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3 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

First off, are there any players that may be able to play center? I'm thinking Hudon for one and watching Agostino play and want to control the puck, I wonder if he could do it.

Frankly I wonder if Domi could be more effective coming of the wing

splitting up Drouin and Domi has to be tried... and IMHO the way to do it would be to have 4 lines that are rotated almost equally... with the exception of the power play and penalty kill of course. I'd try this...

Domi-Danault-Gallagher
Tatar-Kotkaniemi-Armia
Drouin-Hudon-Lehkonen
Byron-Chaput-Agostino

Deslaurier, Peca

I understand the thought process here but Danault is not a 1st line center. My thought was similar to others as we could literally through out any combination of Tatar, Gallagher, Domi, Drouin, Kotkaniemi, Hudon, Lehkonen, Byron, Danault and Shaw when healthy and have 2 or 3 very solid lines. The key will be to find that magical combination that pushes the habs to the next level which is winning a playoff series. So consider this shake up

Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher

Drouin-Domi-Tatar

Byron-Danault-Hudon

Agostino-Chaput-Armia

I think the duo's that have been working can work again with just minor tweaks at a time that's why I proposed keeping both Drouin-Domi and Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi together inserting Gallager and Tatar on their wings provides net front presence for both lines and the Third line is fast and defensively responsible with both Byron and Hudon possibly adding depth scoring across a third line. Agostino-Chaput can be paired with any of the remaining forwards to create that 4th line energy we love to see from them but I went with Armia cause I think if he is on that line his points would see a significant increase. On a side note when Shaw gets back I would have a trade set to go so that waiving anyone wouldn't be required. As for the D we need to waive/Trade Alzner fast so that CJ doesn't have the option of inserting him EVER again.

Mete-Weber

Kulak-Petry

Reilly-Juulsen 

Benn

1st PP

Domi-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher

Hudon-Reilly

2nd PP

Drouin-Danault-Tatar

Kulak-Weber

The first PP then has 2 Players to drive the net and establish pressure JK as puck distributor he also has that wickedly deceptive wrist shot and Hudon and Reilly to help move the puck around and get shots on net. The second will maintain pressure as Drouin is good at gaining entry if lost and moving the puck Kulak can recover if the puck gets away Weber has the Bomb Tatar will drive the net and Danault just simply wins draws consistently getting possession. 

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8 hours ago, campabee82 said:

I understand the thought process here but Danault is not a 1st line center. My thought was similar to others as we could literally through out any combination of Tatar, Gallagher, Domi, Drouin, Kotkaniemi, Hudon, Lehkonen, Byron, Danault and Shaw when healthy and have 2 or 3 very solid lines. The key will be to find that magical combination that pushes the habs to the next level which is winning a playoff series. So consider this shake up

Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher; Drouin-Domi-Tatar; Byron-Danault-Hudon; Agostino-Chaput-Armia

I think the duo's that have been working can work again with just minor tweaks at a time that's why I proposed keeping both Drouin-Domi and Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi together inserting Gallager and Tatar on their wings provides net front presence for both lines and the Third line is fast and defensively responsible with both Byron and Hudon possibly adding depth scoring across a third line. Agostino-Chaput can be paired with any of the remaining forwards to create that 4th line energy we love to see from them but I went with Armia cause I think if he is on that line his points would see a significant increase. On a side note when Shaw gets back I would have a trade set to go so that waiving anyone wouldn't be required. As for the D we need to waive/Trade Alzner fast so that CJ doesn't have the option of inserting him EVER again.

Mete-Weber; Kulak-Petry; Reilly-Juulsen; Benn

1st PP: Domi-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher; Hudon-Reilly; 2nd PP: Drouin-Danault-Tatar; Kulak-Weber

The first PP then has 2 Players to drive the net and establish pressure JK as puck distributor he also has that wickedly deceptive wrist shot and Hudon and Reilly to help move the puck around and get shots on net. The second will maintain pressure as Drouin is good at gaining entry if lost and moving the puck Kulak can recover if the puck gets away Weber has the Bomb Tatar will drive the net and Danault just simply wins draws consistently getting possession. 

I see your reluctance, as with many others it seems, to separate Domi and Drouin. The point of the exercise I undertook was to enable the separation of the two. IMHO, Domi like Drouin before him is not the answer as a defacto #1 center. As, and if, we wait for Kotkaniemi to develop, as seems to be the case, then Danault remains the best two-way center playing for the Habs right now (if Shaw was available he could be the next best bet perhaps). Curious that you do use Danault as the second PP center although you pencil him in as a 3rd. It is also interesting that you do not have Petry on either PP unit (? explain). At this point I do not believe mixing and matching players to form a power-play group is the way to go... I'd simply continue to roll the lines and d-pairings to maintain cohesive units throughout the games.

In my suggestion I tried to spread out the talent, skill, experience and work ethic of the forwards.

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1 hour ago, jeff33 said:

wow ,of all combinations possible we made the worst ones,nice julien

Swap Domi and Danault and it wouldn't be bad... you'd keep Domi-Drouin together but give them the Gallagher sparkplug and that's line 1; JK's line becomes the clear 2, and Danault slides to 3. The problem is that CJ overvalues Danault's offensive ability when he is and should be the 3C.

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8 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

I see your reluctance, as with many others it seems, to separate Domi and Drouin. The point of the exercise I undertook was to enable the separation of the two. IMHO, Domi like Drouin before him is not the answer as a defacto #1 center. As, and if, we wait for Kotkaniemi to develop, as seems to be the case, then Danault remains the best two-way center playing for the Habs right now (if Shaw was available he could be the next best bet perhaps). Curious that you do use Danault as the second PP center although you pencil him in as a 3rd. It is also interesting that you do not have Petry on either PP unit (? explain). At this point I do not believe mixing and matching players to form a power-play group is the way to go... I'd simply continue to roll the lines and d-pairings to maintain cohesive units throughout the games.

In my suggestion I tried to spread out the talent, skill, experience and work ethic of the forwards.

1 it's not really Domi-Drouin that I was reluctant to separate it was more Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi and Agostino-Chaput bit I got what you were doing.

2 I have Danault on the 2nd PP cause our other 2 centers JK and Domi are on the first unit and I was trying to separate Domi Drouin a bit to see how they would do apart then if that works out we can make the change on a perminate basis

3 I had  Reilly on the first unit cause he actually has the best PP numbers of our D. And Weber is on the 2nd unit so I didn't want the first pairing after the PP to have to be our 3rd pairing thus Petry not on the PP but if you wanted him slotted in you could take Hudon off the first unit slide Reilly over and put Petry on the right.

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3 hours ago, tony5775 said:

Those terrible lines got a 3-0 win. It was time for a change up. Wow what a great win. Shame an anything goes thread not on this  site. 

I was all for a change, glad we won. if danault gets 2 assists every night cool. he wont. domi needs better wingers

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5 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

IMO Domi, like Drouin, needs to play the wing...

I actually like Domi at center. To be a good center you don't have to put up big numbers every night. I like his defensive awareness. He helps out down low and back checks, his coverage for a center is what it needs to be. I'd like to see him with Tatar (good skill set) and Gallagher (great worker) . I believe these would be good wingers for him to work off of. Keep Drioun with JK .

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10 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

IMO Domi, like Drouin, needs to play the wing...

 

4 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

I actually like Domi at center. To be a good center you don't have to put up big numbers every night. I like his defensive awareness. He helps out down low and back checks, his coverage for a center is what it needs to be. I'd like to see him with Tatar (good skill set) and Gallagher (great worker) . I believe these would be good wingers for him to work off of. Keep Drioun with JK .

I'm also happy with the job Domi has done as a center. At some point down the line, maybe Domi moves to wing if other young centers surpass him, but for now, he's the best center on the team and he's produced at both ends. The only thing I'd like to see is for him to stop taking dumb penalties. Any time he takes a hit or a slash or whatever it is, he loses all focus on the game and just goes nuts trying to run the guy who hit him.

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The coach's favourites: Deslaurier, Danault, Agostino and Schlemko, will always get a slot regardless of effectiveness.  That's why this team is always handicapped by poor coaching deployment.  What's mind boggling is how an experienced coach like Julien cannot see the obvious that armchair fans like ourselves see during play on ice.  My only conclusion is he stubbornly refuses to see the obvious, which is why his old school coaching methods have been left behind by the game's evolution.  

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19 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

 

I'm also happy with the job Domi has done as a center. At some point down the line, maybe Domi moves to wing if other young centers surpass him, but for now, he's the best center on the team and he's produced at both ends. The only thing I'd like to see is for him to stop taking dumb penalties. Any time he takes a hit or a slash or whatever it is, he loses all focus on the game and just goes nuts trying to run the guy who hit him.

I agree with that completely he can get off his game. We need him on the ice not in the box. I will say though for someone who is skilled and actually small he is tough and will stand up for himself which I do like. He just has to be smart about it and not let players get him off his game.

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2 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

With Byron suspended for three games and Shaw still injured, who draws in... Hudon or Peca?

You would hope Hudon draws into the top 9, since he's the only top 9 player we have not currently in the top 9. And you would also hope that Peca draws in for any one of the three current 4th liners we have, all of whom have been abysmal over the past couple of weeks. Chaput and Agostino really performed well when first called up, but they have become liabilities of late, and we don't need to further discuss how bad Deslauriers has been. Would be hard to believe the Habs could throw untalented players onto the 3rd line ahead of a skill player like Hudon, but anything is possible. With Byron out, I'd go

Drouin-Domi-Gallagher

Tatar-Kotkaniemi-Hudon

Lehkonen-Danault-Armia

Agostino-Peca-Chaput

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2 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

You would hope Hudon draws into the top 9, since he's the only top 9 player we have not currently in the top 9. And you would also hope that Peca draws in for any one of the three current 4th liners we have, all of whom have been abysmal over the past couple of weeks. Chaput and Agostino really performed well when first called up, but they have become liabilities of late, and we don't need to further discuss how bad Deslauriers has been. Would be hard to believe the Habs could throw untalented players onto the 3rd line ahead of a skill player like Hudon, but anything is possible. With Byron out, I'd go

Drouin-Domi-Gallagher

Tatar-Kotkaniemi-Hudon

Lehkonen-Danault-Armia

Agostino-Peca-Chaput

I agree but I may swap Peca and Chaput cause Peca isn't that great at center.

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11 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I agree but I may swap Peca and Chaput cause Peca isn't that great at center.

I think it's a toss-up. Chaput is stronger, but Peca is a better skater. If you look at face-offs, Chaput is at 51% for the year and Peca's at 49% but they're not that far off of each other. Looking at it another way, Chaput has won 6 more faceoffs than he has lost. Peca has lost 4 more than he has won. One game either way could swing those numbers in Peca's favor pretty quickly. Peca also won 57% of his draws with Tampa last year, which is an outstanding number, so I'm not overly concerned about his ability there.

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We all know Peca will slot in next game with Byron out. For whatever reason, Hudon is at the bottom of the pecking order with CJ. The only question remaining is does he slot in the top 9 or does he move up Agostino? It won't be Chaput because he plays center and even CJ is not stupid enough to move up Dlo.

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22 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

I think it's a toss-up. Chaput is stronger, but Peca is a better skater. If you look at face-offs, Chaput is at 51% for the year and Peca's at 49% but they're not that far off of each other. Looking at it another way, Chaput has won 6 more faceoffs than he has lost. Peca has lost 4 more than he has won. One game either way could swing those numbers in Peca's favor pretty quickly. Peca also won 57% of his draws with Tampa last year, which is an outstanding number, so I'm not overly concerned about his ability there.

I just didn't realize they were that close so it doesn't matter then lol

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11 hours ago, H_T_L said:

We all know Peca will slot in next game with Byron out. For whatever reason, Hudon is at the bottom of the pecking order with CJ. The only question remaining is does he slot in the top 9 or does he move up Agostino? It won't be Chaput because he plays center and even CJ is not stupid enough to move up Dlo.

I wouldn't doubt this may be what happens. IMO Peca may be the closest thing in terms of speed that compares to Byron. And he can play both wing and center apparently, which could be a plus in his favor. It also depends on which team they are facing when it comes to dressing Deslauriers... so regarding Ted's wanting to see both Peca and Hudon playing, it would be a long-shot. I still think Hudon can be a player if truly given a chance in the right circumstance... and if I'm not wrong he has played some center in the past I believe.

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Nothing conclusive from today's practice

A look at the forward lines and defense pairings featured at Thursday's morning skate at the Bell Sports Complex.

Tatar - Domi - Lehkonen
Drouin - Danault - Gallagher
Hudon/Peca - Kotkaniemi - Armia
Agostino - Chaput - Deslauriers
Byron

Mete - Weber
Reilly - Petry
Kulak - Benn

Price
Niemi

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2 hours ago, H_T_L said:

Nothing conclusive from today's practice

A look at the forward lines and defense pairings featured at Thursday's morning skate at the Bell Sports Complex.

Tatar - Domi - Lehkonen
Drouin - Danault - Gallagher
Hudon/Peca - Kotkaniemi - Armia
Agostino - Chaput - Deslauriers
Byron

Mete - Weber
Reilly - Petry
Kulak - Benn

Price
Niemi

Finally happy with the defense (although id rather have Juulsen in for Benn, I understand they are working on things with him in Laval)  but up front Id make some major adjustments.

With Byron and Shaw out Id like to see:

Tatar - Domi - Gallagher
Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen
Hudon - Danault - Armia
Agostino - Chaput - Peca

 

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4 hours ago, maas_art said:

Finally happy with the defense (although id rather have Juulsen in for Benn, I understand they are working on things with him in Laval)  but up front Id make some major adjustments.

With Byron and Shaw out Id like to see:

Tatar - Domi - Gallagher
Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen
Hudon - Danault - Armia
Agostino - Chaput - Peca

 

That's overly optimistic for Julien

Danault has 17pts in last 17 games ... so Domi and him will remain the top 2 centers ... and I don't think you'll see both Hudon and Peca come in

We're likely to see :

Tatar - Domi - Armia

Drouin - Danault - Gallagher

Agostino - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen

Peca/Hudon - Chaput - Deslauriers

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