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4 minutes ago, caperns61 said:

I agree this thing is far from over. 7 games left.

Vancouver came back full of p**& and vinegar after the covid outbreak, playing on emotion. They look gassed now, having played 7 games in 14 days. Add another 12 over the next 19 days, I could see Calgary easily winning all 4 to close out there season. So if  they win 2 of there next 3 they end up with 59 points, and i think would win the tie breaker if we get 59 points. They have Edmonton tonight who they just recently beat. They have a battered Winnipeg team on Wed and then Ottawa. 

I think we need to win 4 out of the next 7 to be sure. 

I agree but I wanted to add a comment. The last 4 games between Calgary and Vancouver are TBD. Meaning that they will only be played IF either the Flames or Canucks are not mathematically eliminated. If we can eliminate Calgary early. This would require us getting 2 points in the next 3 games while the Flames would have to lose the next 2 games. In that scenario we would win any tie breaker except #5 listed on NHL.com (points earned in season series) currently we win all but 4 and 5 (4 being ROW's we are tied at 21) and Vancouver doesn't make ground quickly then those 4 games will not be played.

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26 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

The Flames will be the fresh team in all of their remaining games. They pretty much get 4 days between matches until the end,,, when they get a B2B vs an exhausted Vancouver team. We definitely need to win at least 2 to 3 more,,, possibly 4

Even with their time between games, they face the Oilers and Jets in their next 2 games if they lose them and we win 1 out of our next 3 we eliminate them as described above. The onus is on them to beat 2 really tough teams. They are 4-5-0 vs the Oilers who will be wanting to win the season series tonight  and 3-5-0 vs the Jets so far this year, who will be looking to eliminate the Flames from the playoffs Wednesday if the Flames lose tonight. Therefore those 2 games are going to be hard fought games for the Flames and I don't see them coming out the other side 2-0

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4 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Poehling & Belzile called up to the taxi squad. Hope to see Poehling get a shot soon.

Yes I've been waiting for Poehling to get another shot, another big body that goes to the net. Hope it's soon and hope he does well.

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1 hour ago, electron58 said:

Poehling & Belzile called up to the taxi squad. Hope to see Poehling get a shot soon.

I think the reason for them being brought up to the taxi  squad is two-fold 1. We had less than 4 players on the squad and 2. With the AHL canceling the playoffs and the Rocket off for an extended period and also being so far ahead in the standings, the games are meaningless. May as well get our most likely callups if injuries occur acquainted with the team early to start building chemistry.

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6 hours ago, campabee82 said:

I agree but I wanted to add a comment. The last 4 games between Calgary and Vancouver are TBD. Meaning that they will only be played IF either the Flames or Canucks are not mathematically eliminated. If we can eliminate Calgary early. This would require us getting 2 points in the next 3 games while the Flames would have to lose the next 2 games. In that scenario we would win any tie breaker except #5 listed on NHL.com (points earned in season series) currently we win all but 4 and 5 (4 being ROW's we are tied at 21) and Vancouver doesn't make ground quickly then those 4 games will not be played.

I know what you are trying to say, but under your scenario Calgary would still have a chance to win. 

Assuming we get 2 points out of our next 3 games, we would have 55 points.

If Calgary loses the next two games they still have 47 points, they could still win the last five games and end up with 57 points. TBD is only if they have no possibilty getting in

Keep in mind you seem to be looking at tiebreakers based on numbers now,  they would change if the full schedule has to be played out and we end up tied with Calgary, Because Calgary would have had to have more wins in the last seven

Here is an example.

Calgary goes 6 for 7 they end up with 59 points, and they win all 6 games in regulation

We go 3 for 7 and end up with 59 points, we win all 3 games in regulation

We would have 25 wins, Calgary would have 28 wins.

We would have 23 wins excluding OT, Calgary would have 25 wins excluding OT or shootout

So what I am saying if the season has to play out and we end up in a tie its likely Calgary will win the tiebreakers not us. Because they will have more wins down the stretch

I still would prefer to be where we are because we control our own destiny.  

But having said that I am not sure this is done yet. If Calgary wins tonight and we lose to Ottawa. Its going to be tough sledding. 

I think Calgary toughest challenge in their last 7 is tonight against Edmonton. Winnipeg is a battered team right now, Elhers, Lowry and Wheeler, Beulieu.. And then they have Ottawa, 

That is why i think we need 4 out of 7 :). Hopefully Mcdavid and Draistal come a guns a blasing tonight. 

And CC finds the back of the net, for his first hatrick with the Habs. :5141:

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

Poehling seems to have taken a good step this year with Bouchard, he could be a good addition for us.

Can Poehling play tonight? I would love to have him in the lineup and Stall in the Taxi squad. 

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30 minutes ago, claremont said:

If Poehling were to play does that burn out our last call up or is that an emergency provision?

They already used their last call-up on Romanov.

Only way another guy could get in would be if there were more injuries. Ducharme said Armia was expected to go but that if there was a surprise in warm-up, it would be Belzile who would have gotten the call to replace him at wing, not Poehling. Theoretically they could send Evans or CC back down and recall whoever else they wanted on an emergency basis though...

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3 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Poehling & Belzile sent back to Laval. We must have guys ready to come back.

Perhaps a function of Laval going to play its first game in almost 2 weeks against the Marlies Covid cases on Tuesday - they have no AHL playoffs this year. Might as well finish the AHL season on a strong note as they are easily winning the division. The way Evans is skating lately, and the reluctance to admit that it was a mistake to bringing in Staal, I don't see any room for Poehling or Belzile this year in emergency call-ups. Poehling will be given a good shot at a roster spot next year in camp. I have seen this in my business career many times - the zeal to make your team better and find the silver bullet, makes managers recruit from the outside, and overlook the in house talent if given the opportunities. Bergevin is guilty of this many times over. 

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Chances are that Carolina risks losing Jake Bean (#13th overall - 2016) or St. Louis risks losing Vince Dunn (#56 - 2015) both young LD puck movers with size, for nothing in the Expansion Draft. We would have to give them draft picks or prospects so that they don't have to protect the exchanged players. STL or CAR may be able to induce Seattle to take someone else thru picks etc., but I am curious what this group would give up. We would of course have to protect Bean or Dunn at the expense of a Chiarot or Edmundson.

I believe giving them a #2 draft pick and Jordan Harris or Josh Brook might be enough? 

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:State of the Habs" is beginning to look more acceptable.  The last three games have been enjoyable to watch, and the youngsters are starting to give us hope. Player deployment seems better, albeit, probably,  because of all the injuries. Let's hope, that DD learns from this.  😐

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Regarding our "older" players. I really like Perry on this team. He's not fast, but he's got tons of skill, battles, and plays really well in front on the net. He's also very useful on the PP. Staal, however, I don't see the point. He's bringing very little. A player like Evans is showing so much more.

It's also incredibly telling that we aren't missing Price or Weber AT ALL. The two highest paid players on the team and we've actually looked better since they've both been out. Really goes to show how they might actually be holding us back to some degree.

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55 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Regarding our "older" players. I really like Perry on this team. He's not fast, but he's got tons of skill, battles, and plays really well in front on the net. He's also very useful on the PP. Staal, however, I don't see the point. He's bringing very little. A player like Evans is showing so much more.

It's also incredibly telling that we aren't missing Price or Weber AT ALL. The two highest paid players on the team and we've actually looked better since they've both been out. Really goes to show how they might actually be holding us back to some degree.

I hope Bergevin learns from that and doesn't tie himself to veterans in the future - not to mention Merrill and Gustafson haven't added much with their so called "experience". While you need some veterans like Perry, Petry and others for support, an excess is not what we need. Romanov and KK both made some mistakes last night but as fans we can live with that in the short term, as long as they don't turn into Galchenyuks. 

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52 minutes ago, claremont said:

Romanov and KK both made some mistakes last night but as fans we can live with that in the short term, as long as they don't turn into Galchenyuks. 

Some mistakes? Romanov was brutal last night! He gave up two 2 on 1 breaks and thank god for Allen who once again stood on his head. His head was not in the game last night and I know he is a rookie but lately he has been making a lot of really bad mental errors. He has to clean this up before we hit the playoffs or he could be detrimental to positive results. KK made a few mistakes as well but I thought he played a strong game overall. To date I am still not a big believer in KK. His play is not consistant and there are games where he is lost. I am tired of hearing he is still young! My grandmother was young once also!:blush:

Caufield is creating a lot of good scoring opportunities and really nice to see him have this early success. He is small and hopefully the breaks will continue to come for him. He just won two games in a row for us and he does not look out of place in the lineup. Good for him and continued success!:6280:

 

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2 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Regarding our "older" players. I really like Perry on this team. He's not fast, but he's got tons of skill, battles, and plays really well in front on the net. He's also very useful on the PP. Staal, however, I don't see the point. He's bringing very little. A player like Evans is showing so much more.

It's also incredibly telling that we aren't missing Price or Weber AT ALL. The two highest paid players on the team and we've actually looked better since they've both been out. Really goes to show how they might actually be holding us back to some degree.

I agree. if Perry is willing to take a 1 year deal, id resign him. He seems very well liked in the room & I think the young guys can learn a lot from him. He's just an incredibly smart/shifty player. Maybe the best hands we've had since Kovalev. 

 

22 minutes ago, richard464 said:

Some mistakes? Romanov was brutal last night! He gave up two 2 on 1 breaks and thank god for Allen who once again stood on his head. His head was not in the game last night and I know he is a rookie but lately he has been making a lot of really bad mental errors.

I think the problem is that he's playing way over where he should be.  He's still a #4-6 dman at this point but we're playing him not only on the top pair but with Chiarot who is also not a top pair guy.  I think the mistakes are forced right now because Romanov is not used to playing this far up the lineup. Once he's moved back a little he'll be fine again im sure. 

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22 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Regarding our "older" players. I really like Perry on this team. He's not fast, but he's got tons of skill, battles, and plays really well in front on the net. He's also very useful on the PP. Staal, however, I don't see the point. He's bringing very little. A player like Evans is showing so much more.

It's also incredibly telling that we aren't missing Price or Weber AT ALL. The two highest paid players on the team and we've actually looked better since they've both been out. Really goes to show how they might actually be holding us back to some degree.

Agreed on Perry. I think he's a PP specialist for the most part but he can have a role in the line-up as long as he's well-insulated by faster players on the 4th line and his ES minutes are limited.

With Weber, I think it's clear we can survive without him. He brings the booming shot, but it just hasn't been effective. The PP seems to work better without him because we're using guys with better mobility and distributing the puck better. So his lack of skating and passing ability outweighs his ability to shoot. We could be a useful depth defenceman but then why bother spending close to 8M when you can get a depth defenceman for 3M?

In Price's case, it's a tad different. He's played poorly for stretches but he's also had stretches of being very strong. Allen has been excellent this year but is he a guy who can play 60 games for you in a season? Not sure. If you dump Price long-term (which I'm in favor of BTW), then I think it's because you feel Allen AND Primeau are able to handle a tandem situation. Each guy has to be able to give you at least 30 games a year in a full season. I think the odds are also higher that Price steals you a round or two in the playoffs than Allen or Primeau doing it right now, but for the money you're spending, it makes more sense to have Allen-Primeau and go out and get an 8M #1 LHD than to pay the oft-injured Price. I said it two years ago and I'll say it again this year with Werenski back up for free agency, but he's really the guy they should try to target to fill out this roster.

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22 hours ago, maas_art said:

I agree. if Perry is willing to take a 1 year deal, id resign him. He seems very well liked in the room & I think the young guys can learn a lot from him. He's just an incredibly smart/shifty player. Maybe the best hands we've had since Kovalev. 

 

I think the problem is that he's playing way over where he should be.  He's still a #4-6 dman at this point but we're playing him not only on the top pair but with Chiarot who is also not a top pair guy.  I think the mistakes are forced right now because Romanov is not used to playing this far up the lineup. Once he's moved back a little he'll be fine again im sure. 

I agree! Not sure why DD has such confidence in him. He will be a very good D man but defending against the tops lines amplifies his errors and that could be costly moving forward.

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9 hours ago, richard464 said:

I agree! Not sure why DD has such confidence in him. He will be a very good D man but defending against the tops lines amplifies his errors and that could be costly moving forward.

You know, a lot of people on here were clamoring for Romanov to get a shot on the top pairing.  I don't think it's a bad thing. It's not like he will stay there.  & they won the last 3 games, so, why not?

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15 minutes ago, electron58 said:

You know, a lot of people on here were clamoring for Romanov to get a shot on the top pairing.  I don't think it's a bad thing. It's not like he will stay there.  & they won the last 3 games, so, why not?

Yes and no - i think a lot of people were wanting to try Romanov next to Weber... but most of us want Weber on the second pair.

Romanov on the first pair isnt ideal but next to Chiarot (who shouldnt be in the top 4) is even scarier.  So far they've been bailed out so thats good but I worry especially against a good team. 

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Watching last nights game and our D is just a gong show!!!  Not sure why we even traded for Merril he is by far the worst on the entire squad.  Would have been more productive to promote a younger player and atleast add some speed to the D.  Better yet we could have kept Mete who is a far cry from being a good D man but certainly better than Merril. 

 

And we need to get Staal out of the line up entirely, age has certainly caught up and passed him by.  Opposing players are just skating around him like a pylon and he isn't fast enough to pose any offensive threat.  I would much rather have seen Poehling in his spot

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