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21 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

I'd still be OK with him on the staff (player development?) but something needs to change on the PP strategy. 

Agreed.  My understanding is that Muller has taken the old Gallant role as the intermediary between players & coach.  Albeit with Julien its probably less necessary than it was under Therrien but even still i think its always helpful to have relatable assistant manager or assistant principle in any organization. 

But I really think we need to try someone else running the PP.  Maybe a totally fresh insight like Ducharme. 

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Two short-handed goals in the past two games. B) Perhaps we should be trying to go a man down and not a man up!

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5 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Two short-handed goals in the past two games. B) Perhaps we should be trying to go a man down and not a man up!

It would certainly seem that way. 

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5 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Two short-handed goals in the past two games. B) Perhaps we should be trying to go a man down and not a man up!

Haha.  Well if nothing else, id just tell the guys to go play like its a regular 5 on 5 shift.  Maybe leave the lines the same?  I dunno. Ive never seen such a long run of futility with (seemily) more than enough potential weapons to get the job done!

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Well, at least our PP didn't suck last night. 

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3 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Well, at least our PP didn't suck last night. 

Yes!   0 for 0 = 100%!  

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The league worst power play. 

While it has shown a tiny, tiny bit of improvement over the last week or two, it still sits in the bottom of the NHL with a success rate of just 12.6%.

Having seen enough, Canadiens head coach Claude Julien took over the Habs' power play at practice today. 

Not only was he running the drill, but Julien stopped the play repeatedly to make sure that the team had everything right. 

Over the weekend Julien even gave Charles Hudon a shot on the power play hoping he could inspire something. 

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22 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

The league worst power play. 

While it has shown a tiny, tiny bit of improvement over the last week or two, it still sits in the bottom of the NHL with a success rate of just 12.6%.

Having seen enough, Canadiens head coach Claude Julien took over the Habs' power play at practice today. 

Not only was he running the drill, but Julien stopped the play repeatedly to make sure that the team had everything right. 

Over the weekend Julien even gave Charles Hudon a shot on the power play hoping he could inspire something. 

Well he's shown a hell of a lot more patience then i would have. For the life of me i can't figure out why he waited so long. 

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3 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

The league worst power play. 

While it has shown a tiny, tiny bit of improvement over the last week or two, it still sits in the bottom of the NHL with a success rate of just 12.6%.

Having seen enough, Canadiens head coach Claude Julien took over the Habs' power play at practice today. 

Not only was he running the drill, but Julien stopped the play repeatedly to make sure that the team had everything right. 

Over the weekend Julien even gave Charles Hudon a shot on the power play hoping he could inspire something. 

 

2 hours ago, H_T_L said:

Well he's shown a hell of a lot more patience then i would have. For the life of me i can't figure out why he waited so long. 

Yes, about time.   Im not sure if Julien will be better at figuring things out but he's a quality coach, he should be able to do something different at least.   With this group of players and the fact we play so well at 5-on-5 its absolutely baffling we have had such an abysmal powerplay.  If anything it to the point where  the opposition should to try to take penalties to kill our 5-on-5 momentum!

 

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16 hours ago, maas_art said:

 

Yes, about time.   Im not sure if Julien will be better at figuring things out but he's a quality coach, he should be able to do something different at least.   With this group of players and the fact we play so well at 5-on-5 its absolutely baffling we have had such an abysmal powerplay.  If anything it to the point where  the opposition should to try to take penalties to kill our 5-on-5 momentum!

 

There has to be a psychological side to this problem for the players, as this has continued too long for sure. I still believe that under the circumstance, as it is, rolling the lines would be the best thing to do rather than trying to get chemistry where it has been non-consistent/productive to say the least.

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Still trying to recover from the fact we scored a goal! may take a bit 10-20 games or so.....

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I've thought all along with this that the biggest issue has been getting posesion to begin with and keeping it across the blue line...they're playing puck puck who wants the puck...trying some b/s fancy play set up.....and we always get smoked before we get a shot off...then the cycle repeats itself.....for God's sake guys >> one of ya skate with the puck as far in toward the net as you can go(and get the first shot off)  and the rest of you haul ass to hold the zone !!    just sayin........

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3 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

Still trying to recover from the fact we scored a goal! may take a bit 10-20 games or so.....

To get another?:lol:

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18 hours ago, HabsRuleForever said:

To get another?:lol:

probably!

 

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Was the PP better or worse before or after Weber's return?

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2 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Was the PP better or worse before or after Weber's return?

Weber has been totally neutralized on the PP. It's obvious the "how to" book is out there, and everybody has read it. He's not played well IMO since the bye week. Not sure if he's nursing another injury or we're just seeing a decline in his play, but regardless, we need other options out there. It's ridiculous how bad we are with the extra man. Even when we pull the goaltender we can't get anything going. Absolutely no creativity and it seems nobody wants to go to the net before the puck gets there. This perimeter play and poor passing choices are driving me crazy.

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The Wings rate 25th in the League on the PK. If we can't pop one against them, we might not get another this season. 

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10 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Was the PP better or worse before or after Weber's return?

Definitely not better.  Im not sure if its inherently worse but I think prior to Weber coming back they were at least trying some stuff. Now they just seem to think "weber will solve it" and go into the old habits. The dumb thing is that 99% of the time he isnt even able to get off a good shot because the other teams rush him so much. So you've essentially taken away Weber's shot & make him into a QB (since he has to pass the puck upon getting it) which he is most definitely not.

I think it would be silly to take him off the PP but Im be severely inclined to play him as a foward on the PP.  Put Petry, Drouin, Reilly and Mete as the D and put Weber up as your mock RW for the PP along the boards.  He'd be harder to cover for the one timer since the passes will come quicker from down low and he'd probably give some goalies heart attacks with slappers from that close in. 

1 minute ago, H_T_L said:

Weber has been totally neutralized on the PP. It's obvious the "how to" book is out there, and everybody has read it. He's not played well IMO since the bye week. Not sure if he's nursing another injury or we're just seeing a decline in his play, but regardless, we need other options out there. It's ridiculous how bad we are with the extra man. Even when we pull the goaltender we can't get anything going. Absolutely no creativity and it seems nobody wants to go to the net before the puck gets there. This perimeter play and poor passing choices are driving me crazy.

He sure looks like he's playing hurt.  Lets hope its something minor and not a complication from his past injury.   For a while there he looked amazing & now Im not even sure he's playing like one of our top 2 defensmen anymore. 

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3 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

The Wings rate 25th in the League on the PK. If we can't pop one against them, we might not get another this season. 

I think the problem is that the coaching staff seems to think "stay the course, we'll get one in & then the confidence will come back" but i dont think thats the issue. I think they need to change the PP up in a major way. change the players, the combos, the set plays.  try something.  We have basically 10 guys who are all 2-3rd line players on a good team. Meaning there's no gamebreaking #1 elite forwards but there's a plethora of good quality middle depth players.  So why are we sending out the same 6 forwards over and over?  Switch it up. Weber at the point is not working so put him up as a forward. 

Desperate times call for some creative thinking.  If the PP isnt solved before the end of the season we not only wont (likely) win a round, we probably wont make the playoffs.   I think you can make a strong argument we've already lost 8-10 points in the standings (so far) because of our power play. 

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2 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Definitely not better.  Im not sure if its inherently worse but I think prior to Weber coming back they were at least trying some stuff. Now they just seem to think "weber will solve it" and go into the old habits. The dumb thing is that 99% of the time he isnt even able to get off a good shot because the other teams rush him so much. So you've essentially taken away Weber's shot & make him into a QB (since he has to pass the puck upon getting it) which he is most definitely not.

I think it would be silly to take him off the PP but Im be severely inclined to play him as a foward on the PP.  Put Petry, Drouin, Reilly and Mete as the D and put Weber up as your mock RW for the PP along the boards.  He'd be harder to cover for the one timer since the passes will come quicker from down low and he'd probably give some goalies heart attacks with slappers from that close in. 

He sure looks like he's playing hurt.  Lets hope its something minor and not a complication from his past injury.   For a while there he looked amazing & now Im not even sure he's playing like one of our top 2 defensmen anymore. 

Yes, and the problem is he's getting blocked early and it's creating breakout chances for the other guys. His foot speed is only average so his partner has to be aware all the time to prevent clear cut breakaways. That sometimes takes him out of position and reduces the forwards options if he gets the puck through 

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I agree maas. The things needs some major changes. Maybe it needs Weber taken off of it. Maybe it needs Drouin somewhere else... His impact along the boards seems minimal at best.

I like the idea of having Petry out there on wave one. I would stick with four forwards, as well.

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5 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I think the problem is that the coaching staff seems to think "stay the course, we'll get one in & then the confidence will come back" but i dont think thats the issue. I think they need to change the PP up in a major way. change the players, the combos, the set plays.  try something.  We have basically 10 guys who are all 2-3rd line players on a good team. Meaning there's no gamebreaking #1 elite forwards but there's a plethora of good quality middle depth players.  So why are we sending out the same 6 forwards over and over?  Switch it up. Weber at the point is not working so put him up as a forward. 

Desperate times call for some creative thinking.  If the PP isnt solved before the end of the season we not only wont (likely) win a round, we probably wont make the playoffs.   I think you can make a strong argument we've already lost 8-10 points in the standings (so far) because of our power play. 

We haven't really had any dominating efforts on the PP all year. It's tough to build confidence when the only time you score is on a fluke. I agree he needs to try other options. Weber is not getting it done back there anymore and Armia is not a guy we should have out there on the PP. He has size but it's useless if he plays the perimeter rather then try to screen the goalie. Maybe plant Weber in front and let him use that size and muscle to put a little fear in the D. He's not helping from the point anymore and at least his lack of foot speed won't be a factor. Let Reilly and Petry man the points. JD doesn't belong there for sure, cause he just can't seem to find the right jersey to pass to. I think i'd even consider using KK or Tuna back there in JD's spot. Both of them have better passing instincts IMO

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6 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I agree maas. The things needs some major changes. Maybe it needs Weber taken off of it. Maybe it needs Drouin somewhere else... His impact along the boards seems minimal at best.

I like the idea of having Petry out there on wave one. I would stick with four forwards, as well.

If i had my way Id try something like:

Wave 1:
Tartar - Domi - Weber
Drouin - Petry


Wave 2:
Byron - JK - Gallagher
Reilly - Mete

 

Spares/Subs:  Shaw, Danault, Armia, Lehkonen, Hudon

 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

I think it would be silly to take him off the PP but Im be severely inclined to play him as a foward on the PP.  Put Petry, Drouin, Reilly and Mete as the D and put Weber up as your mock RW for the PP along the boards.  He'd be harder to cover for the one timer since the passes will come quicker from down low and he'd probably give some goalies heart attacks with slappers from that close in. 

I like the idea of Weber on the half wall and Petry manning the point. I think another option though would be to have Weber play his off side so that he can just one time everything sent his way a right handed shot on the right side has to wait for the puck to pass by hos body before shooting or stop it and move laterally which Weber is too slow to do so if you line up

Weber-Domi-Tatar

Petry-Drouin

Then 

Gallagher-Kotkaniemi-Byron

Mete-Reilly

Everyone on their off wing then everyone is available for 1 timers and it could potentially be a shooting gallery. I know passes are harder to handle on the backhand but we aren't handling them well on the forehand anyway so why not setup to just rip it

 

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It might be time to take JK off the PP. Do not get me wrong the guy is really good. But his panic button plays have ruined way to many opportunities. Down the line I can see him being a Guy Lafleur type player on this team. But for now let him learn at 5 on 5. Remember it took Lafleur three seasons to become a superstar.. 

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