffs?

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7 hours ago, habs1952 said:

I never thought I'd see the day where officiating in hockey would be the worst of all professional sports. But alas, that day has arrived.  

I think it's been the worst for a good while now. The NFL has had its moments, but overall hockey is way worse just in terms of how inconsistent they are. And it's flagrant things too... like the play where Carey gets dragged into the corner by a Ranger and they don't rule that it interfered with his ability to play goal. Come on. You have a friggin replay that is obvious to everyone everywhere. How they come to some of these decisions is mind-boggling and has nothing to do with the game being tough to ref. There is zero reason your refs and replay crew shouldn't get that call right.

In general, other sports get it wrong less often. You look at baseball and maybe you can argue with an ump's calls and how big their strike zone is, but most umps tend to give a similar strike zone to different pitchers/hitters. You might not agree with what it is, but it tends to be reasonably consistent. In the NFL, they've had issues with some interpretations of pass interference, but for the most part they get a lot of the calls right. Basketball I think tends to be better too, and soccer is maybe the best of all of them consistency-wise, and they have a one-ref system.

For me, it's the lack of consistency in hockey and then also the cocky non-chalance with which the league office writes off any of the complaints about it. Make your refs accountable, make them available to the media... some refs even want a chance to explain their calls and I think that would help everyone involved. Let the ref say "I didn't see it" or "I got the call wrong cause I had a bad angle" or "Marchand clearly took a dive when I saw it on replay but it was hard to ascertain in full speed." At least tell fans what the reason was.

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McAvoy suspended one game for actions in Bruins game vs. Blue Jackets.

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2 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

McAvoy suspended one game for actions in Bruins game vs. Blue Jackets.

And the NHL wonders why they're always fighting an uphill battle to attract fans. 

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The suspension of Los Angeles Kings defenseman Vyacheslav Voynov has been upheld.  He has been credited at the same time with 41 games served.  The suspension runs through the middle of next season.  

 

 

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Sundqvist to have hearing for actions in Stanley Cup Final Game 2

Blues forward facing discipline for boarding Bruins defenseman Grzelcyk

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14 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Sundqvist to have hearing for actions in Stanley Cup Final Game 2

Blues forward facing discipline for boarding Bruins defenseman Grzelcyk

Probably gone for a game. Bad hit. Should have been used on Marchand. <sigh> 

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2 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

Sundqvist to have hearing for actions in Stanley Cup Final Game 2

Blues forward facing discipline for boarding Bruins defenseman Grzelcyk

Grzelcyk left with an undisclosed injury and is day to day.  

 

 

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On 5/30/2019 at 0:41 PM, kinot-2 said:

Sundqvist to have hearing for actions in Stanley Cup Final Game 2

Blues forward facing discipline for boarding Bruins defenseman Grzelcyk

Sundqvist suspended for Game 3.  

 

 

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NHL.com.  St. Louis defenseman Ivan Barbashev will have a hearing for an illegal check to the head of Boston forward Marcus Johansson at 5:24 of the first period.  No penalty was called.  

 

 

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Barbashev got one game and will not play in Game 6.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, CANADIENS27 said:

Barbashev got one game and will not play in Game 6.  

 

 

Well sense Marchand got that game for punching a guy in the head while on his knees back turned after the play , I guess that's fair.......oh wait Marchand got nothing , but Boston whines about officiating? Good thing that Boston player that had the knee on knee got severe punishment that way Kadri had no reason to go after him and get suspended himself......what another Boston player nothing happened......

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34 minutes ago, CaptWelly said:

Well sense Marchand got that game for punching a guy in the head while on his knees back turned after the play , I guess that's fair.......oh wait Marchand got nothing , but Boston whines about officiating? Good thing that Boston player that had the knee on knee got severe punishment that way Kadri had no reason to go after him and get suspended himself......what another Boston player nothing happened......

In all fairness I didn't think that the contact on Kadri was a suspendable play I feel more like Kadri cause the issue himself by trying to jump/spin out of the way. However the Marchand punch was definitely a suspendable play among many others that were not called.

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10 hours ago, campabee82 said:

In all fairness I didn't think that the contact on Kadri was a suspendable play I feel more like Kadri cause the issue himself by trying to jump/spin out of the way. However the Marchand punch was definitely a suspendable play among many others that were not called.

True enough , though in that game the officiating is directly what caused the eventual Kadri incident. The refs let that game get way out of hand early. Even if you a fan of the old Flyers you could of questioned all that went on in that game. A great example of put the whistles away and with no enforcers today it's open season on every teams star players if the refs don't intervene. At least years ago someone would answer to McSorely if you took cheap shots at Gretsky , or Probert would do the same for Yszerman. The Marchand punch though not violent "back in the day" Marchand would of paid for it.

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2 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

True enough , though in that game the officiating is directly what caused the eventual Kadri incident. The refs let that game get way out of hand early. Even if you a fan of the old Flyers you could of questioned all that went on in that game. A great example of put the whistles away and with no enforcers today it's open season on every teams star players if the refs don't intervene. At least years ago someone would answer to McSorely if you took cheap shots at Gretsky , or Probert would do the same for Yszerman. The Marchand punch though not violent "back in the day" Marchand would of paid for it.

I agree totally there has to be more consistent calls and play has to be made safer. I don't think going back to enforcers is the answer but if the refs aren't going to do their jobs maybe that's the way to go

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