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16 hours ago, HARBORSPORT said:

no, I have assigned Drouin to zamboni duty for the upcoming season..................

That’s a little harsh.  I think Marc Bergevin has done an excellent job playing the patience game this off season.  I think Drouin is still part of the solution in MTL.  Maybe the addition of Duchene helps Drouin.  The addition of CC to your prospect pool makes pieces like Shaw and Byron expendable, both now and eventually.  By the time CC becomes a Hab will most likely by 21-22.  Your line combos by then are:

Poehling, Kotkaniemi, Caufield 

Drouin, Domi, Suzuki

Tatar, Danault, Gallagher

Lehkon, Ikonen, Armia

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32 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

LOL! thats a bit strong! he will be too expensive but he is a very good hockey player. i don't think he is what we need but you never know how things may shake out.

Agreed.  Any team that adds Duchene will be better in the short term but when you look at our development camp, you really wonder if there's any room for more forwards.

Poehling, Suzuki, Caufield all apparently really impressing today (not to mention guys like Evans) and we already have so many young forwards in JK, Drouin, Domi - and guys with plenty of juice left in the tank like Gallagher, Tatar, Danault etc. 

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3 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Agreed.  Any team that adds Duchene will be better in the short term but when you look at our development camp, you really wonder if there's any room for more forwards.

Poehling, Suzuki, Caufield all apparently really impressing today (not to mention guys like Evans) and we already have so many young forwards in JK, Drouin, Domi - and guys with plenty of juice left in the tank like Gallagher, Tatar, Danault etc. 

And the cap hit! He's a second line center with a poor attitude who only shows up when its good for him. If it was 5 million i would do it, but it will 8 to 10 million

I like this team. Build from within. I'm not looking for a cup this year, just make the playoffs and win a round

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What about getting Gustoffso from the Hawks? LHD 27years old plays over 22 minutes a night 4th on their depth chart behid Keith, Maata and DeHaan had 60 points in 72 games skates well and great puck mover and signed to a 1.2 mil cap hit through next season. Wonder if he could be had for cheap

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23 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

What about getting Gustoffso from the Hawks? LHD 27years old plays over 22 minutes a night 4th on their depth chart behid Keith, Maata and DeHaan had 60 points in 72 games skates well and great puck mover and signed to a 1.2 mil cap hit through next season. Wonder if he could be had for cheap

Shaw for Gustafson I could see.

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1 hour ago, campabee82 said:

What about getting Gustoffso from the Hawks? LHD 27years old plays over 22 minutes a night 4th on their depth chart behid Keith, Maata and DeHaan had 60 points in 72 games skates well and great puck mover and signed to a 1.2 mil cap hit through next season. Wonder if he could be had for cheap

Hrm. I cant see Chicago looking at him as that far down their depth chart. I would imagine they consider him - skill + age - to be their most important core dman. 

Id certainly gladly take him off their hands but I think it would take a lot to get him.

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58 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Hrm. I cant see Chicago looking at him as that far down their depth chart. I would imagine they consider him - skill + age - to be their most important core dman. 

Id certainly gladly take him off their hands but I think it would take a lot to get him.

Normally I would agree with this but he is a UFA at the end of the year and is expected to get a significant increase and we know Kieth has said he isn't waiving his NMC and they didn't just get Maata and De Haan to trade so he is the odd man out. Plus Seabrooke isn't going anywhere either are Murray, Jokaharu or Boqvist on the right the Hawks simply have too many D 

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5 hours ago, maas_art said:

Agreed.  Any team that adds Duchene will be better in the short term but when you look at our development camp, you really wonder if there's any room for more forwards.

Poehling, Suzuki, Caufield all apparently really impressing today (not to mention guys like Evans) and we already have so many young forwards in JK, Drouin, Domi - and guys with plenty of juice left in the tank like Gallagher, Tatar, Danault etc. 

Heard that Evans and Ylonen have also been quite impressive, in addition to the trio you mentioned. Some of the media think Poehling is a lock to make the Habs by how far ahead of the "kids" he is, and some also think Caufield is going to push for a roster spot this year, primarily because he fills a need (sharp shooter, PP help, shootout prowess). Not sure there's a roster spot for him, like you alluded to, unless there's a trade to free up a space.

The more we hear about Duchene, the more it seems like it's a bad move to sign him. Not because he wouldn't help, but with the lower rise in cap than was projected and the Hayes contract bumping the market, it's going to be hard to squeeze Duchene in. The bigger need seems to be LHD, and as I've said before, the only way I can see signing Duchene working is if it means we're dealing Drouin and his 5.5M cap hit for LHD help.

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4 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Eric Engels reporting the Habs met with Keith Kincaid today.

If there's one guy we don't want, it's Kincaid. Was probably up there with Niemi last year for worst goalie in the league.

Agreed but MB know talent when he sees it just look at Alzner LMAO wish Timmons was in charge he knows what he is doing and thrives at spotting young talent 

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42 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Eric Engels reporting the Habs met with Keith Kincaid today.

If there's one guy we don't want, it's Kincaid. Was probably up there with Niemi last year for worst goalie in the league.

 

36 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

Agreed but MB know talent when he sees it just look at Alzner LMAO wish Timmons was in charge he knows what he is doing and thrives at spotting young talent 

I think with goalies they defer to Waite - and in fairness, Waite brought Neimi back from the dead.. but last year his time was up and he turned into the proverbial pumpkin. 

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5 minutes ago, maas_art said:

 

I think with goalies they defer to Waite - and in fairness, Waite brought Neimi back from the dead.. but last year his time was up and he turned into the proverbial pumpkin. 

I personally think Lindgren is better than KIncaid. I'd be good with McElhinney or Mrazek or Talbot in that order (primarily because of cost), but Kincaid is a huge no for me.

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2 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Chris Johnston of Sportsnet reporting that he believes the Habs offer to Duchene will be for more money than the Preds' offer. Although it would have to be given the differences in taxes...

WHY!? He's a second line selfish player. Leaf are in cap trouble because of Tavares, Matthews, not Duchene! So who are losing in a couple of years? Cause Gallager is not taking 7 million if Duch is making 9! What will Domi be worth when he outplay Duchene? 

This is crazy, this is a disaster imo

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25 minutes ago, habsisme said:

WHY!? He's a second line selfish player. Leaf are in cap trouble because of Tavares, Matthews, not Duchene! So who are losing in a couple of years? Cause Gallager is not taking 7 million if Duch is making 9! What will Domi be worth when he outplay Duchene? 

This is crazy, this is a disaster imo

I don't mind the idea of signing Duchene I get the arguments against it but the same can be said about Drouin poor defensively only plays for himself but some believe his positives out weigh his negatives as far as Gallagher and Domi and others whether we get Duchene or not they are still going to want increases at market value and we are still going to have to move out people to resign others as long as Domi, KK, Price, Weber, Suzuki, Poeling, Caufield and Gallagher remain the key pieces and of course Duchene if he comes here who really cares who moves out? Weber is likely to retire in the next 3-5 years as is Price we have boatloads of prospects coming through to replace the fringe players so I say take as many shots at the cup as you can and the money is the easy part to deal with.

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52 minutes ago, habsisme said:

WHY!? He's a second line selfish player. Leaf are in cap trouble because of Tavares, Matthews, not Duchene! So who are losing in a couple of years? Cause Gallager is not taking 7 million if Duch is making 9! What will Domi be worth when he outplay Duchene? 

This is crazy, this is a disaster imo

I also think that if we get Duchene and Poeling, Suzuki and Caufield all push for roster spots we open up way more trade options for a LHD plus you could also unload Alzner's contract by adding him to a deal where you sell say Shaw or Drouin lower than fair value as long as the receiving team takes Alzner as well

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I read somewhere that Duchene was also a Montreal fan growing up.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if, for every time we built up a free agent signing that didn't come here, we finally get the one we don't really want? I really, really don't want to add Duchene on some stupid seven year long contract. I'm pretty sure the taxes between playing in Montreal and Nashville are significant as well, meaning we'd probably have to offer something that would really ding our salary cap space. I would guesstimate more than $8.5 million for sure. Maybe more than $9.5 million.

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12 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Chris Johnston of Sportsnet reporting that he believes the Habs offer to Duchene will be for more money than the Preds' offer. Although it would have to be given the differences in taxes...

And this is how you screw up in the off season.    Our burning need is not a C ... we've addressed that through Domi, Danault and our prospect pool (JK, Poehling, Suzuki). 

Our burning need is not a forward either.

We need a LD ... and signing Duchene means we'll be giving up prospects to get a LD most likely, which will once again set us back years.

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8 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

And this is how you screw up in the off season.    Our burning need is not a C ... we've addressed that through Domi, Danault and our prospect pool (JK, Poehling, Suzuki). 

Our burning need is not a forward either.

We need a LD ... and signing Duchene means we'll be giving up prospects to get a LD most likely, which will once again set us back years.

I just feel like Bergevin isn't going to be able to resolve the LD problem this season. It'll be Weber, Petry, Kulak, Reilly, Juulsen, Folin, and Mete. And we'll have to make do with that. Unfortunate.

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3 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I just feel like Bergevin isn't going to be able to resolve the LD problem this season. It'll be Weber, Petry, Kulak, Reilly, Juulsen, Folin, and Mete. And we'll have to make do with that. Unfortunate.

Yes but signing Duchene to a long term big contract creates problems 2-3 years from now when guys like JK, Poehling, Suzuki and anybody else are coming off their ELCs.    Signing Duchene means you have 3 guys in their 30's on 10m+ contracts who are all declining.

If we're signing a UFA it should be for the hole we have, not at the expense of our future.

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49 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

And this is how you screw up in the off season.    Our burning need is not a C ... we've addressed that through Domi, Danault and our prospect pool (JK, Poehling, Suzuki). 

Our burning need is not a forward either.

We need a LD ... and signing Duchene means we'll be giving up prospects to get a LD most likely, which will once again set us back years.

1. It still works though IF MB signs Duchene and then is able to trade another forward for a top-pairing LHD. Big IF, however.

2. I think MB has been turned down by so many big name free agents and didn't even get an interview with Tavares last year... I wonder how much of this is based on Bergevin's pride that maybe he can finally land a big fish and a player he likes, given he's tried to trade for him twice already.

3. We also have to keep in mind that we don't know how secure Bergevin's job is. He's missed the playoffs two consecutive years and 3 of the last 4, and that's one of the longest stretches of futility in Habs' history. He's told us he doesn't want to sacrifice prospects for big-name players who can't help long-term, but he might be completely fine with sacrificing cap space and years down the line when he may not be here.

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54 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

1. It still works though IF MB signs Duchene and then is able to trade another forward for a top-pairing LHD. Big IF, however.

2. I think MB has been turned down by so many big name free agents and didn't even get an interview with Tavares last year... I wonder how much of this is based on Bergevin's pride that maybe he can finally land a big fish and a player he likes, given he's tried to trade for him twice already.

3. We also have to keep in mind that we don't know how secure Bergevin's job is. He's missed the playoffs two consecutive years and 3 of the last 4, and that's one of the longest stretches of futility in Habs' history. He's told us he doesn't want to sacrifice prospects for big-name players who can't help long-term, but he might be completely fine with sacrificing cap space and years down the line when he may not be here.

Good points. 

1. If we sign Duchene you have to think someone is getting dealt. There's just too many players that need good ice time.  And with the report they are still grooming Suzuki as a centre?  Thats a lot of pivots.

2. Yes, this is worrisome.  

3. I was also thinking about this.  Long term deals usually start hurting the team after a GM is gone.  I think most people would agree that adding Duchene to this roster can only make us better (he'd easily be one of the top 3 forwards on the team so no matter where he plays he's not bumping someone down the lineup who is better than him) but for how long? and at what point does the cap hit hurt us more than his skill helps us? Not this year or probably next but the following?  And will MB still be here?    Lots of questions for sure.

I honestly would be fine signing duchene for like 4 years but I am assuming he wants a 7 year deal and that is a big concern to me.  

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8 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Good points. 

1. If we sign Duchene you have to think someone is getting dealt. There's just too many players that need good ice time.  And with the report they are still grooming Suzuki as a centre?  Thats a lot of pivots.

2. Yes, this is worrisome.  

3. I was also thinking about this.  Long term deals usually start hurting the team after a GM is gone.  I think most people would agree that adding Duchene to this roster can only make us better (he'd easily be one of the top 3 forwards on the team so no matter where he plays he's not bumping someone down the lineup who is better than him) but for how long? and at what point does the cap hit hurt us more than his skill helps us? Not this year or probably next but the following?  And will MB still be here?    Lots of questions for sure.

I honestly would be fine signing duchene for like 4 years but I am assuming he wants a 7 year deal and that is a big concern to me.  

IMHO signing Duchene is not really that big of deal even at 9-9.5 Mil for 7 years. Lets look at it from another angle, next year I would be surprised if Peca, Deslauriers, Weise, Thompson and Folin get another contract that right there saves you 6.4 Mil plus Mason's contract is off the books that's almost  enough to upgrade Domi and Mete. The following year we probably won't have Petry or resign Weal and can move any other number of fringe contracts like Drouin, Shaw, Lehkonen, Armia, Danault, Byron, Tatar, Reilly and Kulak to easily make up what you need to resign the rest of the core. After that Weber and Price will be considering retirement or have like 3 years left on their contracts. Maybe I am an optimist but I feel like adding Duchene is a yes every time. I know there is concern about his compete or if he plays just for himself but you also have to consider this is 1. HIS JOB! and 2. It may be different for him to play for his boyhood team.

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10 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

IMHO signing Duchene is not really that big of deal even at 9-9.5 Mil for 7 years. Lets look at it from another angle, next year I would be surprised if Peca, Deslauriers, Weise, Thompson and Folin get another contract that right there saves you 6.4 Mil plus Mason's contract is off the books that's almost  enough to upgrade Domi and Mete. The following year we probably won't have Petry or resign Weal and can move any other number of fringe contracts like Drouin, Shaw, Lehkonen, Armia, Danault, Byron, Tatar, Reilly and Kulak to easily make up what you need to resign the rest of the core. After that Weber and Price will be considering retirement or have like 3 years left on their contracts. Maybe I am an optimist but I feel like adding Duchene is a yes every time. I know there is concern about his compete or if he plays just for himself but you also have to consider this is 1. HIS JOB! and 2. It may be different for him to play for his boyhood team.

the first million dollars of any contract basically doesn't count. We are going to have cap trouble if we sign Duchene, there is no question about that. How much you paying Domi? Gallagher? JK? 

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2 hours ago, HabsAlways said:

Yes but signing Duchene to a long term big contract creates problems 2-3 years from now when guys like JK, Poehling, Suzuki and anybody else are coming off their ELCs.    Signing Duchene means you have 3 guys in their 30's on 10m+ contracts who are all declining.

If we're signing a UFA it should be for the hole we have, not at the expense of our future.

Agreed. And just to be clear, I certainly wouldn't advocate signing Duchene just because we can't solve a problem at a position of need. Although, I'm sure it will look bad if Bergevin has cap space AGAIN and fails to make the playoffs AGAIN. But maybe it looks worse if he has no cap space, a new seven year deal for Duchene, AND we miss the playoffs. :blink:

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