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7 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

Ok seeing those forward lines now on paper, I'm a little less choked about losing KK ... offensively we've improved a lot, even if you ignore any potential that KK had a breakout year.

Defenisvely ... well, maybe its not as bad as it looks as Weber was terrible for the most part last year and Savard can't be anyworse.    Its Chiarot that's the problem, they need to trade him and stick to Kulak and Romanov.

And who drops the gloves when teams take liberties or try to run us? Josh - we don’t want him fighting frequently or if at all with his shoulder risk. Edmundson? Unfortunately it’s still part of the game and Chiarot delivers that value for his teammates. 
I’m not a Chiarot fan and want him traded too, but I’m being realistic on the expectations. 

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Just now, claremont said:

And who drops the gloves when teams take liberties or try to run us? Josh - we don’t want him fighting frequently or if at all with his shoulder risk. Edmundson? Unfortunately it’s still part of the game and Chiarot delivers that value for his teammates. 
I’m not a Chiarot fan and want him traded too, but I’m being realistic on the expectations. 

Fighting is almost gone in the NHL but ... Paquette, Savard, Edmundson, Poehling, theres a few big boys on the team now besides Anderson.  Chiarot isn't even known for fighting ... According to Hockeyfights.com, Chiarot has had nine fights in his 400 career regular-season games in the NHL, including four this past season.

So outside of the 4 he had last season, he had 5 in the previous 7 seasons
 

Paquette has had 10 fights in 5 seasons

Edmundson has had 10 in 5 seasons

I mean Chiarot's fighting ability is not a factor I'd base keeping him on

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8 hours ago, HabsAlways said:

You're forgetting Wideman ... so we likely see him over Roamov/Norlinder anyways

We might, but I don't think it's a given. He's been out of the NHL and he was signed to a low-salary contract where we can bury him in the minors without any concern for our salary cap. So you look at guys like Campoli, Gustafsson, etc. and he might just be an offensive option they have available but one where the coaches aren't a fan of his defensive play. I think he'll have to fight for a job, I don't think it's a given he's getting a starting spot. If they send Romanov down, it'll be for his development and Wideman will be a placeholder. If Romanov performs well at camp, I think he's ahead of Wideman on the depth chart.

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3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

We might, but I don't think it's a given. He's been out of the NHL and he was signed to a low-salary contract where we can bury him in the minors without any concern for our salary cap. So you look at guys like Campoli, Gustafsson, etc. and he might just be an offensive option they have available but one where the coaches aren't a fan of his defensive play. I think he'll have to fight for a job, I don't think it's a given he's getting a starting spot. If they send Romanov down, it'll be for his development and Wideman will be a placeholder. If Romanov performs well at camp, I think he's ahead of Wideman on the depth chart.

That's what I'm expecting as well, Wideman was brought in to replace Gustaffson and unless he suddenly starts turning heads for some reason, I think he'll be used sparingly.

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6 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

We might, but I don't think it's a given. He's been out of the NHL and he was signed to a low-salary contract where we can bury him in the minors without any concern for our salary cap. So you look at guys like Campoli, Gustafsson, etc. and he might just be an offensive option they have available but one where the coaches aren't a fan of his defensive play. I think he'll have to fight for a job, I don't think it's a given he's getting a starting spot. If they send Romanov down, it'll be for his development and Wideman will be a placeholder. If Romanov performs well at camp, I think he's ahead of Wideman on the depth chart.

Wideman is a more complete defensman than Gus from what ive seen but i agree, he's likely right at the bottom of our depth chart for Dmen.  They most likely wont hesitate to put him on waivers if need be and they likely wouldnt stress too much if he was claimed.

It will be interesting to see how he does at camp. At 30 (or whatever he is) he isnt likely to get a lot better but it will be interesting to see how his KHL stats translate into the NHL.  I think he might end up on our opening night roster but i sure hope he's supplanted by Brook. No offense to him, but Brook is the guy with the long term potential. 

 

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3 hours ago, maas_art said:

Wideman is a more complete defensman than Gus from what ive seen but i agree, he's likely right at the bottom of our depth chart for Dmen.  They most likely wont hesitate to put him on waivers if need be and they likely wouldnt stress too much if he was claimed.

It will be interesting to see how he does at camp. At 30 (or whatever he is) he isnt likely to get a lot better but it will be interesting to see how his KHL stats translate into the NHL.  I think he might end up on our opening night roster but i sure hope he's supplanted by Brook. No offense to him, but Brook is the guy with the long term potential. 

There’s been a number of KHL d-men that have had success there but they have not translated to NHL success on their comeback or entry. Wideman despite some NHL experience and his taped critique of the Sens coaching staff prior to his departure, IMO he faces an uphill battle. Virtually certain Romanov is way ahead of him on the depth chart. 

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19 minutes ago, claremont said:

There’s been a number of KHL d-men that have had success there but they have not translated to NHL success on their comeback or entry. Wideman despite some NHL experience and his taped critique of the Sens coaching staff prior to his departure, IMO he faces an uphill battle. Virtually certain Romanov is way ahead of him on the depth chart. 

I would agree with that. IMHo the team looks at it like:

Petry
Edmundson
Chiarot
Savard 
Romanov
Kulak
Wideman

This could of course change at training camp (And I personally dont rank them quite like that) and of course guys like Brook or Norlinder or even Guhle (who apparently is having a strong rookie camp) could change some minds... 
 

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2 hours ago, claremont said:

There’s been a number of KHL d-men that have had success there but they have not translated to NHL success on their comeback or entry. Wideman despite some NHL experience and his taped critique of the Sens coaching staff prior to his departure, IMO he faces an uphill battle. Virtually certain Romanov is way ahead of him on the depth chart. 

For sure. Who was it last year? I remember that we were in on him, and he ultimately signed with the Leafs. & they needed D, but that guy didn't play much, and subsequently,  got traded. See. I can't even remember his name,  still.  Couldn't have had much of an impact. So, support for your POV.

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58 minutes ago, electron58 said:

For sure. Who was it last year? I remember that we were in on him, and he ultimately signed with the Leafs. & they needed D, but that guy didn't play much, and subsequently,  got traded. See. I can't even remember his name,  still.  Couldn't have had much of an impact. So, support for your POV.

Lehtonen, but he was a Finnish player and the Leafs didn't put him in the best position to succeed. He would have been best served to play along side Romanov on our 3rd pairing to provide some offense from the backend.

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

I would agree with that. IMHo the team looks at it like:

Petry
Edmundson
Chiarot
Savard 
Romanov
Kulak
Wideman

This could of course change at training camp (And I personally dont rank them quite like that) and of course guys like Brook or Norlinder or even Guhle (who apparently is having a strong rookie camp) could change some minds... 
 

I think they view it as Petry, Savard, Chiarot, Edmundson, although I don't think the order of 2 through 4 matters much. They clearly see those guys as their top 4 and they gave the 3 gritty guys matching contracts. After that, I think the team views it as open competition and no other player ha a job locked up. I think they see Kulak, Ouellet, and Wideman as spare parts that can fill roles if needed, and they can return any of Romanov, Norlinder, or Guhle to other clubs without waivers. I'd agree with your order for the next three guys up (Romanov then Kulak then Wideman), but I think the team will leave the door open to Norlinder or Guhle making the club. The one thing that may cause them hesitation is the Kotkaniemi situation, where they just publicly stated they regret not having sent him back to Europe for an extra year. But there are spots there to be had and the upside is that if they go with Romanov AND a rookie they likely won't play them together, which means they'll split up Chiarot and Savard.

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1 hour ago, campabee82 said:

Lehtonen, but he was a Finnish player and the Leafs didn't put him in the best position to succeed. He would have been best served to play along side Romanov on our 3rd pairing to provide some offense from the backend.

Yes. That's him. A Finnish player that played in the KHL, and put up good numbers. Kinda like Wideman, a Canadian player that played in the KHL. What teams do put players in a position to succeed.  Certainly not the Habs.  And where is Lehtonen now?

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12 hours ago, electron58 said:

Yes. That's him. A Finnish player that played in the KHL, and put up good numbers. Kinda like Wideman, a Canadian player that played in the KHL. What teams do put players in a position to succeed.  Certainly not the Habs.  And where is Lehtonen now?

If the Habs put their players in a position to succeed about  a third of them would be in the KHL or AHL.

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