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23 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

From Stu Cowan:

"The forward lines head coach Dominique Ducharme set up gave an indication of what the lineup will look like when the series begins next Thursday night in Toronto (7:30 p.m., CBC SN, TVA Sports, TSN 690 Radio, 98.5 FM). Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Cole Caufield and Michael Frolik were wearing grey jerseys and were on the fifth line, indicating they will be healthy scratches. All the other forwards were wearing red or white jerseys."

 

Here’s how the forward lines looked at practice:

Tatar – Danault – Gallagher
Toffoli – Suzuki – Armia
Perry – Staal – Anderson
Lehkonen – Evans – Byron
Frolik – Kotkaniemi – Caufield

 

Phillip Danault (concussion), Brendan Gallagher (fractured thumb) and goalie Carey Price (concussion) all looked to be fully recovered from their injuries while taking part in the practice.

Captain Shea Weber (upper body) skated alone with a member of the Canadiens’ training staff on Saturday morning and didn’t take part in the team practice.

Here’s how the defence pairings looked without Weber

Edmundson – Petry
Kulak – Chiarot
Ouellet – Romanov
Merrill – Gustafsson

omg how can you scratch Caufield and KK and keep Staal? 

Anyway, I didn't have much hope for this series to begin with

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Toronto vs. Montreal

Toronto vs. Montreal

Elliotte Friedman: Leafs in 6
Chris Johnston: Leafs in 6
Caroline Cameron: Leafs in 5
Jeff Marek: Leafs in 5
Jennifer Botterill: Leafs in 5
Eric Francis: Leafs in 5
Wayne Scanlan: Leafs in 5
Colby Armstrong: Leafs in 6
Mike Futa: Leafs in 5
Nick Alberga: Leafs in 6
Sarah Nurse: Leafs in 5
Gord Stellick: Leafs in 5
Ryan Dixon: Leafs in 6
Gene Principe: Leafs in 6
Luke Fox: Leafs in 5
Eric Engels: Leafs in 7
Mark Spector: Leafs in 6
Justin Bourne: Leafs in 5
Christine Simpson: Leafs in 5
Ken Wiebe: Leafs in 6
David Amber: Leafs in 6
Dan Murphy: Leafs in 5
Kyle Bukauskas: Leafs in 6

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13 hours ago, habsisme said:

didn't see that. I only see the time for the first 2, is it game 3 maybe? Maybe they're trying to mitigate the back to back by making the first game early?

after the first two  games the start times are 1:00 pm for the rest of series according to glub 1909 callender

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1 hour ago, campabee82 said:

Changing my prediction after seeing that the plan for game one was Frolik, Caufield and Kotkaniemi are the healthy scratches. Leafs in 4! 

Me too. I  hope the Habs get trounced! 

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12 minutes ago, BornToBeAHab said:

after the first two  games the start times are 1:00 pm for the rest of series according to glub 1909 callender

it says 1:00 pm now but the speciffic times for those games haven't been determined yet .

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1 hour ago, kinot-2 said:

Toronto vs. Montreal

Toronto vs. Montreal

Elliotte Friedman: Leafs in 6
Chris Johnston: Leafs in 6
Caroline Cameron: Leafs in 5
Jeff Marek: Leafs in 5
Jennifer Botterill: Leafs in 5
Eric Francis: Leafs in 5
Wayne Scanlan: Leafs in 5
Colby Armstrong: Leafs in 6
Mike Futa: Leafs in 5
Nick Alberga: Leafs in 6
Sarah Nurse: Leafs in 5
Gord Stellick: Leafs in 5
Ryan Dixon: Leafs in 6
Gene Principe: Leafs in 6
Luke Fox: Leafs in 5
Eric Engels: Leafs in 7
Mark Spector: Leafs in 6
Justin Bourne: Leafs in 5
Christine Simpson: Leafs in 5
Ken Wiebe: Leafs in 6
David Amber: Leafs in 6
Dan Murphy: Leafs in 5
Kyle Bukauskas: Leafs in 6

Don't forget Craig Button ...he said Leafs in 4 ....

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1 hour ago, habsisme said:

omg how can you scratch Caufield and KK and keep Staal? 

Anyway, I didn't have much hope for this series to begin with

The lineup is disappointing but if the approach is to hit them, be a little nasty, and slow the game down via Staal then I somewhat get it. Based on the way KK played in last year's Pittsburgh and Philly rounds, he has to be an upgrade over Staal but it's only the first game perhaps to challenge Staal and motivate KK. Unless this line up plays well the first one or two games, I can't see KK or Cole being held out of the lineup. From a hitting and nastiness perspective, a healthy Weber is essential. 

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1 hour ago, kinot-2 said:

Toronto vs. Montreal

Toronto vs. Montreal

Elliotte Friedman: Leafs in 6
Chris Johnston: Leafs in 6
Caroline Cameron: Leafs in 5
Jeff Marek: Leafs in 5
Jennifer Botterill: Leafs in 5
Eric Francis: Leafs in 5
Wayne Scanlan: Leafs in 5
Colby Armstrong: Leafs in 6
Mike Futa: Leafs in 5
Nick Alberga: Leafs in 6
Sarah Nurse: Leafs in 5
Gord Stellick: Leafs in 5
Ryan Dixon: Leafs in 6
Gene Principe: Leafs in 6
Luke Fox: Leafs in 5
Eric Engels: Leafs in 7
Mark Spector: Leafs in 6
Justin Bourne: Leafs in 5
Christine Simpson: Leafs in 5
Ken Wiebe: Leafs in 6
David Amber: Leafs in 6
Dan Murphy: Leafs in 5
Kyle Bukauskas: Leafs in 6

Yeah pretty predictable from Toronto Sports Network. That why I subscribe to the ASN, the Alternate Sports Network. The following are predictions from their very learned team of hockey experts.

Bart Simpsons - Habs in 5

Ralph Kramden - Habs in 6

Thomas Magnum - Habs in 5

Georges St. Pierre - Les Glorieux en 7

Gally's Mom - Habs in 5, and Brendan, please don't get hurt

Monica from Friends - Habs in 7

Harry Potter - Habs in 9 and 3/4

Stormy Daniels - No number of games, but she did say the Habs would blow them out of the water

Youppi - Habs in 4

Kamala Harris - Habs in 6

Daenerys Targaryen - Habs in 6

Mr. Spock - Habs in 5

Meghan Markle - Habs in 5

And finally, The Pope - Peace in our time and Habs in 4

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3 minutes ago, claremont said:

The lineup is disappointing but if the approach is to hit them, be a little nasty, and slow the game down via Staal then I somewhat get it.

    I'm thinking a one game trial for Staal for now because he doesn't hit and isn't nasty ..Toronto's 4th line seems to be Thornton Spezza and Simmonds so maybe line -matching in the size dept .going on 

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7 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

Huh..?

I'm free for the first time in a year and a half. Been paying off being anti social to this horrible disease. I really don't feel free to those who have lost loved ones. Not sure why we played the season. I'm saying I hope someone wins. Much better than seeing thousands getting sick and the thing getting called off. Not sure who is who. If Toronto wins it might mean that this pandemic is over. I really don't know.

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The lines at practice today were disappointing but not in the least surprising. I said this in my prediction: Leafs in 6 not because they're as good as people say they are but because I have no faith the Habs will deploy players successfully. Everything pointed to DD using Staal/Perry/Byron/Merrill/Chiarot/Edmundson over Kotkaniemi/Caufield/Kulak/Romanov. DD has said he may still play with the lines, but Staal said today that he was told he would be playing Game 1 on a line with Anderson and Perry, so it doesn't sound like there will be much tinkering. The only change I might expect would be if Weber was ready and it led to swapping around the D corps.

I suspect we'll see the Habs use this forward line-up from today for Game 1 and stick with it in Game 2 unless we get significantly outplayed. I think we'll see JK and/or Caufield later in the series only if the Habs are down 2-0, 3-0, or 3-1 (or unless there are injuries). I think it'll be a hail mary call to ask them to come and save the rest of the roster. I also suspect we'll see Petry, Edmundson, Chiarot, and Weber if he plays on the ice for 22-23+ minutes each and very little of the third pairing and I suspect we'll see each of those veterans worn down and looking worse as the post-season continues.

Again, as I said, I think the Habs can split the first two games. They've been a good road team and they'll have gotten some rest for their injured players and veterans. But I just can't see how they'll hold up an entire series or make a post-season run with the antiquated decision-making.

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2 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

Toronto vs. Montreal

Toronto vs. Montreal

Elliotte Friedman: Leafs in 6
Chris Johnston: Leafs in 6
Caroline Cameron: Leafs in 5
Jeff Marek: Leafs in 5
Jennifer Botterill: Leafs in 5
Eric Francis: Leafs in 5
Wayne Scanlan: Leafs in 5
Colby Armstrong: Leafs in 6
Mike Futa: Leafs in 5
Nick Alberga: Leafs in 6
Sarah Nurse: Leafs in 5
Gord Stellick: Leafs in 5
Ryan Dixon: Leafs in 6
Gene Principe: Leafs in 6
Luke Fox: Leafs in 5
Eric Engels: Leafs in 7
Mark Spector: Leafs in 6
Justin Bourne: Leafs in 5
Christine Simpson: Leafs in 5
Ken Wiebe: Leafs in 6
David Amber: Leafs in 6
Dan Murphy: Leafs in 5
Kyle Bukauskas: Leafs in 6

I dont see how we could win this one but if we did it be one for the ages

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4 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The lines at practice today were disappointing but not in the least surprising. I said this in my prediction: Leafs in 6 not because they're as good as people say they are but because I have no faith the Habs will deploy players successfully. Everything pointed to DD using Staal/Perry/Byron/Merrill/Chiarot/Edmundson over Kotkaniemi/Caufield/Kulak/Romanov. DD has said he may still play with the lines, but Staal said today that he was told he would be playing Game 1 on a line with Anderson and Perry, so it doesn't sound like there will be much tinkering. The only change I might expect would be if Weber was ready and it led to swapping around the D corps.

I suspect we'll see the Habs use this forward line-up from today for Game 1 and stick with it in Game 2 unless we get significantly outplayed. I think we'll see JK and/or Caufield later in the series only if the Habs are down 2-0, 3-0, or 3-1 (or unless there are injuries). I think it'll be a hail mary call to ask them to come and save the rest of the roster. I also suspect we'll see Petry, Edmundson, Chiarot, and Weber if he plays on the ice for 22-23+ minutes each and very little of the third pairing and I suspect we'll see each of those veterans worn down and looking worse as the post-season continues.

Again, as I said, I think the Habs can split the first two games. They've been a good road team and they'll have gotten some rest for their injured players and veterans. But I just can't see how they'll hold up an entire series or make a post-season run with the antiquated decision-making.

And that may translate to good things - Molson not extending Bergevin with him having 1 year to go or perhaps even better, trying to quickly find a replacement GM in time for the expansion draft and regular prospects draft. The secondary point is Ducharme is accountable for the game plan and lines. If they don't work, he bears joint responsibility and it's time to move on from veterans. 

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11 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The lines at practice today were disappointing but not in the least surprising. I said this in my prediction: Leafs in 6 not because they're as good as people say they are but because I have no faith the Habs will deploy players successfully. Everything pointed to DD using Staal/Perry/Byron/Merrill/Chiarot/Edmundson over Kotkaniemi/Caufield/Kulak/Romanov. DD has said he may still play with the lines, but Staal said today that he was told he would be playing Game 1 on a line with Anderson and Perry, so it doesn't sound like there will be much tinkering. The only change I might expect would be if Weber was ready and it led to swapping around the D corps.

I suspect we'll see the Habs use this forward line-up from today for Game 1 and stick with it in Game 2 unless we get significantly outplayed. I think we'll see JK and/or Caufield later in the series only if the Habs are down 2-0, 3-0, or 3-1 (or unless there are injuries). I think it'll be a hail mary call to ask them to come and save the rest of the roster. I also suspect we'll see Petry, Edmundson, Chiarot, and Weber if he plays on the ice for 22-23+ minutes each and very little of the third pairing and I suspect we'll see each of those veterans worn down and looking worse as the post-season continues.

Again, as I said, I think the Habs can split the first two games. They've been a good road team and they'll have gotten some rest for their injured players and veterans. But I just can't see how they'll hold up an entire series or make a post-season run with the antiquated decision-making.

I really wanted to believe you were wrong and that they would go with the young guys. I have no real reason to believe that. It was just blind hope I guess. But now, after seeing these lines, I'm very disappointed. I think that with the right coaching we actually do have the potential for an upset. 

This management just continually makes it challenging to be a Habs fan anymore. 

If we are going to lose, I would much rather lose with our youth than lose with rag tag veterans.

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25 minutes ago, claremont said:

And that may translate to good things - Molson not extending Bergevin with him having 1 year to go or perhaps even better, trying to quickly find a replacement GM in time for the expansion draft and regular prospects draft. The secondary point is Ducharme is accountable for the game plan and lines. If they don't work, he bears joint responsibility and it's time to move on from veterans. 

But we've been doing this forever. When can you remember the Habs ever having gone with youth/skill over veterans? MB brought in Merrill, Staal, and Gustafsson because he thought they would help. He's done it before with Ott/Martinsen/King/Nesterov and with Murray/Bouillon, despite having younger players like Galchenyuk, Eller, Diaz, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn, Andrighetto, etc. who could have been given a chance to see what they had. Maybe the flop. Maybe they don't. But you almost certainly know that the Murray's and King's and Staal's will flop and yet you use them anyways.

At Ducharme's media availability today, he was specifically asked why the team wouldn't use Caufield when they've struggled to score and Ducharme replied that the most important thing the team needed was experience. What utter BS. How do you get experience if you won't give it to anyone? Then down the line, you come up with how these young guys never really developed as you thought they would after showing no confidence in them and refusing to help them out. Also ironic, given that Ducharme has zero coaching experience himself. If he's going to claim coaching experience at a junior or international level, then Caufield could easily claim the same thing. Caufield was the best player in US College hockey this year. He wowed in a short stint with Laval and he's done really well in his time with the Habs. Hard to say he hasn't done everything that's been asked of him to earn a spot.

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I'm sure we'll beat the Leafs easily with all that experience we have up and down the lineup. Who needs speed or skill if you can simply out-experience the other team? It's brilliant really.

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It appears most fans like JK and CC's skills and speed over Byron or Staal's. Well, based on JK's play over the past 4 or 5 games and the fact that Staal actually outplayed him the last game they were in the line-up together I can't get too upset with DD wanting to keep his job by icing a team he thinks may give us a chance to win a series this year. I am not among the group that are happy with losing as long as we play the kids. The kids may......may help us win a series next year and maybe eventually even this year but when I look at what is available to DD I can't blame him for trying to win rather than using the play-offs as another development camp. I am very disappointed in JK's play but I don't blame it on his line mates nor coaching, he just has to play better than Staal or Evans to earn ice time, it really is that simple.

CC or Byron appears to be the other conundrum, CC a PP specialist and offensive threat or Byron for the PK, the fit with Leks & Evans and his superior defensive play ....a tough choice but DD's job is on the line not my seat on the couch so I'll defer to his choices at the forward positions for the first game after he has a week of looking at things in practices  and see how it plays out before I jump all over him. Maybe CC will show him that he can make one of our lines better while being remaining responsible in the D zone.

On defence if Weber says he is ready you have to play him and sit Merrill, Gust, and Ouellet. If Weber can't go I don't envy DD's dilemma of choosing one of those three to replace him. Romanov is not playing well and his inexperience is often on full display but this is one time I would play a kid simply because the other 3 options aren't playing any better and Romanov might be a better fit with Weber. I do hope that in this week of practices someone will step up and make DD's choices a little easier.

Sekac, Andreghetto, Diaz, Beaulieu,Tinodri, Pateryn, Galchenyuk  were all found to be marginal NHL, KHL or Swiss league players, I wish them well but don't miss them and believe they had a fair opportunity in Montreal.  I do wish we had Eller to dress instead of Staal but hopefully JK can find some of what he showed in last year's play in series and earn his way into the line-up full time

I don't think we will beat the Leafs because of experience but we can beat them and they can certainly beat us because their young guys are better than our young guys are right now and that is not sarcasm.

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15 minutes ago, RCAF48 said:

It appears most fans like JK and CC's skills and speed over Byron or Staal's. Well, based on JK's play over the past 4 or 5 games and the fact that Staal actually outplayed him the last game they were in the line-up together I can't get too upset with DD wanting to keep his job by icing a team he thinks may give us a chance to win a series this year. I am not among the group that are happy with losing as long as we play the kids. The kids may......may help us win a series next year and maybe eventually even this year but when I look at what is available to DD I can't blame him for trying to win rather than using the play-offs as another development camp. I am very disappointed in JK's play but I don't blame it on his line mates nor coaching, he just has to play better than Staal or Evans to earn ice time, it really is that simple.

CC or Byron appears to be the other conundrum, CC a PP specialist and offensive threat or Byron for the PK, the fit with Leks & Evans and his superior defensive play ....a tough choice but DD's job is on the line not my seat on the couch so I'll defer to his choices at the forward positions for the first game after he has a week of looking at things in practices  and see how it plays out before I jump all over him. Maybe CC will show him that he can make one of our lines better while being remaining responsible in the D zone.

On defence if Weber says he is ready you have to play him and sit Merrill, Gust, and Ouellet. If Weber can't go I don't envy DD's dilemma of choosing one of those three to replace him. Romanov is not playing well and his inexperience is often on full display but this is one time I would play a kid simply because the other 3 options aren't playing any better and Romanov might be a better fit with Weber. I do hope that in this week of practices someone will step up and make DD's choices a little easier.

Sekac, Andreghetto, Diaz, Beaulieu,Tinodri, Pateryn, Galchenyuk  were all found to be marginal NHL, KHL or Swiss league players, I wish them well but don't miss them and believe they had a fair opportunity in Montreal.  I do wish we had Eller to dress instead of Staal but hopefully JK can find some of what he showed in last year's play in series and earn his way into the line-up full time

I don't think we will beat the Leafs because of experience but we can beat them and they can certainly beat us because their young guys are better than our young guys are right now and that is not sarcasm.

So let me get this straight, you would rather have a coach develop a strategy that focuses on him not losing his job over who gives us the best chance to win the series? JK has out played Staal don't believe me? Take a look at the advanced stats. JK held McDavid and Draisaitl to 0 scoring chances to his 9 in the second last game vs the Oilers. JK continually hovers around 50-60% CF Staal around 30-40% JK leads Staal in almost every trackable category, he has more speed, more skill and more hockey IQ than Staal. Staal has been the worst player Montreal has iced all season according to stats and advanced stats. JK also out plays Staal physically and is better defensively. Even going back to last season JK was one of the best Habs forwards and was a key in Montreal containing both Crosby and Malkin but I guess that experience counts for nothing right! JK is the better option IF you want a shot at winning the series same as CC is the better option IF you want to create scoring chances. It does not have to be CC or PB, We could sit Perry or Armia as well. IF we stand any chance at winning this series we NEED to take Game 1 cause IF the Leafs get any momentum out of the gate they will cruise to a series victory. The Leafs have everything riding on this year's playoffs and any early confidence we give them will be HUGE for them.

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Stall over JK, just blows my mind, not that he has JK has played that well, but he certainly gives us a much better option down the middle than OLD man Staal.

I get the CC, although I would prefer him in lineup. having only played a handful of NHL games. We have a lot of wingers up and down the lineup, that right now play a more rounded game. I have to assume DD sees our only chance of winning is defending at all cost. Quite frankly that may well be the worst strategy we could come up with.

We should be going with the same lineup we started the season with. Drouin out CC in.

Josh Anderson, Suzuki, CC

Tatar, Danualt, Gallagher

Tofu, JK and Armia

Byron, Evans and Leks.

I like what Perry has done this season, but we need to have pace from all 4 lines if you want to win this series, we need to have constant pressure. Experience means nothing if you cannot get out of your walker, here's looking at you Staal.  

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I like having Byron Evans and Lehkonen together as they bring a lot of energy and have done well the last few weeks. SoI don't see it as a Byron for CC. If Kotkoniemi was going to play he may have started on the wing. It has been hard to evaluate some of the play due to the scheduling. Are they fatigued or just playing poorly? The man I am most concerned about after Staal is Tatar.  If Tatar continues to sturggle defensively I would move Toffol up to the 1st line  (this is tough because he and Suzuki have been good together) and put Perry on the second line with Caufield taking the 3rd line wing. It is very likely Staal may only play every other game as we play 4 game in 6 nights. 

Defensively Oullet doesn't bother me as Merrill and Gustafsson can look overmatched. Kulak has looked solid and Petry and Edmundsen will need to eat some big minutes if Weber cannot go.

We need to make this a very physical series for their defense and Price needs to show up ready to play. If that happens I think we can take advantage of their team play. I am not sure about Campbell either as he has no playoff experience. We shall soon see what experience means in the playoffs. If the Leafs need to fall back on Andersen that may be a problem.

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5 hours ago, Egee 53 said:

Yeah pretty predictable from Toronto Sports Network. That why I subscribe to the ASN, the Alternate Sports Network. The following are predictions from their very learned team of hockey experts.

Bart Simpsons - Habs in 5

Ralph Kramden - Habs in 6

Thomas Magnum - Habs in 5

Georges St. Pierre - Les Glorieux en 7

Gally's Mom - Habs in 5, and Brendan, please don't get hurt

Monica from Friends - Habs in 7

Harry Potter - Habs in 9 and 3/4

Stormy Daniels - No number of games, but she did say the Habs would blow them out of the water

Youppi - Habs in 4

Kamala Harris - Habs in 6

Daenerys Targaryen - Habs in 6

Mr. Spock - Habs in 5

Meghan Markle - Habs in 5

And finally, The Pope - Peace in our time and Habs in 4

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I can understand wanting to stick with Byron-Evans-Lehkonen to start the series. That line has played well and had chemistry both at the start of the season and the end of it. I get that the combination of those parts is better than each individual. That said, Caufield was also electric playing with Evans and Lehkonen. And if you don't want to put him there, he was great with Suzuki too. Better than Armia being there. And he's a better player than Perry, even though Perry has given us an element of something we don't otherwise have. I just don't believe they couldn't find a spot for Caufield. And he's easily better than half the forwards we decided to keep in over him.

As for Kotkaniemi, I get that he played badly the second half of the year. He started off the year great before they split up his line and at one point near the middle of the season, he was our best player for a couple of weeks. Things went downhill when they started playing him with defensive wingers then made him a winger. It wrecked his confidence. As Michel Bergeron said, the team is the only one to blame here for over-coaching and giving him an inconsistent message. Now everyone can go back to the bubble last year, when we decided to use Suzuki and Kotkaniemi as our top centers. And low and behold, the kids performed. They did it then because they had nothing to lose, but now Ducharme is worried about going down with youngsters and being called out for not playing his veterans and losing the room. If he goes down with vets, he turns around and says it was the players who didn't perform but that he was right for choosing guys who had been there before. It's a cowardly move from the coach and frankly, he's shown his hand. I hope Ducharme gets canned with Bergevin at the end of the year.

Lastly, Merrill... DD has already said he might swap the lines around, but for now, maybe Merrill is on the outside looking in. As I've posted, he's statistically the worst offensive defenceman AND the worst defensive defenceman on the team. And the only player with worse numbers than him is Eric Staal. Zero reason either guy should be in.

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