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18 hours ago, Paul Martin said:

How about the Habs send Byron , Danault and Tatar  ( To make the Cap work )  and Caufield, Guhle and a First to Buffalo for Eichel,  Habs new first line would be Toffoli, Eichel, Gallagher.  Burffalo gets some nice pieces to begin rebuild. 

Eichel is a $10M cap hit - Buffalo has zero motivation to trade him within this season. In the words of Tiger Williams - they are done like dinner - they are not rescuing this season. Also not realistic that Buffalo does a trade with us in their division next year. They would be better suited to do an Eichel trade in the off season, where they would get more offers. Buffalo is likely to get the #1 or a top 3 pick for this year from their standings, plus a #1draft pick from another team, and a top prospect and 1 roster player from another team (minimum 3 for 1 deal). Eichel still doesn't vault us into top 4 contender for next year (yes he makes us better but not IMO into the top stratosphere). We would have to clear significant cap room as we only have $15M probably $18M assuming Byron, Chiarot or Allen get claimed by the Kraken and we have to a) likely replace Allen with a good backup as he is most likely to be claimed b) Give KK a raise to a bridge contract likely $2.5M to $3M b) likely resign Lehkonen - $2M c) replace Danualt, Tatar, and Armia - likely Caufield could be one of those pieces. Simply put, we cannot afford an Eichel at this time.

First priority IMO for MB, is to convince Seattle to take Byron, Chiarot or even Lehkonen vs. Allen. Unload the other two via some other trades for draft picks or better quality roster players. We need serious upgrades over Danault, but there are not many quality young centres available, so something has to be given by MB. With what is in the cupboard on our defense prospects, I am not adverse to trading our #1 pick for a quality centre at least a #2 line. I wouldn't give Caufield away as even though he is a smurf, his track record and NCAA results are impressive. 

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21 hours ago, Paul Martin said:

Ok Fair Enough.  No question the Kid is a great Prospect but he is a Prospect and it could be years before he develops into a good Pro.   If you have to include him as a corner piece in a deal to get Eichel I think they should do it. 

I'm not thinking it'll take years. His center, Jack Hughes started in the NHL right away. Auston Matthews went right into the NHL after his draft year.  CC has had 2 years to develop his skill set. He's going to be with the Habs, this year! MMW's. For more pertinent CC info please go to the CC thread. Lots of interesting reads there.

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On 3/6/2021 at 10:57 AM, Paul Martin said:

How about the Habs send Byron , Danault and Tatar  ( To make the Cap work )  and Caufield, Guhle and a First to Buffalo for Eichel,  Habs new first line would be Toffoli, Eichel, Gallagher.  Burffalo gets some nice pieces to begin rebuild. 

Would I want Eichel? Obviously. Would i give up any of the guys you listed there? yes, absolutely.  But you're offering a heck of a lot. I know he's a franchise type player but(so far at least) he's more of a Tavares type than a McDavid. There's nothing wrong with that (and he hasnt exactly had a stellar supporting cast) but am I willing to give up that much for him? Probably not.  Id absolutely do your package above for McDavid or a Crosby-in-his-prime.

But you're suggesting 3 veterans,  2 of our top5 prospects and a 1st.  Thats a ton. I know there are salary cap concerns but Danault & Tatar (and even Byron who is obviously overpaid) are more than just salary dump players.  Also, as impending UFA (with Barfalo almost certainly missing the playoffs) they have probably close to zero appeal as commodities to the sabres.


I just feel like the package we'd need to put togehter to get Eichel would include too many moving parts & while it would be great to add an Elite talent up front, we'd be giving up too much & gutting our depth.  While Im sure they would want Caufleld or Guhle, I also think they'd be pushing hard for Romanov and most likely would insist on Suzuki or JK as part of the return. 

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11 hours ago, electron58 said:

I'm not thinking it'll take years. His center, Jack Hughes started in the NHL right away. Auston Matthews went right into the NHL after his draft year.  CC has had 2 years to develop his skill set. He's going to be with the Habs, this year! MMW's. For more pertinent CC info please go to the CC thread. Lots of interesting reads there.

Maybe So.  Or could be like Filip Zadeno (  supposed can't miss Sniper ) , Higher Draft pick than CC (6 in  2018 ) lit up the Q and World Juniors. Still under development. 

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58 minutes ago, Paul Martin said:

Maybe So.  Or could be like Filip Zadeno (  supposed can't miss Sniper ) , Higher Draft pick than CC (6 in  2018 ) lit up the Q and World Juniors. Still under development. 

Time will tell but this kid has the hands and we have some better centers right now to pass to him with our more forward thinking coaching I think this kid will fir right in. he has grown into each level he has played at and he seems to have the fire to get it done I am pretty pumped to see him here same as I was for Suzuki we have done some good drafting recently.

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On 3/6/2021 at 10:57 AM, Paul Martin said:

How about the Habs send Byron , Danault and Tatar  ( To make the Cap work )  and Caufield, Guhle and a First to Buffalo for Eichel,  Habs new first line would be Toffoli, Eichel, Gallagher.  Burffalo gets some nice pieces to begin rebuild. 

What if you could do say... Price + Caufield + 1st  for Eichel?

 

 ( i know it wouldnt happen because there's no way Price waives his NMC to go to Barfalo but just for fun)... 

 

 

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When I think about what it would take to land Eichel, I feel like it would have to be something like this:

Nick Suzuki (or) Jersperi Kotkaniemi
First round draft choice
Paul Byron
And another highly touted prospect (Romanov, Norlinder, Caulfield, etc.)
Maybe you add another piece in an effort to balance the cap.

And Buffalo has to eat some of Eichel's cap hit. This isi way too much in my mind, but... If you want Eichel, get ready to pay up.

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30 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

When I think about what it would take to land Eichel, I feel like it would have to be something like this:

Nick Suzuki (or) Jersperi Kotkaniemi
First round draft choice
Paul Byron
And another highly touted prospect (Romanov, Norlinder, Caulfield, etc.)
Maybe you add another piece in an effort to balance the cap.

And Buffalo has to eat some of Eichel's cap hit. This isi way too much in my mind, but... If you want Eichel, get ready to pay up.

I wouldn't do Suzuki. JK and a 1st and a top prospect not Caulfield or Romanov and I'm in. If we had to we could add Byron or Lehk.

Eichel

Suzuki

Evans

Poehling

If we didn't resign Danault to save extra $. 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

What if you could do say... Price + Caufield + 1st  for Eichel?

 

 ( i know it wouldnt happen because there's no way Price waives his NMC to go to Barfalo but just for fun)... 

 

 

I would do it but Price has a no move and no way he will go to Buffalo. 

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3 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

Time will tell but this kid has the hands and we have some better centers right now to pass to him with our more forward thinking coaching I think this kid will fir right in. he has grown into each level he has played at and he seems to have the fire to get it done I am pretty pumped to see him here same as I was for Suzuki we have done some good drafting recently.

Well most likely he will be staying put so if that is the case hopefully he comes in and lights it up for us. 

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21 hours ago, maas_art said:

What if you could do say... Price + Caufield + 1st  for Eichel?

 

 ( i know it wouldnt happen because there's no way Price waives his NMC to go to Barfalo but just for fun)... 

I mean, sure... but not just even Price waiving his NTC... Why would Buffalo want Price?

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Just wondering what the cost to acquire Bellows would be? Is it worth it? If Tatar is let walk we would have a LW hole Bellows would look pretty good there next to one of Zuke, KK or Danault\Poehling\Evans whoever our 3 C is after this season.

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I wonder if it would be beneficial to both Rangers and Habs for us to trade LHD Chiarot (who I don't see us protecting in the entry draft) to NYR for the tempermental but talented Tony / Anthony Deangelo (RHD) who the Rangers aren't going to protect in the entry draft because of his slight against D'Andre Miller. Weber and Petry aren't going to let him get away with any crap in the dressing room. It would provide some punch on our right side, and allow Romanov to shift back to a Left side pairing. Chiarot has a 10 team NTC as the downside. Rangers could use some depth on the LHD. The cap #'s virtually work and Habs throw in a #2 or #3 round draft choice to make it work. 

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32 minutes ago, claremont said:

I wonder if it would be beneficial to both Rangers and Habs for us to trade LHD Chiarot (who I don't see us protecting in the entry draft) to NYR for the tempermental but talented Tony / Anthony Deangelo (RHD) who the Rangers aren't going to protect in the entry draft because of his slight against D'Andre Miller. Weber and Petry aren't going to let him get away with any crap in the dressing room. It would provide some punch on our right side, and allow Romanov to shift back to a Left side pairing. Chiarot has a 10 team NTC as the downside. Rangers could use some depth on the LHD. The cap #'s virtually work and Habs throw in a #2 or #3 round draft choice to make it work. 

NO WAY! We could have traded for him already, just like 29 other teams but chose not to. The guy is too much of a cancer to consider as his influences may rub off on our younger players.

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45 minutes ago, claremont said:

I wonder if it would be beneficial to both Rangers and Habs for us to trade LHD Chiarot (who I don't see us protecting in the entry draft) to NYR for the tempermental but talented Tony / Anthony Deangelo (RHD) who the Rangers aren't going to protect in the entry draft because of his slight against D'Andre Miller. 

NO. He actually had an issue with the goalie but he has a history of being a jerk

 

"They go off the ice, Georgiev is sitting, disappointed -- like any competitive person, especially a goaltender, would be after a game like that -- and DeAngelo walks by him and makes a sarcastic crack to him, and Georgiev clocks him. They go at it, and their teammates break it up. Later that night, the Rangers call DeAngelo [or his agent] and they say, 'That's the last straw. You're going on waivers tomorrow.' And then at noon ET [on Sunday], that's what happens."

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11 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

NO. He actually had an issue with the goalie but he has a history of being a jerk

 

"They go off the ice, Georgiev is sitting, disappointed -- like any competitive person, especially a goaltender, would be after a game like that -- and DeAngelo walks by him and makes a sarcastic crack to him, and Georgiev clocks him. They go at it, and their teammates break it up. Later that night, the Rangers call DeAngelo [or his agent] and they say, 'That's the last straw. You're going on waivers tomorrow.' And then at noon ET [on Sunday], that's what happens."

I had heard he was also demeaning to D'Andre Miller before this. I guess Deangelo will get the Ted Nolan treatment for a while until he becomes contrite and has a major attitude adjustment  - We could not have picked him up on waivers since it means immediately adding him to the roster and we had no cap room. A lot of due diligence required but someone may take the risk. Heck if the great Tiger Woods can be forgiven by his fan base for cheating on his expectant wife, then anything is possible in this age of forgiveness. Perhaps this happens in the off season for much lesser value. Guaranteed Rangers are not protecting him in the Expansion Draft so he will go for bargain basement value, or the Krakken should at least pick him up for trade value. 

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1 hour ago, claremont said:

I had heard he was also demeaning to D'Andre Miller before this. I guess Deangelo will get the Ted Nolan treatment for a while until he becomes contrite and has a major attitude adjustment  - We could not have picked him up on waivers since it means immediately adding him to the roster and we had no cap room. A lot of due diligence required but someone may take the risk. Heck if the great Tiger Woods can be forgiven by his fan base for cheating on his expectant wife, then anything is possible in this age of forgiveness. Perhaps this happens in the off season for much lesser value. Guaranteed Rangers are not protecting him in the Expansion Draft so he will go for bargain basement value, or the Krakken should at least pick him up for trade value. 

What Tiger Woods did had nothing to do with the sport he played or any other golfers. That said a portion of the American public forgave or ignored an individual whom slept with his 2nd wife while still married to his first then cheated on his third while pregnant with a porn star and then got elected President!

 

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1 hour ago, claremont said:

I had heard he was also demeaning to D'Andre Miller before this. I guess Deangelo will get the Ted Nolan treatment for a while until he becomes contrite and has a major attitude adjustment  - We could not have picked him up on waivers since it means immediately adding him to the roster and we had no cap room. A lot of due diligence required but someone may take the risk. Heck if the great Tiger Woods can be forgiven by his fan base for cheating on his expectant wife, then anything is possible in this age of forgiveness. Perhaps this happens in the off season for much lesser value. Guaranteed Rangers are not protecting him in the Expansion Draft so he will go for bargain basement value, or the Krakken should at least pick him up for trade value. 

half the players in the NHL cheat on their wives and gfs... that has nothing to do with how you work within your team. They don't have to be choir boys but they can't disrupt the dressing room 

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I have not found a "legit" source so take this with a grain of salt, but according to a few 'sources' (other boards/sites) MB is working the phones trying to land a puck moving LHD to play with Weber.

The ask seems to include our 1st this year which... honestly, if you're going to do it, this is probably the best possible year to give up a 1st. The draft rankings are ALL over the place with Covid - guys who maybe would go top 10 in a normal year may get overlooked in the 1st round entirely this year. 

 

Im not sure who we would be targeting but i cant think many guys out there would be much worse than Chairot on the top pair right now. 

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2 hours ago, claremont said:

I had heard he was also demeaning to D'Andre Miller before this. I guess Deangelo will get the Ted Nolan treatment for a while until he becomes contrite and has a major attitude adjustment  - We could not have picked him up on waivers since it means immediately adding him to the roster and we had no cap room. A lot of due diligence required but someone may take the risk. Heck if the great Tiger Woods can be forgiven by his fan base for cheating on his expectant wife, then anything is possible in this age of forgiveness. Perhaps this happens in the off season for much lesser value. Guaranteed Rangers are not protecting him in the Expansion Draft so he will go for bargain basement value, or the Krakken should at least pick him up for trade value. 

I dunno man. There's moody and then there's Dangelo. lol.

25 year old defensman who has 106 points in 206 games (including 53 in 68 games last year!) - he was 12th in Norris voting... and NY is ready to walk away from him.  That makes guys like Ribeiro, Avery or Bryzgalov look like model teammates!

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7 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I have not found a "legit" source so take this with a grain of salt, but according to a few 'sources' (other boards/sites) MB is working the phones trying to land a puck moving LHD to play with Weber.

The ask seems to include our 1st this year which... honestly, if you're going to do it, this is probably the best possible year to give up a 1st. The draft rankings are ALL over the place with Covid - guys who maybe would go top 10 in a normal year may get overlooked in the 1st round entirely this year. 

 

Im not sure who we would be targeting but i cant think many guys out there would be much worse than Chairot on the top pair right now. 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/mattias-ekholm-understands-value-trade-piece-predators/

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43 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I have not found a "legit" source so take this with a grain of salt, but according to a few 'sources' (other boards/sites) MB is working the phones trying to land a puck moving LHD to play with Weber.

The ask seems to include our 1st this year which... honestly, if you're going to do it, this is probably the best possible year to give up a 1st. The draft rankings are ALL over the place with Covid - guys who maybe would go top 10 in a normal year may get overlooked in the 1st round entirely this year. 

 

Im not sure who we would be targeting but i cant think many guys out there would be much worse than Chairot on the top pair right now. 

Hearing who is out there and available, though, I worry MB will spend assets on a player who won't actually help much... he'll go after an Ekholm or Hjalmarrson or Goligoski or Edler or Keith or so on, an older player who might have issues with footspeed or keeping up with big minutes or so on. I don't think there are many guys out there who make sense for us. I listed a few in another thread, with Vince Dunn being the guy who fits the best but also considering the likes of Kulikov or Montour, for example. Past that, it might need to be a player no one has really considered. Carolina, for example, has a wealth of D men and I've said this before, but I would love to see MB go after a guy like Jake Bean. Carolina thinks they can win now, so a player like Danault or Tatar could be a good fit for them as a return.

As for the draft rankings, I guess you would see that both ways. On the one hand, you could argue what you did, that a guy who ordinarily might have gone in the 1st could slip to the 2nd. On the other, you could argue you might get a guy later in the 1st who otherwise could have gone in the top 10 if they had played more through the past year. So a mid-to-late 1st rounder could be a stronger pick as much as it could be a weaker one. To boot, it might be that teams' draft boards vary more greatly and on draft day, you might get to pick 20 and have a team willing to trade a ton right then and there because a player they ranked in the top 10 is still sitting there. All that to say, that I'm fine with MB dealing his 1st but not for an older player or rental. It has to be for a player who is under 28 and who's signed to some term. Factoring in the 14-day quarantine, it's not worth giving up a 1st for an expiring contract who plays a handful of games for us.

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7 hours ago, maas_art said:

I have not found a "legit" source so take this with a grain of salt, but according to a few 'sources' (other boards/sites) MB is working the phones trying to land a puck moving LHD to play with Weber.

The ask seems to include our 1st this year which... honestly, if you're going to do it, this is probably the best possible year to give up a 1st. The draft rankings are ALL over the place with Covid - guys who maybe would go top 10 in a normal year may get overlooked in the 1st round entirely this year. 

 

Im not sure who we would be targeting but i cant think many guys out there would be much worse than Chairot on the top pair right now. 

Hopefully it will be for a player good enough that we will have to protect in the entry draft.  If Chiarot broke his hand, the urgency may be sooner because of the 14 day quaratine.

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12 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Hearing who is out there and available, though, I worry MB will spend assets on a player who won't actually help much... he'll go after an Ekholm or Hjalmarrson or Goligoski or Edler or Keith or so on, an older player who might have issues with footspeed or keeping up with big minutes or so on. I don't think there are many guys out there who make sense for us. I listed a few in another thread, with Vince Dunn being the guy who fits the best but also considering the likes of Kulikov or Montour, for example. Past that, it might need to be a player no one has really considered. Carolina, for example, has a wealth of D men and I've said this before, but I would love to see MB go after a guy like Jake Bean. Carolina thinks they can win now, so a player like Danault or Tatar could be a good fit for them as a return.

As for the draft rankings, I guess you would see that both ways. On the one hand, you could argue what you did, that a guy who ordinarily might have gone in the 1st could slip to the 2nd. On the other, you could argue you might get a guy later in the 1st who otherwise could have gone in the top 10 if they had played more through the past year. So a mid-to-late 1st rounder could be a stronger pick as much as it could be a weaker one. To boot, it might be that teams' draft boards vary more greatly and on draft day, you might get to pick 20 and have a team willing to trade a ton right then and there because a player they ranked in the top 10 is still sitting there. All that to say, that I'm fine with MB dealing his 1st but not for an older player or rental. It has to be for a player who is under 28 and who's signed to some term. Factoring in the 14-day quarantine, it's not worth giving up a 1st for an expiring contract who plays a handful of games for us.

I don't have that sense of urgency at this time. Makes sense for us to stay the course and potentially be sellers for this year and I really like the Jake Bean angle. MB is in an awkward messaging spot for our playoff chances. If he makes no move, does he send a message to the team/coaches that he believes in them, or the message that he feels they have peaked and anything he does is not going to push them over the top further?  Alternatively, if we are sellers, is he sending the message that we are simply on a mini-rebuild treadmill and simply making the playoffs was an acceptable outcome?

Carolina has an interesting dilemma with a plethora of defensemen and they may just hold back Jake Bean so that he does not have the qualifying games for the expansion draft, much like I think we are doing with Cale Fleury. Carolina is quite strong on the LWing side - so a depth centre piece like Danault makes more sense to me vs. Tatar but it exposes us down the middle as it would not appear we have much centre depth to backfill Phil for the playoff round, although I like Evans recent ascension. 

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