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28 minutes ago, tony5775 said:

You are most likely correct. He is only looking for 2 million. If they do not sign another LD, just wondering if he could help the PP and be a third pairing. 

I really don't think he could help the PP or the third pairing.

Anything other than a one-day contract for Markov to retire a Hab would be a mistake.

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16 hours ago, habs1952 said:

You'd have to be a moron to sign Markov. 

Yes.

3 hours ago, tony5775 said:

You are most likely correct. He is only looking for 2 million. If they do not sign another LD, just wondering if he could help the PP and be a third pairing. 

I don't see it. He was barely hanging on as an even-strength player when he left and he's supposedly gotten even slower in the KHL. You look at the failed experiment to bring Mark Streit back and I don't see this going any differently. Even if you sign him as a PP specialist, he hurts you by not giving you acceptable minutes at ES and on the PK, which then taxes your other defencemen to make up for him.

It could not be more of hard no for me on Markov. Great player in his day and too bad he couldn't have hit 1000 games here before, but the team needs to move on and stop re-hashing guys we've had here before (both players and coaches). This team in general spends too much time living in the past. MB has the cap room and the trade assets and he needs to be able to find a top 4 guy who can help the PP AND be a good ES player. It should be doable, and there are plenty of guys rumored to be available... whether it's Gardiner, Ghost, Matheson, Klefbom, Werenski, Murray, Provorov, Fowler, etc. MB has to do better than Andrei Markov as his Plan A.

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Yes.

I don't see it. He was barely hanging on as an even-strength player when he left and he's supposedly gotten even slower in the KHL. You look at the failed experiment to bring Mark Streit back and I don't see this going any differently. Even if you sign him as a PP specialist, he hurts you by not giving you acceptable minutes at ES and on the PK, which then taxes your other defencemen to make up for him.

It could not be more of hard no for me on Markov. Great player in his day and too bad he couldn't have hit 1000 games here before, but the team needs to move on and stop re-hashing guys we've had here before (both players and coaches). This team in general spends too much time living in the past. MB has the cap room and the trade assets and he needs to be able to find a top 4 guy who can help the PP AND be a good ES player. It should be doable, and there are plenty of guys rumored to be available... whether it's Gardiner, Ghost, Matheson, Klefbom, Werenski, Murray, Provorov, Fowler, etc. MB has to do better than Andrei Markov as his Plan A.

100% it would be a joke and i was a big Marky fan!

 

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On 7/19/2019 at 0:24 PM, BigTed3 said:

Yes.

I don't see it. He was barely hanging on as an even-strength player when he left and he's supposedly gotten even slower in the KHL. You look at the failed experiment to bring Mark Streit back and I don't see this going any differently. Even if you sign him as a PP specialist, he hurts you by not giving you acceptable minutes at ES and on the PK, which then taxes your other defencemen to make up for him.

 

Markov's last year was good and I'd not characterize it as "barely hanging on" ... he got some injuries, had 36pts in 62games (rougly 50 over 82) and was a +18 ... if he had signed a 2 year deal that year and retired this summer I would have been very happy, he was still our best LD and would've helped our PP the last couple of years in a reduced role on even strength.    

Now however?  It's clear from his 2 seasons in KHL he severely declined and would struggle in the NHL.

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2 hours ago, HabsAlways said:

Markov's last year was good and I'd not characterize it as "barely hanging on" ... he got some injuries, had 36pts in 62games (rougly 50 over 82) and was a +18 ... if he had signed a 2 year deal that year and retired this summer I would have been very happy, he was still our best LD and would've helped our PP the last couple of years in a reduced role on even strength.    

Now however?  It's clear from his 2 seasons in KHL he severely declined and would struggle in the NHL.

I would have also considered re-signing Markov to a one-year deal once we came up empty at getting anyone else... he would have been better than Streit/Alzner/Schlemko/etc. But the best option would still have been to move on from him and come up with another plan altogether.

Yes, Markov put up a fair number of points in his last year, but like I said, he was barely hanging on as an even-strength player... his skating was pretty atrocious and he was getting blown by frequently. He spent about 80-90% of his ice time on with Petry or Weber, and those two pretty well carried him. Markov's Corsi was a whopping 5% lower without Petry than it was with Petry. So yeah, those two did well together, but it was mainly Petry driving that pairing. Markov was clearly on the decline and we found out that his speed and play have not surprisingly dropped off in the KHL over the past two years.

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Eklund saying we are talking to Winnipeg about Laine but that the key player in a deal for him would be Domi. 

Its Eklund so i wouldnt put too much stock in it, but id be surprised if we werent at least talking to Winnipeg right now. I dont think MB would consider moving Domi- so its either all fabricated by eklund, or its the Winnipeg ask but not something MB would do.

I  could still see a deal that included Drouin + prospect + pick.

 

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47 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Eklund saying we are talking to Winnipeg about Laine but that the key player in a deal for him would be Domi. 

Its Eklund so i wouldnt put too much stock in it, but id be surprised if we werent at least talking to Winnipeg right now. I dont think MB would consider moving Domi- so its either all fabricated by eklund, or its the Winnipeg ask but not something MB would do.

I  could still see a deal that included Drouin + prospect + pick.

 

Hang on. Now I really like Domi and was the only one on this site that saw what a great pick up he was in the beginning.

But Laine for Domi, ahmmmm might have to consider that one. A real natural goal scorer is hard to come by.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, tony5775 said:

Hang on. Now I really like Domi and was the only one on this site that saw what a great pick up he was in the beginning.

But Laine for Domi, ahmmmm might have to consider that one. A real natural goal scorer is hard to come by.

 

 

I will admit I didn't want Domi to begin with and now I don't want to trade him at a loss however we are pretty deep at centre and may even need to move him back to wing to open a spot for someone so if your doing Domi for Liane straight up yeah I would make that trade as long as it was a sign and trade so we know he would be signed.

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1 hour ago, campabee82 said:

I will admit I didn't want Domi to begin with and now I don't want to trade him at a loss however we are pretty deep at centre and may even need to move him back to wing to open a spot for someone so if your doing Domi for Liane straight up yeah I would make that trade as long as it was a sign and trade so we know he would be signed.

I actually wouldn't do that trade even up. Laine will cost to much and is way to much of a one dimensional player. Domi with the right line mates I think will continue to get better and played hard at both ends of the ice and never gave up. I think Lainie could end up in Juliiens dog house to easy. Yes he has a great shot but when he's not scoring , Druoin 2.0

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1 hour ago, xxdocxx said:

Here you go again trading Droiun haha.

 

And like i said before - its because he has value.  He's 24, has two 50+ point seasons - and has a bucket of talent. 

If someone would give me Laine for Byron + prospect + pick  or Tatar + Prospect + Pick then im all for it.  Its not going to happen though. The only way you're getting a quality player is to give up some quality & Drouin is probably odd man out on this roster.

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1 hour ago, campabee82 said:

I will admit I didn't want Domi to begin with and now I don't want to trade him at a loss however we are pretty deep at centre and may even need to move him back to wing to open a spot for someone so if your doing Domi for Liane straight up yeah I would make that trade as long as it was a sign and trade so we know he would be signed.

If you trade Domi our center situation sucks. You gotta stop assuming any of our young PROSPECTS(at any position) are gonna be great until they actually prove it. 

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2 hours ago, habs1952 said:

If you trade Domi our center situation sucks. You gotta stop assuming any of our young PROSPECTS(at any position) are gonna be great until they actually prove it. 

Danault, Kotkaniemi, Poehing Thompson, Weal they all have at least a year with the exception of Poehling so there is no assuming here we have depth at centre right now even maybe too much depending on how the prospects work out.

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6 hours ago, campabee82 said:

Danault, Kotkaniemi, Poehing Thompson, Weal they all have at least a year with the exception of Poehling so there is no assuming here we have depth at centre right now even maybe too much depending on how the prospects work out.

Weal only played center for us when JK actually slumped being a rookie. There is no for sure that JK will even have as good as season this year as last. He was sheltered on the 3rd line against weaker opponents and he's not surprising anyone this year. He "may" end up great , but that may still take a couple of years. Poehling I believe will do alright but he is still going to be a rookie so we have no real idea. Danault and Thompson are the two only real known quantities we have there. Also when Lainie goes into a slump and he's not back checking and playing hard , which happened just last year! The fans will be on him just like Drouin , but it'll be at 10 million a season. At least when Drouin doesn't play up to his talent it's still a somewhat reasonable contract. I think if we're patient Colfield in a year from now 20-21 season may be that sniper we're looking for. I could see 20-21 season being a turn around with then Suzuki and Colfield both coming in and hopefully the Russian defenseman. Everyone wants to build through draft but no one has the actual patient to let it play out. I want to make the playoffs every year myself but Domi who is young great vision plays hard everywhere on the ice I don't want to give up. Domi is the type player who can makes others better around him where Laine has a great shot, take his shot away and what are his other great qualities? Ovie great shot but also a dominate bull of a player. Has skill for high light goals and crushing hits and when they won the cup he was even blocking shots playing hard everywhere. I would love a player with his shot for our pp and him as a supplement to Domi or even JK in the future maybe, but I'm not giving up Domi for him. IMO Domi brings way more to the game.

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1 hour ago, CaptWelly said:

Weal only played center for us when JK actually slumped being a rookie. There is no for sure that JK will even have as good as season this year as last. He was sheltered on the 3rd line against weaker opponents and he's not surprising anyone this year. He "may" end up great , but that may still take a couple of years. Poehling I believe will do alright but he is still going to be a rookie so we have no real idea. Danault and Thompson are the two only real known quantities we have there. Also when Lainie goes into a slump and he's not back checking and playing hard , which happened just last year! The fans will be on him just like Drouin , but it'll be at 10 million a season. At least when Drouin doesn't play up to his talent it's still a somewhat reasonable contract. I think if we're patient Colfield in a year from now 20-21 season may be that sniper we're looking for. I could see 20-21 season being a turn around with then Suzuki and Colfield both coming in and hopefully the Russian defenseman. Everyone wants to build through draft but no one has the actual patient to let it play out. I want to make the playoffs every year myself but Domi who is young great vision plays hard everywhere on the ice I don't want to give up. Domi is the type player who can makes others better around him where Laine has a great shot, take his shot away and what are his other great qualities? Ovie great shot but also a dominate bull of a player. Has skill for high light goals and crushing hits and when they won the cup he was even blocking shots playing hard everywhere. I would love a player with his shot for our pp and him as a supplement to Domi or even JK in the future maybe, but I'm not giving up Domi for him. IMO Domi brings way more to the game.

I agree but disagree as well. Weal may have only played centre for us when JK was out but that is where he spent most of his JR and NHL career so he is a known albeit hasn't had great numbers but if you have Poehling, Danault JK and Thompson to fill all your lines then Weal is good enough to centre the 4th line in a pinch. Like I said at the start IF the plan is to move Domi back to the wing then trading him for Laine MIGHT make sense. Although like you I would like to see what Caufield and Suzuki can do, however like everyone likes to point out they are not guarantees and may never play an NHL game where as Laine is a proven goal scorer and physical play can be taught. I didn't like Domi when he arrived but he ranks in the top 5 of my favorite players on the Habs now so I see the value in having him around but we desperately need a shooter so if we could move Drouin or Byron or almost anyone rules for a Laine then yeah you keep Domi but if the cost is Domi straight up I would still have to consider it

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I don't think the plan is to move Domi back to wing, at least I hope it isn't. The situation may be a little different had we managed to sign Duchene but 2018/2019 Domi is hands-down the most offensively-gifted center on the team. This could change eventually, depending on Koktaniemi's progress and Poehling's and Suzuki's development, but all that remains to be seen and none of them is ready for No1 center duty.

 

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15 hours ago, maas_art said:

Eklund saying we are talking to Winnipeg about Laine but that the key player in a deal for him would be Domi. 

Its Eklund so i wouldnt put too much stock in it, but id be surprised if we werent at least talking to Winnipeg right now. I dont think MB would consider moving Domi- so its either all fabricated by eklund, or its the Winnipeg ask but not something MB would do.

I  could still see a deal that included Drouin + prospect + pick.

 

I'd rather keep Domi than trade him for Laine.

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1 hour ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I'd rather keep Domi than trade him for Laine.

Me as well. I think that Laine has more top-end potential but last year really worries me.  He scored 30 goals on the year but 18 of them game in the month of November.  Thats 12 goals for 5+ months.  He's a pretty one-dimensional player so if he's not scoring you're not getting a lot out of him. I feel like the Montreal fans might turn on him in a hurry. 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

Me as well. I think that Laine has more top-end potential but last year really worries me.  He scored 30 goals on the year but 18 of them game in the month of November.  Thats 12 goals for 5+ months.  He's a pretty one-dimensional player so if he's not scoring you're not getting a lot out of him. I feel like the Montreal fans might turn on him in a hurry. 

Most likely. We need to have at least one major scapegoat every season. It could easily be Laine if he played here and went into a major slump after getting himself a big contract.

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21 hours ago, campabee82 said:

Danault, Kotkaniemi, Poehing Thompson, Weal they all have at least a year with the exception of Poehling so there is no assuming here we have depth at centre right now even maybe too much depending on how the prospects work out.

Yeah, we have depth at center, but subtract Domi and we have very little proven talent.

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21 hours ago, campabee82 said:

Danault, Kotkaniemi, Poehing Thompson, Weal they all have at least a year with the exception of Poehling so there is no assuming here we have depth at centre right now even maybe too much depending on how the prospects work out.

double post.

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