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As per Bigted

Here are the differences:

- OEL just re-upped in Arizona and the team doesn't have a reason to trade him. He's more valuable there than Nylander.

- I doubt Nashville would deal one of their star D men either, and if they do, it's because the deal blows them away.

- Babcock loves Weber. The Leafs feel like they're close to a Cup. They could use a veteran player who could eat up minutes on their blue line and be the lead for their youngsters.

- Weber is still highly-valued around the league. In a players' poll last year, he came out as one of the toughest D men to play against and a guy people wanted on their team.

So sure, are there a ton of younger D men that you would rather build a franchise around? Yes. Are there guys I would take ahead of Weber in a trade? Yes. But which of those guys is available and at what cost? For a team that feels it's really close to a Cup run but that needs a little something to push them over, you're willing to overpay to fill a hole, and Toronto has been clear that they see their biggest hole as "a top pairing right-handed defenceman who can play the PP."

I disagree 100%, it would be a complete step back for Toronto. I think because we have Weber and we were silly enough to trade Subban for him everyone assumes we can get a boatload back for Weber and that was 3 years ago..

I scoffed and laughed at the idea of us signing Tavares and you like most others felt we had some inside track to getting him so again i feel  fans are just dreaming of getting something really good for nothing or very little

I am sure Babcock still likes Weber but at 8 million and giving up a 22 year old player who was in the top 50 in scoring over the last two season and still only 22, that would be insane.

Why wouldnt Nashville trade one of there dman for an elite NHL forward they have done it before? And also they were just examples of the quality of defensman TO would be seeking.

Would you really want to be stuck with an 8 million dollar contract for a players who is already way way way past his prime,  when you have Tavares, Marner and Mathews probably eating up over 30 million in the next year or two? Why have one shot at a cup when you can have 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 ??????

The dream is great for us hab fans, but like us signing Tavares it is just a Dream, not realistic at all................

 

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32 minutes ago, caperns61 said:

 

I disagree 100%, it would be a complete step back for Toronto. I think because we have Weber and we were silly enough to trade Subban for him everyone assumes we can get a boatload back for Weber and that was 3 years ago..

I scoffed and laughed at the idea of us signing Tavares and you like most others felt we had some inside track to getting him so again i feel  fans are just dreaming of getting something really good for nothing or very little

I am sure Babcock still likes Weber but at 8 million and giving up a 22 year old player who was in the top 50 in scoring over the last two season and still only 22, that would be insane.

Why wouldnt Nashville trade one of there dman for an elite NHL forward they have done it before? And also they were just examples of the quality of defensman TO would be seeking.

Would you really want to be stuck with an 8 million dollar contract for a players who is already way way way past his prime,  when you have Tavares, Marner and Mathews probably eating up over 30 million in the next year or two? Why have one shot at a cup when you can have 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 ??????

The dream is great for us hab fans, but like us signing Tavares it is just a Dream, not realistic at all................

 

I know and you know that Subban is far superior to Weber, but not everyone in hockey believes that. When GM's were surveyed, half of them thought Mtl had won that deal. Just last season, Weber was voted one of the 5 hardest players to play against, along with Crosby, Kane, Kopitar, and McDavid. He was voted one of the top 5 role models and leaders in the same poll. By his peers. Last season. So yeah, you and I might believe he's not as skilled as he once was and not as valuable as younger puck-moving d men, but the fact remains that players and coaches in the NHL value Weber. And the fact remains that Babcock is one of those guys, who has recently drooled over what Weber brings to the table.

So this is not about what you or I believe. This is about what GM's and coaches believe, and people in the NHL continue to over-value Shea Weber and his intangibles. And like I said, when Toronto comes out and says their top priority is a right-handed first-pairing guy who can quarterback a PP, well Weber meets all of those tick boxes. I'm with you on Nylander being a better piece if you're planning on building a franchise for the next 7-8 years. But right now, Toronto has guys who can score and they don't have great depth on D. Weber is a better fit in their line-up than Nylander, and Nylander may well end up costing close to what Weber costs on a contract in the near future anyways. And sure, maybe Toronto would be better off with Gostisbehere or Seth Jones or McAvoy, but to the best of my knowledge, those guys aren't available, and a younger top pairing D man almost certainly costs more in a trade. So if Toronto is close to competing for a Cup - and they are - the question is, do you sit on Nylander but leave your D as is or do you make the move to shore up your D and give up from your position of strength? If you think the trade tips you over to being the favorite for a Cup and filling one of your last voids, then heck yeah, you make the deal and you give up a bit of the future to be the favorite right now and maybe for the next 2-3 years.

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Good ol' Eklund saying we are talking to the sharks about joonas donskoi  He calls it an E4 which is usually someone based in fact (E5 has usually already happened & reported on by tsn).


No idea why we would be talking to them.  He's a decent bottom six winger but how many of those do we exactly need?  Priority right now should be trying to upgrade at least 1 defensman, and/or trying to turn some of our surplus of depth forwards/dmen into prospects or picks so we dont lose too many guys to waivers. 

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19 hours ago, maas_art said:

Good ol' Eklund saying we are talking to the sharks about joonas donskoi  He calls it an E4 which is usually someone based in fact (E5 has usually already happened & reported on by tsn).


No idea why we would be talking to them.  He's a decent bottom six winger but how many of those do we exactly need?  Priority right now should be trying to upgrade at least 1 defensman, and/or trying to turn some of our surplus of depth forwards/dmen into prospects or picks so we dont lose too many guys to waivers. 

Max Domi for Joonas Donskoi anyone? Sharks won't bite most likely, but it would be interesting to see who they may want. I believe Donskoi is a Bergevin-type player.

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Eklund once again saying we're talking to the Sharks for  Donskoi.   It seems like such a weird fit (especially when we clearly have a glut of depth wingers already) but then on another site I saw the rumour that we were trying to make a pitch for Nylander & needed a 3rd team to complete the deal - and they were saying the sharks.  

So, if you believe it, we're going to turn 2 depth players (say Shaw + Schlemko - who the sharks were sorry to see go) into Donskoi and then turn around & package him with someone (on the blueline presumably) for Nylander. 

I still dont buy it but its such a weird rumour that you wonder why it would have even started. 

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On HNIC's Saturday Headlines segment, Kypreos said that Josh Anderson was put on the fourth line in Columbus. Anderson hasn't formally requested a trade, but Kypreos reported that he's not happy.

He ended it by saying the Leafs and Habs have shown interest in him in the past.

Despite that, in 5 games this year, he has 3 goals.

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6 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

On HNIC's Saturday Headlines segment, Kypreos said that Josh Anderson was put on the fourth line in Columbus. Anderson hasn't formally requested a trade, but Kypreos reported that he's not happy.

He ended it by saying the Leafs and Habs have shown interest in him in the past.

Despite that, in 5 games this year, he has 3 goals.

He's the type of player MB would target for sure.  Middle six winger.    If we could get him as a 2 for one upgrade - say Shaw + Alzner  - id be fine with it, but i cant see it happening. 

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He's a fast skater but Anderson does disappear at times. I'd give them Lazner and a pick 3rd or later or ScHerbak. Not sure I would want to lose Shaw. Although if Shaw keeps getting our goals taken off the board like he has this season and others I may change my mind.

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1 minute ago, Habberwacky said:

He's a fast skater but Anderson does disappear at times. I'd give them Lazner and a pick 3rd or later or ScHerbak. Not sure I would want to lose Shaw. Although if Shaw keeps getting our goals taken off the board like he has this season and others I may change my mind.

I like Shaw. Im worried he's one hit away from the end of his career though.  

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16 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

On HNIC's Saturday Headlines segment, Kypreos said that Josh Anderson was put on the fourth line in Columbus. Anderson hasn't formally requested a trade, but Kypreos reported that he's not happy.

He ended it by saying the Leafs and Habs have shown interest in him in the past.

Despite that, in 5 games this year, he has 3 goals.

Could be in an interesting trade target.

Maybe Columbus would consider a straight swap of young forwards. Anderson for Scherbak? I don't know. They'd probably ask for Kotkaniemi or Poehling or Suzuki. Which I wouldn't consider doing at this point.

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Not sure if this is possible (and I have no info on this), but, Nylander is holding out for a new contract. I know that the powers that be in our membership will/should know the answer to this. Would it be possible to  offer him a "offer sheet"? I know that it would cost us, but, Nylander is a proven player. IMO, it would cost us dearly, but when you consider how our previous 1st round picks (Tinordi, McCarran etc.) have panned out, then it might be worth exploring. 

Any ideas for discussion? 

Asking for a friend. 

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8 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

Not sure if this is possible (and I have no info on this), but, Nylander is holding out for a new contract. I know that the powers that be in our membership will/should know the answer to this. Would it be possible to  offer him a "offer sheet"? I know that it would cost us, but, Nylander is a proven player. IMO, it would cost us dearly, but when you consider how our previous 1st round picks (Tinordi, McCarran etc.) have panned out, then it might be worth exploring. 

Any ideas for discussion? 

Asking for a friend. 

To answer bluntly,,,,, waste of time.

The Leafs would match ANY offer IMO and if it doesn't fit in their future budget,,, trade him.  

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

To answer bluntly,,,,, waste of time.

The Leafs would match ANY offer IMO and if it doesn't fit in their future budget,,, trade him.  

Yeah, I don't see an offer sheet working to nab Nylander. Maybe you can call them and talk trade, but... I'm skeptical that Toronto feels like they need to make a move right now. The post-season is forever far away and they won't need extra help to get into the play-offs... maybe you can convince them that someone we have might help them get THROUGH the play-offs, but... who knows what Toronto will/won't do with Nylander in that many months.

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

To answer bluntly,,,,, waste of time.

The Leafs would match ANY offer IMO and if it doesn't fit in their future budget,,, trade him.  

I don't think they can trade him for a year if they match an offer sheet so they would probably let him go and take the picks at this point. Especially if he gets an offer for the 7.5-8 mil he is asking. It's more of a situation where the GMs don't want to give up the picks

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24 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I don't think they can trade him for a year if they match an offer sheet so they would probably let him go and take the picks at this point. Especially if he gets an offer for the 7.5-8 mil he is asking. It's more of a situation where the GMs don't want to give up the picks

They can't but they don't have the Cap issues this year. They simply  trade him in the off season.

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3 hours ago, H_T_L said:

They can't but they don't have the Cap issues this year. They simply  trade him in the off season.

I don't think they can do that either cause I believe it's a calendar year not a season

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4 hours ago, H_T_L said:

They can't but they don't have the Cap issues this year. They simply  trade him in the off season.

They wouldnt be able to trade him in the offseason any more (its 1 year to the date of the new contract) but i dont think that poses a huge problem. 

1 hour ago, campabee82 said:

I don't think they can do that either cause I believe it's a calendar year not a season

True about the timeline but honestly i dont think it would matter. 

Leafs 2019-20 cap:
$49,313,333, which if the salary cap ceiling stays the same would leave the Leafs with $30,186,667 in projected cap space. However, that cap hit includes having Horton’s contract count against the cap, which would be removed when he gets put on LTIR. So, really, they’d have $35,498,667 in cap space.

Assume that the players ask for the absolute max:  

  • Nylander: $8.5 million AAV
  • Marner: $10 million AAV
  • Matthews: $12.5 million AAV

which would = $31 million  so the cap space of $35.5m above goes all the way down to $4.5m  Now, chances are the cap goes up $2-5m too so there's some wiggle room there.

they would need to fill 3 bottom 6 forward positions and 2 bottom pairing DMen positions with that $4.5-9m in cap space but its doable.



At the end of the day it would be relatively easy for them to trade Zaitzev, Kadri or even Marleau if they needed to and thats why I do believe they would match any offer. 

 

Having said that I think we can still make a very enticing trade offer to them but i dont think MB will. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, maas_art said:

They wouldnt be able to trade him in the offseason any more (its 1 year to the date of the new contract) but i dont think that poses a huge problem. 

True about the timeline but honestly i dont think it would matter. 

Leafs 2019-20 cap:
$49,313,333, which if the salary cap ceiling stays the same would leave the Leafs with $30,186,667 in projected cap space. However, that cap hit includes having Horton’s contract count against the cap, which would be removed when he gets put on LTIR. So, really, they’d have $35,498,667 in cap space.

Assume that the players ask for the absolute max:  

  • Nylander: $8.5 million AAV
  • Marner: $10 million AAV
  • Matthews: $12.5 million AAV

which would = $31 million  so the cap space of $35.5m above goes all the way down to $4.5m  Now, chances are the cap goes up $2-5m too so there's some wiggle room there.

they would need to fill 3 bottom 6 forward positions and 2 bottom pairing DMen positions with that $4.5-9m in cap space but its doable.



At the end of the day it would be relatively easy for them to trade Zaitzev, Kadri or even Marleau if they needed to and thats why I do believe they would match any offer. 

 

Having said that I think we can still make a very enticing trade offer to them but i dont think MB will. 

 

 

 

 

You still have to account for Garners, Kapanen, Ennis and others so there really is not room 

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14 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

You still have to account for Garners, Kapanen, Ennis and others so there really is not room 

Minors until a player is traded.  No problem.

If they want to keep Nylander, they will.  There is nothing that will stop him. I do think they may consider trading him but they arent losing him to an offer sheet, Id be pretty confident in that statement. 

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29 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Minors until a player is traded.  No problem.

If they want to keep Nylander, they will.  There is nothing that will stop him. I do think they may consider trading him but they arent losing him to an offer sheet, Id be pretty confident in that statement. 

I agree with that to a point it would probably depend on where the team offing was projected to finish the season and how they were doing when the offer sheet was signed. I mean if it was say Detroit and they were in last place at the time of signing they probably let Nylander go for the chance that they end up with the number one pick and get Hughs cause they really don't lose then. How ever if it's to say Tampa then no the definitely don't let him go. Also they might take into account how many times a year he would face them on the opposing team it it's twice then he doesn't do much damage if it's 8 times then they may want more of a return and match the offer sheet.

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Also let's face it there really is no harm from making an offer at Nylander even if the Leafs match it what are we out nothing just time and if they let him go then great we got a skilled game breaker. Sure it may be harder for our GM to make deals for a while but we already want him gone so once again what has it cost us to make an offer?

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I'd love to see  Nylander added to our roster but I'm afraid the cost would be too high. The Laffs are in the driver's seat on this one IMO.

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22 minutes ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

I'd love to see  Nylander added to our roster but I'm afraid the cost would be too high. The Laffs are in the driver's seat on this one IMO.

To a certain degree yes but Nylander also knows that they have to resign 12 other players next year so he may be traded anyway especially with the way Kapanen is playing in his place. Also I dont beleive Kapanen, Gardner and Ennis are waiver exempt next year so there is no way they risk sending any of them down until a trade can be made for Nylander if they match an offer for him. And with the way we have drafted in the past why not give up the picks if you can sign Nylander to a sheet. Give him his 8x8 and see what the Leafs do! If they match who cares nothing lost if not we give up picks that we can trade players for to get some back anyway. I know the 8x8 is a lot but given the other contracts MB has handed out at least this one would be worth it.

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Also Hortons 5.3 mil would be back on next year as he should be off LTIR then

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