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49 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Indeed. Gonna be hard to come back from this poor start. Second last in our division (although Ottawa has two games in hand) and we'd have to leap frog seven teams to get into the wildcard spot.

That pretty much says it all. You'd have to get past 7 teams just to be at the edge of the playoff bubble!

I don't think this team is as bad as they have looked to start the year (especially when everyone is healthy) but I also don't think we're anything special. I think we could have been a bubble team if we hadn't had such a flat start/injury problem/bad luck but it is what it is. There's virtually no possible way we come back this year - it would take a 10 game winning streak just to get close to that bubble slot - and i think the team knows it.  Play out the season, get a high pick and start fresh this summer (Hopefully with a GM who has a plan).

A few key moves this summer, a healthy roster, who knows, we could he a much better team next season but this year is done like dinner. 

 

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49 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Indeed. Gonna be hard to come back from this poor start. Second last in our division (although Ottawa has two games in hand) and we'd have to leap frog seven teams to get into the wildcard spot.

That's the optimism of leapfrog - I am pessimistically reconciled to the fact that it's an 8 horse race towards the top pick in the draft consensus of Shane Wright - the 7 other teams being Arizona, Ottawa, Krakken, Barfalo, Canuckleheads, Columbus, and Dallas. Even if we get a top 5 pick there's some value.

Am looking forward to when we can be sellers and hope Chiarot gets us a mid to late 1st rounder and we get some 2nd rounders for other fodder on the roster. 

One thing I haven't seen in recent years is for Habs to actually trade up their picks vs trading down. 

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5 minutes ago, claremont said:

Sure is - looking more and more like a desperation move to fill a centre spot - badly needed yes but Dvorak is barely holding his own if that

Well he's ill suited to the role.

There's rumors that MB was talking to Arizona even before Danault had gone UFA and that between Dvorak & Evans they felt they would have a replacement for Danault.  But that still assumes we have JK. 

In that role, a 1st rounder for Dvorak was too much but, as you said, desperation led to moving a potentially high asset (plus the other pick) for a guy who should be a solid #3 but not a great regular #2. 

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23 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Well he's ill suited to the role.

There's rumors that MB was talking to Arizona even before Danault had gone UFA and that between Dvorak & Evans they felt they would have a replacement for Danault.  But that still assumes we have JK. 

In that role, a 1st rounder for Dvorak was too much but, as you said, desperation led to moving a potentially high asset (plus the other pick) for a guy who should be a solid #3 but not a great regular #2. 

yeah I had higher hopes for Dvorak, I thought he could be a poor man's second line center and he hasn't been able to do that. To be fair, pretty much the whole teams sucks

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Just now, habsisme said:

someone told me (I don't know where he heard this) that he's actually looking to sell the team

careful what you wish for...

https://www.markerzone.com/news/index.php?no=60951&s=100

On a 91.9 Sports radio show, host Martin Lemay said all signs point to the Canadiens being on the market.

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34 minutes ago, habsisme said:

yeah I had higher hopes for Dvorak, I thought he could be a poor man's second line center and he hasn't been able to do that. To be fair, pretty much the whole teams sucks

If everyone was healthy, id still be inclined to try Drouin at #2 centre. Him with Anderson on one wing and maybe Armia or another strong board guy could work. Then Dvorak slides back to 3rd, Evans to 4th etc. 

At his current salary he's good value even 1 line down, so id be interested with trying Suzuki - Drouin - Dvorak - Evans... at least until Shayne Wright leapfrogs all of them ;) 

 

15 minutes ago, habsisme said:

someone told me (I don't know where he heard this) that he's actually looking to sell the team

careful what you wish for...

Im not sure that would necessarily be a bad thing.  Molson is a super nice guy but he's always said he's not a "hockey mind."  The right owner could get this team back on track.  Of course you could get a miserly owner who wont spend to the cap & wont fire staff because of the extra cost but i dont think new ownership is necessarily a horrible development. 

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

https://www.markerzone.com/news/index.php?no=60951&s=100

On a 91.9 Sports radio show, host Martin Lemay said all signs point to the Canadiens being on the market.

 

1 hour ago, habsisme said:

Ah there you go! Thanks!

Those rumours have been floating around for quite awhile now. I remember reading something last year about another brewery ( Budweiser) being in the hunt. Molson as an owner has done very little with this franchise since taking over. He's been more concerned about offending the French media and politicians rather then getting down to the issue of building  a contender. It's a tightrope he's chosen to walk and IMO a policy that's failed him miserably. If it materializes, i would hope new owners take a different approach. Willing to bet that the biggest majority of Hab fans in Quebec would chose winning over language any day of the week.

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

If everyone was healthy, id still be inclined to try Drouin at #2 centre. Him with Anderson on one wing and maybe Armia or another strong board guy could work. Then Dvorak slides back to 3rd, Evans to 4th etc. 

At his current salary he's good value even 1 line down, so id be interested with trying Suzuki - Drouin - Dvorak - Evans... at least until Shayne Wright leapfrogs all of them ;) 

 

Im not sure that would necessarily be a bad thing.  Molson is a super nice guy but he's always said he's not a "hockey mind."  The right owner could get this team back on track.  Of course you could get a miserly owner who wont spend to the cap & wont fire staff because of the extra cost but i dont think new ownership is necessarily a horrible development. 

I like what Evans has brought over the last few games and want to see him swapped with Dvorak and Poehling remain. Evans offensive talent is underrated IMO.

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14 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

 

Those rumours have been floating around for quite awhile now. I remember reading something last year about another brewery ( Budweiser) being in the hunt. Molson as an owner has done very little with this franchise since taking over. He's been more concerned about offending the French media and politicians rather then getting down to the issue of building  a contender. It's a tightrope he's chosen to walk and IMO a policy that's failed him miserably. If it materializes, i would hope new owners take a different approach. Willing to bet that the biggest majority of Hab fans in Quebec would chose winning over language any day of the week.

It's an investment. He bought the team, it makes money, one day he'll sell it for more than he bought it for. However, I see no reason why he would offload it now.

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20 minutes ago, 26NCounting said:

Sell the team and move them from MTL so we can finally get past this whole language barrier that keeps us behind the 8 ball!!!!!!

 

Ok seriously lets just start by firing the entire coaching and scouting staff along with MB

We just need ownership willing to tell the ones that worry about that to take a hike.

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https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/stu-cowan-looking-at-positives-as-canadiens-focus-on-the-future

Stu Cowan: Looking at positives as Canadiens focus on the future

Play the young kids this season, let them grow together with less pressure and live with their mistakes while working to correct them

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1 minute ago, Regis22 said:

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/stu-cowan-looking-at-positives-as-canadiens-focus-on-the-future

Stu Cowan: Looking at positives as Canadiens focus on the future

Play the young kids this season, let them grow together with less pressure and live with their mistakes while working to correct them

I don't know,  if I have ever seen the Habs' regime,  ever do this.

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