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Sky's the limit for Kotkaniemi.

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30 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

If the team is intelligent about his contracts, then him being UFA at 26 shouldn't be a concern.

For sure. And my own belief is that if the team is better with him in the lineup - and the player is in the best possible place to develop - then its the right call for him to stay.  In this case - after 9 games anyway - both seem to be the case. 

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Personally I believe a stint with Laval would be best for him. If he had to go back to Finland, then I would say hang on to him.

He seems a little nervous about hanging on to the puck. He was directly responsible for the Boston goal that was called back. Some time in Laval would increase his confidence  and I believe help his long term game. He would be a star in Laval and play top minutes which would have to help his game. 

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1 hour ago, tony5775 said:

Personally I believe a stint with Laval would be best for him. If he had to go back to Finland, then I would say hang on to him.

He seems a little nervous about hanging on to the puck. He was directly responsible for the Boston goal that was called back. Some time in Laval would increase his confidence  and I believe help his long term game. He would be a star in Laval and play top minutes which would have to help his game. 

I dont mind the idea - but I also wouldnt mind keeping him up with the big club and giving him some wingers who can score.  Armia is a great addition to this team but he isnt exactly high in the hockey IQ dept.  Byron is a garbage goal specialist but not really a finesse player.  I understand they are trying to shield him but having a little more creativity on his wing would help his confidence too. 

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some power play time with the better finesse players would be a great help.

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20 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

some power play time with the better finesse players would be a great help.

Anyone not from the 3rd or 4th line. 

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34 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

some power play time with the better finesse players would be a great help.

Yes.  The silly thing is that we have a perfect scenario - with Drouin playing the point JK could easily take his spot up front.  Or, just use the set second line & swap JK for Danault.

Frankly, id be fine with just switching those 2 (JK and Danault) at various times through the game; offensive zone starts, easier matchups etc.  Who knows, at some point it may be a permanent switch. 

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13 hours ago, maas_art said:

Yes.  The silly thing is that we have a perfect scenario - with Drouin playing the point JK could easily take his spot up front.  Or, just use the set second line & swap JK for Danault.

Frankly, id be fine with just switching those 2 (JK and Danault) at various times through the game; offensive zone starts, easier matchups etc.  Who knows, at some point it may be a permanent switch. 

I agree. I think Kotkaniemi should be given a chance with Tatar and Gallagher. I really thought he flashed some creative brilliance in the offensive zone last night. He's so close to getting his first goal. It's painful.

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Really liked the goal in all that traffic last night. A lot of white shirts in front, but he managed to force it through.

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4 hours ago, BizarreReverend said:

Really liked the goal in all that traffic last night. A lot of white shirts in front, but he managed to force it through.

It was nice to see him score one goal off the rush, beautiful shot; and a second goal mucking around in front of goal.

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I think this tread title should be changed to "how long before Kotkaniemi get moved up a line" lol he is playing better and better everyday and I like that CJ gave him Lehkonen on his left now let's hope when Scherbak gets back he is put on Kotkaniemi's right. That would probably be our best scoring line but would likely remain our 2nd or 3rd line to shelter them while they continue to grow.

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Modified the title somewhat because this kid isn't going anywhere.

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

Modified the title somewhat because this kid isn't going anywhere.

You have my blessing, my son. :)

 

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Yeah, it has been so long since we had a player who fits in to the center position that has such a high ceiling it is so refreshing and the fact that he seems to be a good kid with the right kind of work ethic and attitude to fit in right away is really amazing. it is going to be fun to watch him grow.

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54 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

Yeah, it has been so long since we had a player who fits in to the center position that has such a high ceiling it is so refreshing and the fact that he seems to be a good kid with the right kind of work ethic and attitude to fit in right away is really amazing. it is going to be fun to watch him grow.

AND arguably our two best prospects not in montreal are centres too (Poehling & Suzuki)  Talk about a big turn-around.  Now we need at least 1 elite dman. 

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19 minutes ago, maas_art said:

AND arguably our two best prospects not in montreal are centres too (Poehling & Suzuki)  Talk about a big turn-around.  Now we need at least 1 elite dman. 

We look to be really good down the middle for a long time, Domi 23, Poeling 19, Suski 19, KotK 18.................

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

AND arguably our two best prospects not in montreal are centres too (Poehling & Suzuki)  Talk about a big turn-around.  Now we need at least 1 elite dman. 

 

41 minutes ago, caperns61 said:

We look to be really good down the middle for a long time, Domi 23, Poeling 19, Suski 19, KotK 18.................

And let's not forget Danault, who doesn't have the high-end offensive upside of these other guys but can easily be a shutdown 3rd line center who can skate well. The team isn't quite there yet, but in 1-2 years, the center position should look very deep. I think most projections now have Suzuki shifting to wing if Poehling pans out and remains a center. And even then, wing remains pretty deep for the next few years with Drouin, Gallagher, Hudon, Lehkonen, and maybe Scherbak if he gets a chance or Tatar if he doesn't fall of a cliff. And none of this is to mention the likes of Ikonen, Ylonen, Olofsson, and so on who aren't even in North America yet. There is a lot of potential, albeit unfulfilled potential right now.

On D, again, we can project being pretty set down the right side for the next little bit with some combination of Weber, Petry, Juulsen, and Brook. But the left side features Mete and Reilly, the latter of whom has started to struggle now, and those two guys are really your 2nd and 3rd pairing LHD in some order.

So what is missing? We don't have the same top end talent as many other teams, even though our depth is starting to become superior. And we have a huge glaring hole at left D. So either MB has to fill those holes in some way via the draft or he's got to look at packaging two or three lesser players to get the top end guys.

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After reading about the Canucks' Elias Petterson it causes me to think about whether or not Kotkaniemi should have his role in the top-nine changed to top-six on a permanent basis. If, as Ted suggested, Danault would be a very good third line center in the future, then why not do that even now.

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With what we have now and how various prospects are developing... I think next year upfront you see 

Drouin - JK - Domi

Tatar/Suzuki - Danault - Gallagher

Suzuki/Tatar - Poehling - Lehkonen

Byron - ?? - Armia

This puts Poehling in the 3rd line sheltered spot that JK is in right now and gives JK a top 6 role ... Suzuki may be another year away or Poehling will be.   If it's Poehling that deosn't make it then I see :

Drouin - Domi - Shaw

Tatar - JK - Gallagher

Suzuki- Danault - Lehkonen

Byron - ?? - Armia

 

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5 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

After reading about the Canucks' Elias Petterson it causes me to think about whether or not Kotkaniemi should have his role in the top-nine changed to top-six on a permanent basis. If, as Ted suggested, Danault would be a very good third line center in the future, then why not do that even now.

I think most of us believe Danault & JK should be switched.  I totally understand sheltering him to start the year but so far, no matter what we throw at the kid, he's responded well.  Put him in the position we are grooming him for. If he has trouble, then swap them back.

Tatar - JK - Gallagher
Drouin - Domi - Byron/Shaw
Lehkonen - Danault - Armia

Everyone in their right spots, 3 lines that can score, 3 lines that can check - whats the issue? 

1 minute ago, HabsAlways said:

With what we have now and how various prospects are developing... I think next year upfront you see 

Drouin - JK - Domi

Tatar/Suzuki - Danault - Gallagher

Suzuki/Tatar - Poehling - Lehkonen

Byron - ?? - Armia

This puts Poehling in the 3rd line sheltered spot that JK is in right now and gives JK a top 6 role ... Suzuki may be another year away or Poehling will be.   

I like the idea of JK on the top line (obviously) but I dont think they will take Domi off centre (nor do i think they should).   A good chance Suzuki becomes a winger and Danault drops down to bottom 6.

Tatar - JK - Gallagher
Drouin - Domi - Suzuki
Tatar - Poehling/Danault - Shaw/Lehks/Byron

Alternately, we may end up moving a guy like Shaw, Tatar, Byron etc to acquire that top LHD we're missing. 

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6 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

With what we have now and how various prospects are developing... I think next year upfront you see 

Drouin - JK - Domi

Tatar/Suzuki - Danault - Gallagher

Suzuki/Tatar - Poehling - Lehkonen

Byron - ?? - Armia

This puts Poehling in the 3rd line sheltered spot that JK is in right now and gives JK a top 6 role ... Suzuki may be another year away or Poehling will be.   If it's Poehling that deosn't make it then I see :

Drouin - Domi - Shaw

Tatar - JK - Gallagher

Suzuki- Danault - Lehkonen

Byron - ?? - Armia

 

I see something similar to

Drouin-Kotkaniemi-Domi 

Tatar-Danault-Gallagher

Lehkonen-Poehling-Suzuki

Byron-Chaput-Armia

Shaw, Hudon

Mete/Romanov-Weber

Romanov/Mete-Petry

Reilly-Juulsen 

Kulak

Price

Lindgren

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Posted (edited)

9 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I see something similar to

Shaw, Hudon

Mete/Romanov-Weber

Romanov/Mete-Petry

Reilly-Juulsen 

Kulak

Price

Lindgren

I don't think Hudon makes it with us to next year.   Either he's waived and picked up or down in the AHL permanently.

As to our D ...

I don't think Romanov makes it to the big club next year.   He might play in the AHL.    Both he and Josh Brook have a chance to make it, and if both do:

Mete - Weber 

Romanov - Petry

Reilly/Kulak - Juulsen/Brook

Depending on how Brook progresses, you could see Petry packaged at the trade deadline next year for a better LD option.

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Posted (edited)

44 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

I don't think Hudon makes it with us to next year.   Either he's waived and picked up or down in the AHL permanently.

As to our D ...

I don't think Romanov makes it to the big club next year.   He might play in the AHL.    Both he and Josh Brook have a chance to make it, and if both do:

Mete - Weber 

Romanov - Petry

Reilly/Kulak - Juulsen/Brook

Depending on how Brook progresses, you could see Petry packaged at the trade deadline next year for a better LD option.

If Hudon doesn't crack our roster who stays that we currently have? DLO, Agostino, Peca? I don't see any of them ahead of Hudon on the depth chart, but Julien doesn't seem to like Hudon so who knows. I think you have to give Romanov and Brook at least a 10 game shot, and IMO he would be better served beside Weber than Mete. So the with Brook factored in our depth would look like this IMO 

Romanov-Weber 

Mete-Petry 

Reilly-Juulsen 

Kulak-Brook

I think we buy out Alzner and Schlemko and don't resign Benn this year as his contract is expiring.

So then you wait for training camp to end and sneak Kulak to Laval if you plan on giving both Romanov and Brook a 10 game tryout.

Also should be noted we haven't even considered any other prospects earning a wing spot so there is that to consider too.

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