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TRADE DEADLINE FEB. 25th

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3 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

I was thinking more along the lines of a swap for Shaw.

Tough one. I think Shaw is the better player right now but man his injuries worry me.  

i think if you're set to trade shaw, a contender like Toronto or a team looking to get over the hump like Edmonton may give up some futures for him which is more valuable to us right now, but just my 2¢

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I don't want Bouwmmester or Muzzin myself, I just think MB will be interested in those two players.

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4 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

I agree I remember the 93 run and no one thought we had a chance of even winning a round. Roy and some other heroics later and we're raising the cup! Price is starting to play with confidence and swagger again. Carey is getting older himself. He might himself have a monster playoff just to cement his won career. He hasn't won a cup or really have had a stellar playoff run. If we we're able to get a LHD even a pending free agent and the price was right a 2nd or lower tier prospect or both and a center like Spezza  I think it would be worth it. Someone who can win the important face offs and Spezza I think would look good with this team. As long as it wasn't a top prospect or player or a #1 pick I'd definitely Listen.

Yeah.....11 overtime wins in 20 games.

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22 minutes ago, habs1952 said:

Yeah.....11 overtime wins in 20 games.

Weren't 10 of them in a row? 

 

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I can’t remember how many were in a row all I know is after awhile I started hoping for overtime 

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3 hours ago, H_T_L said:

I was thinking more along the lines of a swap for Shaw.

I would rather keep Shaw over Brassard personally. Now if you could get Muzzin for Shaw, Benn and a 3rd I would take that even if it was Shaw, Hudon and a 3rd I would take it. Anything more than that and I would walk.

My opinion is our D isn't elite but it's not the Leafs or Blues either. I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade any of our top 6 D for this year or possibly most of next year either. I don't know if Mete can cut it as a #1LHD but he is the kind of stop gap we are talking about looking for until we find our true #1, young, fast, puck moving with good scoring potential. In 1-3 years we should have a great D line up with Weber, Petry, Juulsen, Fluery and Brook down the right and some combination of Romanov, Mete, Reilly, Kulak and Ouellette down the left. Even if we lose either Weber or Petry to a trade we should be ok on the right and as long as we DON'T lose Mete or Romanov we should be ok on the left for years to come. Would I like to see a proven #1 LHD now absolutely but my opinion is don't rush it keep trying to draft one and in the mean time try and get Romanov over here next year to see if he can handle the job.

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In this year's draft we have Calgary's 4th round pick, Chicago and Edmonton's 5th round picks, our 6th round pick, and Winnipeg's 7th round pick. I'd be willing to part with some of those draft choices for some depth if it looks like we might make the post-season. At this point, I'd also be willing to part with someone like Michael McCarron, although I doubt there's any market for him at all. 

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7 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

In this year's draft we have Calgary's 4th round pick, Chicago and Edmonton's 5th round picks, our 6th round pick, and Winnipeg's 7th round pick. I'd be willing to part with some of those draft choices for some depth if it looks like we might make the post-season. At this point, I'd also be willing to part with someone like Michael McCarron, although I doubt there's any market for him at all. 

Hasn't he improved under Bouchard? He may still be a long shot to make it with a team as a 4th line center... no?

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1 minute ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

Hasn't he improved under Bouchard? He may still be a long shot to make it with a team as a 4th line center... no?

I only know that he has 21 points in 32 games with Laval. I have no idea if he's improved his skating or anything else.

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1 minute ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I only know that he has 21 points in 32 games with Laval. I have no idea if he's improved his skating or anything else.

Have to look into it... I've heard now and then that Bouchard has really helped McCarron's game. If there was an injury to Chaput, I wonder if he would get a call-up?

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Here's some scouts that were at last nights game, whether or not they were scouting the Habs remains to be seen. 

 

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Here is the latest TSN Trade Bait board with 45 players potentially on the move, a list which seeks to balance prominence of player with his probability for moving in the rankings:

 

TRADE BAIT - JANUARY 16

 
PLAYER POS AGE GP G PTS CAP HIT YEARS
1. Matt Duchene, OTT C 27 37 18 42 $6M UFA
2. Wayne Simmonds, PHI RW 30 46 15 21 $3.98M UFA
3. Micheal Ferland, CAR LW 26 39 13 25 $1.75M UFA
4. Mats Zuccarello, NYR RW 31 33 7 21 $4.5M UFA
5. Oilers' 2019 1st-Rd Pick              
6. Sergei Bobrovsky, CBJ G 30 33 2.94 .903 $7.43M UFA
7. Dougie Hamilton, CAR RD 25 46 6 16 $5.75M 2
8. Gustav Nyquist, DET RW 29 48 11 40 $4.75M UFA
9. Jimmy Howard, DET G 34 32 2.71 .917 $5.3M UFA
10. Brayden Schenn, STL C 27 41 9 24 $5.13M 1
11. Jakob Silfverberg, ANA RW 28 42 12 19 $3.75M UFA
12. Charlie Coyle, MIN C 26 46 7 22 $3.2M 1
13. Kevin Hayes, NYR C 26 39 10 33 $5.18M UFA
14. Jesse Puljujarvi, EDM RW 20 35 4 7 $925K RFA
15. Cam Talbot, EDM G 31 26 3.17 .896 $4.17M UFA
16. Jake Muzzin, LAK LD 29 47 4 16 $4M 1
17. Colton Parayko, STL RD 25 45 8 12 $5.5M 3
18. Nick Bjugstad, FLA C/RW 26 29 4 10 $4.1M 2
19. Alex Edler, VAN LD 32 32 4 19 $5M UFA
20. Brett Pesce, CAR RD 23 37 3 10 $4.03M 5
21. Ryan Dzingel, OTT LW 26 44 18 33 $1.8M UFA
22. Kasperi Kapanen, TOR RW 22 45 15 28 $863K RFA
23. Andreas Johnsson, TOR LW 24 40 10 21 $788K RFA
24. Chris Kreider, NYR LW 27 45 21 33 $4.63M 1
25. Jeff Carter, LAK C 33 46 10 23 $5.27M 3
26. Nino Niederreiter, MIN RW 26 46 9 23 $5.25M 3
27. Cody Ceci, OTT RD 24 42 5 12 $4.3M RFA
28. Justin Faulk, CAR RD 26 46 3 17 $4.83M 1
29. Alex Steen, STL LW 34 32 6 15 $5.75M 2
30. Jay Bouwmeester, STL LD 35 41 2 10 $5.4M UFA
31. Alec Martinez, LAK RD 31 33 3 11 $4M 2
32. Patrick Maroon, STL LW 30 37 4 12 $1.75M UFA
33. Andre Burakovsky, WSH LW 23 40 5 9 $3M RFA
34. Marcus Johansson, NJD LW 28 34 6 15 $4.58M UFA
35. Michael Del Zotto, VAN LD 28 23 1 4 $3M UFA
36. Luke Schenn, ANA LD 29 8 0 0 $800K UFA
37. Bogdan Kiselvich, FLA LD 28 31 0 8 $925K UFA
38. Niklas Kronwall, DET LD 38 44 2 13 $4.75M UFA
39. Carl Hagelin, LAK LW 30 26 1 5 $4M UFA
40. Vlad Namestnikov, NYR LW 25 42 4 16 $4M 1
41. Chris Tanev, VAN RD 29 42 2 10 $4.45M 1
42. Sam Gagner, VAN RW 29 7 1 3 $3.15M 1
43. Jeff Skinner, BUF LW 26 46 30 44 $5.73M UFA
44. Artemi Panarin, CBJ LW 27 44 18 52 $6M UFA
45. Mark Stone, OTT RW 26 46 20 48 $7.35M UFA
 
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No Alzner or Schlemko on the list??? :P

I could actually see MB enquiring about Muzzin and Edler. I dont *think* he'll have any interest in Bouwmeester but you never know.

I think Muzzin's price will be too high and I think we'll eventually balk at Edler too. 

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26 minutes ago, maas_art said:

No Alzner or Schlemko on the list??? :P

I could actually see MB enquiring about Muzzin and Edler. I dont *think* he'll have any interest in Bouwmeester but you never know.

I think Muzzin's price will be too high and I think we'll eventually balk at Edler too. 

 i don't know what it would take but Muzzin for a year or two would be nice, our D would slot into more comfortable positions while they mature it would change our team for the better. we do have some forward depth we could move around like Shaw plus whatever else as long as it is a player we won't need, hard to say what that team feels it needs.

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39 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

 i don't know what it would take but Muzzin for a year or two would be nice, our D would slot into more comfortable positions while they mature it would change our team for the better. we do have some forward depth we could move around like Shaw plus whatever else as long as it is a player we won't need, hard to say what that team feels it needs.

Yeah Im on the fence about Muzzin because I do think he'd help in the short term.  Muzzin isnt an ideal first pairing guy but would slot in ahead of everyone else on our d corps and could be a short term band-aid solution for a year or 2.   However, I am pretty sure LA would want what we dont want to give up (picks, young players etc).

If we could get him for spare parts - say Schlemko-Hudon-3rd  or something, sure but Im assuming the Kings will want a quality prospect like Poehling or Romanov or someone plus a roster player.  

 

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What I find interesting is that the Oilers 1st RD. pick is #5 on the list to be moved. 

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48 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

What I find interesting is that the Oilers 1st RD. pick is #5 on the list to be moved. 

Theres a few teams that apparently have their 1st in play for the right deal (Toronto too) but the Oilers' could end up being a top 10 if they cant turn yet another season around.


 

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Drouin to edmonton for their 1st? Would you want more? I really want Edmonton's 1st!

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14 minutes ago, habsisme said:

Drouin to edmonton for their 1st? Would you want more? I really want Edmonton's 1st!

I think you could get it for Drouin but you would have to take Lucic back cause they are at max cap space. If it does end up as a top 10 do you take Ryan Suzuki or someone else?

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- Interesting to note the Kings had two scouts there last night. They could have been there for Florida too, but with the Habs in dire need of a LHD and Muzzin reportedly being available, that has me a little worried we're in discussions about him. I'm still worried Bergevin will do something dumb like flip a 2nd rounder and a prospect (like a Ylonen) for Muzzin or flip a 3rd rounder and a lower-tier prospect (like Evans) for Bouwmeester. I just don't see either one of those guys being worth an investment.

- The Oilers are more of an interesting trade option because their GM is dumb and everyone knows it, and he still makes bad trades even with everyone watching him like a hawk. We know they need a scoring winger. We know they don't really have the depth in goal or defence to deal from there either, albeit they reportedly would consider moving Talbot (doesn't help us anyways). So the two pieces the insiders say they would move that could be of value are Puljuujarvi and their 1st rounder. I would NOT trade Drouin for their 1st rounder. They could still easily be a playoff team in a very weak division and then we're left with a late first in exchange for a top-line forward (not to mention we ourselves gave up a top 10 draftee to get him). I would move Drouin to them in the off-season for their 1st rounder IF it was already established that it was a top 5 pick. Other than that, not a deal I would make. I think they could also have interest in Gallagher, who can score and is still on a very cheap contract. But in that case, I would want Puljuujarvi AND their 1st rounder AND I'd ask for a conditional 2nd round pick in 2020 if their 1st rounder is not a lottery pick this year. I don't feel pressured into making a deal with them, so they can take it or leave it if they want it. The last guy who might be of interest is Tatar, who has re-established himself as a scoring threat this season and demonstrated the time in Vegas was more an issue of fit than anything else. So if he garnered a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at the deadline last year, I'd be preaching that his current value has to be somewhat similar. So likewise, I'd be asking for the two assets in exchange, without any conditions on whether the pick is a lottery pick or not. Tatar's a guy I'd be open to trading if the return is right, so he could be an interesting piece to dangle for Chiarelli.

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2 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I think you could get it for Drouin but you would have to take Lucic back cause they are at max cap space. If it does end up as a top 10 do you take Ryan Suzuki or someone else?

I wouldn't be willing to take Lucic back. I'd do Tatar for Lucic and the 1st, but I hate Lucic's contract, its a real albatross for far too long

Don't know much about upcoming prospects, but I see he's ranked in the mid teens, could be interesting! But I'm hoping for Hughes! 

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5 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

- Interesting to note the Kings had two scouts there last night. They could have been there for Florida too, but with the Habs in dire need of a LHD and Muzzin reportedly being available, that has me a little worried we're in discussions about him. I'm still worried Bergevin will do something dumb like flip a 2nd rounder and a prospect (like a Ylonen) for Muzzin or flip a 3rd rounder and a lower-tier prospect (like Evans) for Bouwmeester. I just don't see either one of those guys being worth an investment.

- The Oilers are more of an interesting trade option because their GM is dumb and everyone knows it, and he still makes bad trades even with everyone watching him like a hawk. We know they need a scoring winger. We know they don't really have the depth in goal or defence to deal from there either, albeit they reportedly would consider moving Talbot (doesn't help us anyways). So the two pieces the insiders say they would move that could be of value are Puljuujarvi and their 1st rounder. I would NOT trade Drouin for their 1st rounder. They could still easily be a playoff team in a very weak division and then we're left with a late first in exchange for a top-line forward (not to mention we ourselves gave up a top 10 draftee to get him). I would move Drouin to them in the off-season for their 1st rounder IF it was already established that it was a top 5 pick. Other than that, not a deal I would make. I think they could also have interest in Gallagher, who can score and is still on a very cheap contract. But in that case, I would want Puljuujarvi AND their 1st rounder AND I'd ask for a conditional 2nd round pick in 2020 if their 1st rounder is not a lottery pick this year. I don't feel pressured into making a deal with them, so they can take it or leave it if they want it. The last guy who might be of interest is Tatar, who has re-established himself as a scoring threat this season and demonstrated the time in Vegas was more an issue of fit than anything else. So if he garnered a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at the deadline last year, I'd be preaching that his current value has to be somewhat similar. So likewise, I'd be asking for the two assets in exchange, without any conditions on whether the pick is a lottery pick or not. Tatar's a guy I'd be open to trading if the return is right, so he could be an interesting piece to dangle for Chiarelli.

I'd rather trade Drouin over Gallagher (I don't like Drouin). I also don't have much hope in Puljujarvi. But I do agree that we should really try to trade with Edmonton, and trading for the dmen you mentioned just isn't worth it

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4 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I wouldn't be willing to take Lucic back. I'd do Tatar for Lucic and the 1st, but I hate Lucic's contract, its a real albatross for far too long

Don't know much about upcoming prospects, but I see he's ranked in the mid teens, could be interesting! But I'm hoping for Hughes! 

I hate Lucic too and especially with that contract but we may as well face it we are not getting Hughes unless you can wrangle the Sens pick from the Avs

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12 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

- Interesting to note the Kings had two scouts there last night. They could have been there for Florida too, but with the Habs in dire need of a LHD and Muzzin reportedly being available, that has me a little worried we're in discussions about him. I'm still worried Bergevin will do something dumb like flip a 2nd rounder and a prospect (like a Ylonen) for Muzzin or flip a 3rd rounder and a lower-tier prospect (like Evans) for Bouwmeester. I just don't see either one of those guys being worth an investment.

- The Oilers are more of an interesting trade option because their GM is dumb and everyone knows it, and he still makes bad trades even with everyone watching him like a hawk. We know they need a scoring winger. We know they don't really have the depth in goal or defence to deal from there either, albeit they reportedly would consider moving Talbot (doesn't help us anyways). So the two pieces the insiders say they would move that could be of value are Puljuujarvi and their 1st rounder. I would NOT trade Drouin for their 1st rounder. They could still easily be a playoff team in a very weak division and then we're left with a late first in exchange for a top-line forward (not to mention we ourselves gave up a top 10 draftee to get him). I would move Drouin to them in the off-season for their 1st rounder IF it was already established that it was a top 5 pick. Other than that, not a deal I would make. I think they could also have interest in Gallagher, who can score and is still on a very cheap contract. But in that case, I would want Puljuujarvi AND their 1st rounder AND I'd ask for a conditional 2nd round pick in 2020 if their 1st rounder is not a lottery pick this year. I don't feel pressured into making a deal with them, so they can take it or leave it if they want it. The last guy who might be of interest is Tatar, who has re-established himself as a scoring threat this season and demonstrated the time in Vegas was more an issue of fit than anything else. So if he garnered a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at the deadline last year, I'd be preaching that his current value has to be somewhat similar. So likewise, I'd be asking for the two assets in exchange, without any conditions on whether the pick is a lottery pick or not. Tatar's a guy I'd be open to trading if the return is right, so he could be an interesting piece to dangle for Chiarelli.

My thought was MB would send Petry to L.A. for Muzzin in one of his infamous 1 for 1 deals.

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