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23 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I expect the Canadiens will be forced to sign Mailloux to an ELC and send him to Laval after this if they can not find anywhere else for him to go cause Montreal is not going to let him lose a year of development after drafting him.

No one is “ forcing “ them to do anything .     He can go play in Europe 

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58 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I expect the Canadiens will be forced to sign Mailloux to an ELC and send him to Laval after this if they can not find anywhere else for him to go cause Montreal is not going to let him lose a year of development after drafting him.

Hard to say what they are going to do. I  think the Habs were hoping things would kinda die down. Instead, the Habs are in prime time news,  and for not very good, totally preventable, reasons.

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2 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

OHL indefinitely suspends Logan Mailloux. He can apply for reinstatement on or after January 1, 2022.

Definitely going to be very difficult,  for Logan "Charles Manson"  Mailloux , to find a league to play in. Don't get me wrong,  what he did was terrible,  but if he did that here, wouldn't his name have been kept from the public, since he was a minor at the time? How can someone ever get on with their life,  after doing something criminal as a minor? 

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1 hour ago, campabee82 said:

I expect the Canadiens will be forced to sign Mailloux to an ELC and send him to Laval after this if they can not find anywhere else for him to go cause Montreal is not going to let him lose a year of development after drafting him.

The AHL could do the same thing, then the Habs are no further ahead.

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6 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Definitely going to be very difficult,  for Logan "Charles Manson"  Mailloux , to find a league to play in. Don't get me wrong,  what he did was terrible,  but if he did that here, wouldn't his name have been kept from the public, since he was a minor at the time? How can someone ever get on with their life,  after doing something criminal as a minor? 

I know its a hockey forum and not a politics/ethics/law forum but we've really entered a ne world of demonizing people as if we don't all make stupid mistakes in our life. Its like we can't talk about these important issues with finding "bad guys" to obliterate 

hey I can only speak for myself but I feel it neccessary to say that I've done some stupid things in my life that I regret and while it wasn't really anything to do with wha Logan did, he is no more EVIL than I am. So if the world wants to throw him under the bus, they should do the same to me

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1 hour ago, habsisme said:

I know its a hockey forum and not a politics/ethics/law forum but we've really entered a ne world of demonizing people as if we don't all make stupid mistakes in our life. Its like we can't talk about these important issues with finding "bad guys" to obliterate 

hey I can only speak for myself but I feel it neccessary to say that I've done some stupid things in my life that I regret and while it wasn't really anything to do with wha Logan did, he is no more EVIL than I am. So if the world wants to throw him under the bus, they should do the same to me

Agreed. How is the kid supposed to rehabilitate himself. Going to London was supposed to be good for him, help him grow into a better person. They have a good system there. What’s the end goal here? At his age he is very susceptible to going down an unhealthy path of drugs, alcohol and self hate. How does taking away hockey, the one healthy, structured distraction he has do any good for anyone. 

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1 hour ago, habsisme said:

I know its a hockey forum and not a politics/ethics/law forum but we've really entered a ne world of demonizing people as if we don't all make stupid mistakes in our life. Its like we can't talk about these important issues with finding "bad guys" to obliterate 

hey I can only speak for myself but I feel it neccessary to say that I've done some stupid things in my life that I regret and while it wasn't really anything to do with wha Logan did, he is no more EVIL than I am. So if the world wants to throw him under the bus, they should do the same to me

And the thing is, didn't he technically,  pay for his crime? How long can you make a minor pay for their crime? I know that it is worse at the border. Even something a person has done as a minor,  is on record (supposed to be sealed) and the USA  customs can deny you entry.  I've seen it. They shouldn't even have access to those records. So, I guess what I am trying to say,  is that LM has many, many more hurdles to clear, and so subsequently, do the Habs!

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50 minutes ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

Agreed. How is the kid supposed to rehabilitate himself. Going to London was supposed to be good for him, help him grow into a better person. They have a good system there. What’s the end goal here? At his age he is very susceptible to going down an unhealthy path of drugs, alcohol and self hate. How does taking away hockey, the one healthy, structured distraction he has do any good for anyone. 

Those certainly are all possibilities.  Up to the Habs, to make sure they don't happen.

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3 hours ago, habsisme said:

I know its a hockey forum and not a politics/ethics/law forum but we've really entered a ne world of demonizing people as if we don't all make stupid mistakes in our life. Its like we can't talk about these important issues with finding "bad guys" to obliterate 

hey I can only speak for myself but I feel it neccessary to say that I've done some stupid things in my life that I regret and while it wasn't really anything to do with wha Logan did, he is no more EVIL than I am. So if the world wants to throw him under the bus, they should do the same to me

And Turdeau is still Prime Minister after wearing blackface multiple times and groping a woman's behind. 

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4 hours ago, habsisme said:

I know its a hockey forum and not a politics/ethics/law forum but we've really entered a ne world of demonizing people as if we don't all make stupid mistakes in our life. Its like we can't talk about these important issues with finding "bad guys" to obliterate 

hey I can only speak for myself but I feel it neccessary to say that I've done some stupid things in my life that I regret and while it wasn't really anything to do with wha Logan did, he is no more EVIL than I am. So if the world wants to throw him under the bus, they should do the same to me

I agree, I once stole a tractor from a farm and rolled it down a hill into a swamp. So glad I did this in Canada where my record is sealed. That would have prevented me from doing anything now.

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5 hours ago, habsisme said:

I know its a hockey forum and not a politics/ethics/law forum but we've really entered a ne world of demonizing people as if we don't all make stupid mistakes in our life. Its like we can't talk about these important issues with finding "bad guys" to obliterate 

hey I can only speak for myself but I feel it neccessary to say that I've done some stupid things in my life that I regret and while it wasn't really anything to do with wha Logan did, he is no more EVIL than I am. So if the world wants to throw him under the bus, they should do the same to me

pretty much my take on this as well ...the kid seems to genuinely get that errors in judgments can affect people's lives adversely including his own ..he looks honestly remorseful and is probably going to put his nose to the grindstone from here on in ....The Habs are doing whatever they can for him ....I hope the girl he harmed as well  can get through this to another chapter in her life ...who hasn't done something stupid at 17 ?..

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1 hour ago, habs1952 said:

And Turdeau is still Prime Minister after wearing blackface multiple times and groping a woman's behind. 

Don't forget the elbowing of a wonen's breast. 

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I'm not really heartbroken that Mailloux was suspended by the OHL. It's the first real punishment he's actually received from the hockey world, to be honest. And he'll be able to apply for reinstatement in four months. Which is a pretty short period of time.

What was his hockey world punishment before this? Nothing. He got dragged in the media and still got selected by the Montreal Canadiens in the first round. And if we didn't take him, someone else would've in the second round. Four months of not being allowed to play in the OHL is noticeable, but it's not world-ending. His development will be fine.

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10 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I'm not really heartbroken that Mailloux was suspended by the OHL. It's the first real punishment he's actually received from the hockey world, to be honest. And he'll be able to apply for reinstatement in four months. Which is a pretty short period of time.

What was his hockey world punishment before this? Nothing. He got dragged in the media and still got selected by the Montreal Canadiens in the first round. And if we didn't take him, someone else would've in the second round. Four months of not being allowed to play in the OHL is noticeable, but it's not world-ending. His development will be fine.

I suppose the question is whether it’s the hockey worlds place to dole out punishment, or is that what we have real world justice systems for?

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2 minutes ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I suppose the question is whether it’s the hockey worlds place to dole out punishment, or is that what we have real world justice systems for?

There are 2 sides to this argument though. 1. This absolutely is why we have the real world justice systems. In this case the punishment was a little light IMO (maybe should have gotten probation or something, although I don't know how they would enforce it globally) but that is how Sweden punishes this type of crime. 2. If I were to face this type of crime and my employer found out I would be fired because we have a public image clause which extends to but is not limited to social media. So the hockey world has just as much right to suspend or even ban a player for the same thing. Look at Tony DeAngelo the OHL suspended him as well.

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20 minutes ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I suppose the question is whether it’s the hockey worlds place to dole out punishment, or is that what we have real world justice systems for?

Good question.

Without going too far into the current situation around social justice, I think part of the reason why we see an uptick in situations like this (i.e. societal/fan pressure applied, media reaction, OHL punishment, etc.) is because the actual real world justice systems have probably been letting people down for a long time.

It's not a stretch to imagine woman feeling let down for many, many years as it relates to sexual assault and harassment against them. We've now reached a stage whereby, if the actual systems of justice won't do their job, social media ends up being an ignition for other means of punishment. Each and every situation warrants specific consideration. And I'm not advocating for additional punishment for Mailloux, but... This is where we've come to as a society.

I still don't know what Mailloux's actual legal punishment in Sweden (was it Sweden?) was.

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36 minutes ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I suppose the question is whether it’s the hockey worlds place to dole out punishment, or is that what we have real world justice systems for?

Exactly! It happened in a different league, in a different country, where he was justly punished according to their laws.

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11 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Pretty minor. There was nothing else?

Not to my knowledge. He was even allowed to continue playing in Sweden after the conviction, so I‘m guessing him coming across the pond for a while is a real possibility. I wouldn’t mind following his career here in Germany for a bit, but that’s pretty unlikely.

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28 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I still don't know what Mailloux's actual legal punishment in Sweden (was it Sweden?) was.

Mailloux, now 18, was 17 and a minor at the time of the incident. Though he was not publicly identified until now, Mailloux’s offense did make news in Sweden. He says he was interviewed by 26 NHL teams in the lead up to the Draft and each one of them asked him about the incident. 

The victim, then an 18-year-old female, was not a minor at the time of the incident.

According to a 48-page investigation report from Sweden’s North Region Polisen, Mailloux secretly photographed the victim without her consent or knowledge while engaging in oral sex.

The next day, Mailloux shared the photo in the SK Lejon team group chat on SnapChat during a bus ride to a road game. According to the investigation, the victim was not identified in the photo. A witness interviewed said in the investigation that the photo only made visible “the hair of the girl … you saw that it was a girl, and you glimpsed bra straps,” according to the report.

But when Mailloux shared the photo to SK Lejon teammates, according to the report, he also sent a screenshot of the victim’s online profile, which identified her to teammates by displaying her photo, first name and age. As word quickly spread. The victim soon confronted Mailloux and his teammates, who claimed to delete the photo, according to the investigation. The offense was reported to police and the victim’s attorney filed a claim asking the Swedish prosecutor to order Mailloux to pay 7,000 Swedish krona (~$800 U.S. Dollars) for “offensive photography” and 30,000 Swedish krona (~$3,500 U.S. Dollars) for defamation. In Sweden, part of the fine for a crime such as this one is payable to the victim.Mailloux was not arrested by Swedish Polisen. Mailloux was ultimately charged with both defamation and “Kränkande fotografering,” or offensive photography, and ordered to pay 14,300 Swedish krona, approximately $1,650 U.S. Dollars, by way of a criminal injunction that relieved the matter from the court system. Offensive photography became illegal in Sweden in 2013, banning secretly photographing or filming someone in a private place. The penalty is a fine or a maximum of up to two years in Sweden. 

According to the investigation report, Mailloux did not dispute the facts laid out in the case. The Belle River, Ont., native also confessed to the facts in a series of text messages with the victim, which were included in the report as evidence. The photo itself was not reproduced in evidence.

According to the report, the victim claimed Mailloux told her he sent the photo to his teammates as “a trophy” and that he did it because of “pressure from the guys.”

The victim also said in the investigation that the photo was damaging because she was “no longer anonymous,” and that even if players on SK Lejon deleted the image as they said, the incident would not “stay” within the team as Mailloux and his teammates suggested to her. She said it damaged her reputation as gossip filtered out to others in town.

“What happened affected [me] much more than he thinks,” the victim expressed to investigators.

However, Mailloux also told investigators in the report: “Logan said he had met [the victim] after this [incident] and that she told him that she wanted to ruin his career. Logan explained that the NHL Draft is [on the] way and that she knows this and that it is sensitive.”  

The response from several NHL teams has been clear. At minimum, the Arizona Coyotes, Chicago Blackhawks, New York Rangers and Toronto Maple Leafs are believed to be among the teams with no plans to select Mailloux under any circumstance. The list is likely longer than four teams, as six teams did not interview Mailloux at all, which would seemingly indicate their lack of interest in him.

“We’re trying to put a team on the ice people can be proud of and support,” one NHL team front office member said, when asked about Mailloux. “We’ll build a less efficient roster, if need be, to make sure that is the case in our community.”

I know anybody could find this info.  I just thought it would be easier to reference. Seems there are, in fact, other teams with high morals & standards.

Again.  What were the Habs thinking?  Or should I say, What was bergebin thinking, because I'm pretty sure, Molson would NEVER have done this.  Too bad he has to protect bergebin.

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