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4 hours ago, maas_art said:

I think Olofsson is going to be a sleeper pick.  He's projecting as  3rd line centre at worst but there's a decent chance he turns into a Plekanec with size - ie, Mikko Koivu type.  Id be all for that. 

Yeah I'm really excited about him. His points in the Allsvenskan were no joke, especially considering he was a shutdown center on the best team in the league. His coaches speak really highly of him too and think he has room to grow offensively. Even if he ends up as another Lars Eller I'd be thrilled with getting that so late in the 3rd round.

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On ‎2018‎-‎06‎-‎28 at 2:17 PM, maas_art said:

 

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I think you should re-visit some of your numbers as they are not accurate.

He may or may not have been the top center in the draft but I don't think we should have used a top 3 pick for him...

Here are a few 17 year olds that have played in the Liiga League. 

Although he did have pretty good numbers for a 17 year old, there have been much better over the years.

Even our own Lehkonen has had better numbers then Kots at 17. And he has not been lighting up the NHL. 

Player Age  Pos GP G A P PIM +/- PPG SHG GWG G/GP A/GP P/GP
Aleksander Barkov 17 F 53 21 27 48 8 18 9 0 1 0.396 0.509 0.906
Patrik Laine 17 F 46 17 16 33 6 6 9 0 4 0.37 0.348 0.717
Artturi Lehkonen 17 F 45 14 16 30 12 12 3 0 4 0.311 0.356 0.667
Jesse Puljujärvi 17 F 50 13 15 28 22 5 7 0 3 0.26 0.3 0.56
Jesperi Kotkaniemi 17 F 57 10 18 28 20 -1 2 0 3 0.175 0.316 0.491
Juuso Ikonen 17 F 57 13 13 26 4 1 3 0 0 0.228 0.228 0.456
Teuvo Teräväinen 17 F 40 11 7 18 6 -5 5 0 1 0.275 0.175 0.45
Sebastian Aho 17 F 30 4 9 13 8 6 0 0 0 0.133 0.3 0.433
Kasperi Kapanen 17 F 47 7 7 14 10 -8 2 0 0 0.149 0.149 0.298
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1 hour ago, caperns61 said:

I think you should re-visit some of your numbers as they are not accurate.

He may or may not have been the top center in the draft but I don't think we should have used a top 3 pick for him...

Here are a few 17 year olds that have played in the Liiga League. 

Although he did have pretty good numbers for a 17 year old, there have been much better over the years.

Even our own Lehkonen has had better numbers then Kots at 17. And he has not been lighting up the NHL. 

Player Age  Pos GP G A P PIM +/- PPG SHG GWG G/GP A/GP P/GP
Aleksander Barkov 17 F 53 21 27 48 8 18 9 0 1 0.396 0.509 0.906
Patrik Laine 17 F 46 17 16 33 6 6 9 0 4 0.37 0.348 0.717
Artturi Lehkonen 17 F 45 14 16 30 12 12 3 0 4 0.311 0.356 0.667
Jesse Puljujärvi 17 F 50 13 15 28 22 5 7 0 3 0.26 0.3 0.56
Jesperi Kotkaniemi 17 F 57 10 18 28 20 -1 2 0 3 0.175 0.316 0.491
Juuso Ikonen 17 F 57 13 13 26 4 1 3 0 0 0.228 0.228 0.456
Teuvo Teräväinen 17 F 40 11 7 18 6 -5 5 0 1 0.275 0.175 0.45
Sebastian Aho 17 F 30 4 9 13 8 6 0 0 0 0.133 0.3 0.433
Kasperi Kapanen 17 F 47 7 7 14 10 -8 2 0 0 0.149 0.149 0.298

So both set of numbers can be correct. The first set is points per 60 minutes of ice time, and they're usually based on points at ES or 5v5, although they can be in all situations. Your point list is points per game. The first set is a reflection of what a player does with the ice time they are given, whereas points per game is more of a real life scenario without correcting for how much ice they get or in what situations.

If you look at the NHL, you could say Player X put up 60 points but he did it getting 15 minutes of ES time per game. Player Y might only put up 40 points in a season but he might do so playing only 7.5 minutes of ES time per game. So Player X puts up more points in the year and more points per season but Player Y puts up more points per ice time given. Take your pick as to what you think is more important. You could extrapolate and say Player Y would score more than Player X if given the same opportunity, or you could argue Player X did more in absolute terms. But yes, you guys could both be correct with your numbers and spin the data different ways.

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