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What about this…

Trade Drouin to Colorado for Landeskog negotiating rights, sign’em. 
Kotkaneimi, two 1sts and a prospect to Buffalo for Eichel. 
If we lose Price, sign Hamilton to fill Weber’s spot. If we don’t, sign Berry to slot in under Petry.

Could make for an interesting new look for our Habs, eh?

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3 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Does the protecting of Armia indicate the team is intent on resigning him or was it just a case of, "Well, we gotta protect someone"?

A bit of both I believe.   I think the team wants to resign him so they used a slot to protect him but not sure if it will actually happen.   They had to expose guys like Byron and Drouin, so once those slots were open, it only makes sense to protect a guy you think (or hope) you will sign (Armia) over one who may not (danault)

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12 hours ago, maas_art said:

A bit of both I believe.   I think the team wants to resign him so they used a slot to protect him but not sure if it will actually happen.   They had to expose guys like Byron and Drouin, so once those slots were open, it only makes sense to protect a guy you think (or hope) you will sign (Armia) over one who may not (danault)

This is right, but based on the "need to protect someone" logic, I figured they'd protect Danault. It seems to say something  about the state of negotiations that they protected a less important player over him.

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6 hours ago, Graeme-1 said:

This is right, but based on the "need to protect someone" logic, I figured they'd protect Danault. It seems to say something  about the state of negotiations that they protected a less important player over him.

They had to expose Drouin and Byron to meet requirements, so their only choices to protect as a UFA were Danault, Tatar, Perry, or Armia really. Tatar isn't coming back. Danault seems to have made it clear he's looking for big money. Perry wouldn't be claimed any way. The Kraken have suggested they want cheaper players on shorter deals and more likely Armia would get that than Danault so I don't think this means they're close on Armia, just that they see better odds of signing him and/or the deal they think they can get would be more feasible for Seattle to look at too. So essentially, agreed that this is a message that Danault is way off on his ask.

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Minnesota is a team Id be talking a lot with right now. Their cap is a mess and they are in some serious trouble.

Right now they have about $20m in cap space - BUT - Kaprizov is asking for 1/2 of that ($10m) and apparently has offers from his old club in Russia for even more than that.   1 elite year (and the Calder) under his belt, but thats a very hefty price tag. Even if they bridge him with a "show me" deal you have to figure he is going to get $7-8m  So that leaves only $12m in cap space - 9 forwards, 6 dmen and 2 goalies signed.  

They'll be fine this year but  the bigger issue in Minny is the "dead cap" they have to worry about with the Suter and Parise buyouts.   $4.7m in dead cap this year but a whopping $12-14.7m for the 3 years after that...  I think they are hoping the cap goes up but it ain't going up that much imho.

I wonder if you could entice them with picks and young, cheap players to acquire a guy like Matt Dumba or Jonas Brodin...   i think there's an opportunity there, this is a team that is going to be in some trouble very soon unless they can find some cheap depth... 

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15 minutes ago, tony5775 said:

Wonder how much salary Nasville would retain for a deal with Matt Duchene . He is great on face offs and would more then replace what we lost. Heard earlier they were trying to move him. 

Interesting idea.

He makes $8m a year for the next 5 years... obviously thats way overpriced but if they retained, say, $3m per... id be interested in him.  At $5m he's an upgrade on Danault and I dont think he'd be bad value at that price. I dont think he'll come close to his PPG season in Col, but I could see him being of use to us. Maybe they swap him for Byron + Pick.

Or, you try to get them to retain the full max allowed (50%) and we give them back Weber. Then there's a huge weight off their shoulders with regards to recapture penalty if Weber retired. Obviously the only way MB does this is if he's 100% sure Shea is done.  Even then he probably stays on the LTIR so no real worries for Nashville but this way they would control their destiny more. 

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5 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

FANTASY TRADE

To MTL:
Elias Pettersson (22 y/o - RFA)
4th round draft choice (2022)
3rd round draft choice (2023)

To VAN:
Jesperi Kotkaniemi (21 y/o - RFA)
Jonathan Drouin (26 y/o - $5.5 million)
Jesse Ylonen (21 y/o - $0.88 million)
3rd round draft choice (2022)

I like it, although Canucks may want a D prospect,  so switch Ylonen with one, maybe Struble?

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I’m going to post this here in an attempt to get past the offer sheet aspect of it all. I might have posted this in a Ryan Poehling thread, but there doesn’t seem to be one, so here will have to do. So that this post doesn’t seem out of place, I’ll start with this… 

If I were GM I would have more faith in Ryan Poehling.

I can’t help but notice a real lack of enthusiasm around this guy, and I wonder where, when and why this has happened? He’s 22 years old, 6’2, 200 lb. In his draft year THN had him ranked 17th, ISS at 15th. Since then, save for one uninspiring season, he has consistently looked good. He’s big, he can skate, he hits, as I understand it he’s defensively responsible, has shown he can put up points at every level so far (again, save for that short stint with us in 2019/20).

All this concern about losing Kotkaneimi just seems like a great big overreaction to me. Besides where they were selected (KK at 3rd, Poehling at 25th), Poehling was actually rated higher of the two with Kotkaneimi at 18th by THN and 16th by ISS. There basically the same size, same position. Poehling is the better skater between them and from what I can tell, the more natural center, having played it his whole career, yet so many on here seem to have it in their head that he is the one better suited for the wing, figure that one out… A lot of posts claim that it’s been a lack of talent on Kotkaneimi’s wings that has been holding him back, but here we have the opportunity to afford Poehling with the same quality wingers that Kotkaneimi was poised to finally get to play with this season and the general consensus seems to be that he would be better suited to playing with Lehkonen, Armia, Byron. The same “scrubs” that have been credited with holding Kotkaneimi back. How does that make any sense?

Poehling is not 17, he’s not a kid. He deserves his shot, he’s earned it, and IMO, he deserves a chance to play in our middle 6, just as Kotkaneimi was going to get. It doesn’t matter what you call it, #2 C, #3 C, Kotkaneimi was either going to line up with Gallagher and probably Hoffman, or Anderson and one of Drouin or Toffoli, with Evans filling the other spot. How does Poehling not slot right into that same scenario? I say give it a go, nothing to lose and everything to gain. Let’s give Poehling a chance to impress us, the chance he’s earned.

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4 minutes ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I’m going to post this here in an attempt to get past the offer sheet aspect of it all. I might have posted this in a Ryan Poehling thread, but there doesn’t seem to be one, so here will have to do. So that this post doesn’t seem out of place, I’ll start with this… 

If I were GM I would have more faith in Ryan Poehling.

I can’t help but notice a real lack of enthusiasm around this guy, and I wonder where, when and why this has happened? He’s 22 years old, 6’2, 200 lb. In his draft year THN had him ranked 17th, ISS at 15th. Since then, save for one uninspiring season, he has consistently looked good. He’s big, he can skate, he hits, as I understand it he’s defensively responsible, has shown he can put up points at every level so far (again, save for that short stint with us in 2019/20).

All this concern about losing Kotkaneimi just seems like a great big overreaction to me. Besides where they were selected (KK at 3rd, Poehling at 25th), Poehling was actually rated higher of the two with Kotkaneimi at 18th by THN and 16th by ISS. There basically the same size, same position. Poehling is the better skater between them and from what I can tell, the more natural center, having played it his whole career, yet so many on here seem to have it in their head that he is the one better suited for the wing, figure that one out… A lot of posts claim that it’s been a lack of talent on Kotkaneimi’s wings that has been holding him back, but here we have the opportunity to afford Poehling with the same quality wingers that Kotkaneimi was poised to finally get to play with this season and the general consensus seems to be that he would be better suited to playing with Lehkonen, Armia, Byron. The same “scrubs” that have been credited with holding Kotkaneimi back. How does that make any sense?

Poehling is not 17, he’s not a kid. He deserves his shot, he’s earned it, and IMO, he deserves a chance to play in our middle 6, just as Kotkaneimi was going to get. It doesn’t matter what you call it, #2 C, #3 C, Kotkaneimi was either going to line up with Gallagher and probably Hoffman, or Anderson and one of Drouin or Toffoli, with Evans filling the other spot. How does Poehling not slot right into that same scenario? I say give it a go, nothing to lose and everything to gain. Let’s give Poehling a chance to impress us, the chance he’s earned.

I agree, I'm excited about Poehling, the only thing now is can he stay healthy

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44 minutes ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I’m going to post this here in an attempt to get past the offer sheet aspect of it all. I might have posted this in a Ryan Poehling thread, but there doesn’t seem to be one, so here will have to do. So that this post doesn’t seem out of place, I’ll start with this… 

If I were GM I would have more faith in Ryan Poehling.

I can’t help but notice a real lack of enthusiasm around this guy, and I wonder where, when and why this has happened? He’s 22 years old, 6’2, 200 lb. In his draft year THN had him ranked 17th, ISS at 15th. Since then, save for one uninspiring season, he has consistently looked good. He’s big, he can skate, he hits, as I understand it he’s defensively responsible, has shown he can put up points at every level so far (again, save for that short stint with us in 2019/20).

All this concern about losing Kotkaneimi just seems like a great big overreaction to me. Besides where they were selected (KK at 3rd, Poehling at 25th), Poehling was actually rated higher of the two with Kotkaneimi at 18th by THN and 16th by ISS. There basically the same size, same position. Poehling is the better skater between them and from what I can tell, the more natural center, having played it his whole career, yet so many on here seem to have it in their head that he is the one better suited for the wing, figure that one out… A lot of posts claim that it’s been a lack of talent on Kotkaneimi’s wings that has been holding him back, but here we have the opportunity to afford Poehling with the same quality wingers that Kotkaneimi was poised to finally get to play with this season and the general consensus seems to be that he would be better suited to playing with Lehkonen, Armia, Byron. The same “scrubs” that have been credited with holding Kotkaneimi back. How does that make any sense?

Poehling is not 17, he’s not a kid. He deserves his shot, he’s earned it, and IMO, he deserves a chance to play in our middle 6, just as Kotkaneimi was going to get. It doesn’t matter what you call it, #2 C, #3 C, Kotkaneimi was either going to line up with Gallagher and probably Hoffman, or Anderson and one of Drouin or Toffoli, with Evans filling the other spot. How does Poehling not slot right into that same scenario? I say give it a go, nothing to lose and everything to gain. Let’s give Poehling a chance to impress us, the chance he’s earned.

Well said. I'm all for giving Poehling a shot this season!

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32 minutes ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

What was his injury? Is there a history there?

wrist injury but I'm pretty sure he was hurt the year before, no? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly

But he was really good in Laval last year before the injury

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33 minutes ago, habsisme said:

wrist injury but I'm pretty sure he was hurt the year before, no? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly

But he was really good in Laval last year before the injury

I searched and saw there was a concussion a while back, so there’s that.

3 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

Dale Wiesse over at Habs Tonight is pretty high on him and feels he is going to have a breakout year.

I’ve seen that too, Wiesse is absolutely a fan!

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6 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I’m going to post this here in an attempt to get past the offer sheet aspect of it all. I might have posted this in a Ryan Poehling thread, but there doesn’t seem to be one, so here will have to do. So that this post doesn’t seem out of place, I’ll start with this… 

If I were GM I would have more faith in Ryan Poehling.

I can’t help but notice a real lack of enthusiasm around this guy, and I wonder where, when and why this has happened? He’s 22 years old, 6’2, 200 lb. In his draft year THN had him ranked 17th, ISS at 15th. Since then, save for one uninspiring season, he has consistently looked good. He’s big, he can skate, he hits, as I understand it he’s defensively responsible, has shown he can put up points at every level so far (again, save for that short stint with us in 2019/20).

All this concern about losing Kotkaneimi just seems like a great big overreaction to me. Besides where they were selected (KK at 3rd, Poehling at 25th), Poehling was actually rated higher of the two with Kotkaneimi at 18th by THN and 16th by ISS. There basically the same size, same position. Poehling is the better skater between them and from what I can tell, the more natural center, having played it his whole career, yet so many on here seem to have it in their head that he is the one better suited for the wing, figure that one out… A lot of posts claim that it’s been a lack of talent on Kotkaneimi’s wings that has been holding him back, but here we have the opportunity to afford Poehling with the same quality wingers that Kotkaneimi was poised to finally get to play with this season and the general consensus seems to be that he would be better suited to playing with Lehkonen, Armia, Byron. The same “scrubs” that have been credited with holding Kotkaneimi back. How does that make any sense?

Poehling is not 17, he’s not a kid. He deserves his shot, he’s earned it, and IMO, he deserves a chance to play in our middle 6, just as Kotkaneimi was going to get. It doesn’t matter what you call it, #2 C, #3 C, Kotkaneimi was either going to line up with Gallagher and probably Hoffman, or Anderson and one of Drouin or Toffoli, with Evans filling the other spot. How does Poehling not slot right into that same scenario? I say give it a go, nothing to lose and everything to gain. Let’s give Poehling a chance to impress us, the chance he’s earned.

For sure, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH! If the Habs can ever get past "not giving prospects a chance" they may be surprised in what they have with Poehling. As with Evans, I've been high on Poehling. He's improved every year since his draft year, except for maybe one tough season. He started college early, so he could play with his brothers at St. Cloud State University. He has the pedigree.  After a very good season for Laval last year, he knows what it will take at the NHL level. I think the Habs are scared to go into the season with so many inexperienced centers, but, if you don't try them, you'll never know. They dropped the ball with KK. It's time to learn from these 9 years of drafting futility and see what they have. And NO to stall!!!

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7 hours ago, electron58 said:

For sure, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH! If the Habs can ever get past "not giving prospects a chance" they may be surprised in what they have with Poehling. As with Evans, I've been high on Poehling. He's improved every year since his draft year, except for maybe one tough season. He started college early, so he could play with his brothers at St. Cloud State University. He has the pedigree.  After a very good season for Laval last year, he knows what it will take at the NHL level. I think the Habs are scared to go into the season with so many inexperienced centers, but, if you don't try them, you'll never know. They dropped the ball with KK. It's time to learn from these 9 years of drafting futility and see what they have. And NO to stall!!!

I agree with this entirely, have been very high on him myself!!  I personally think the problem with the whole KK fiasco is I will call it the Bettman theory where you make a horrible mistake (yes I consider drafting KK a horrible mistake)  and now you just keep digging deeper because your too stubborn to admit they made a mistake and just let it go.  Similar to Bettman with Arizona expansion.  MB has seriously got to go and take our entire scouting dept with him.  Not sure who hired these clowns but they would totally screw up if they had the #1 pick

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I want the OS matched I won't deny it, I am a huge KK fan. He has all of the tools to get better and more importantly we get much much weaker down the middle and are trying to force a solution if he walks. Whether that is moving Drouin back to center, promoting Poehling to 2C or trying to trade from a position of weakness none of these are optimal solutions. Even IF KK wants out by matching the OS you are forcing him to play better cause he will need to raise his value closer to his salary in order to facilitate a trade later. So whether the plan is to keep KK and hope to extend him or trade him later matching makes the most sense as opposed to letting him walk for next to nothing. No matter what the outcome though IMO Poehling should be given his shot at 3C and Evans as our shutdown center between Lehkonen and Armia. I like Poehling and a lineup of Zuke-KK-Poehling-Evans may be young but there is a ton of talent there. Match the OS and let the kids play!

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4 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I want the OS matched I won't deny it, I am a huge KK fan. He has all of the tools to get better and more importantly we get much much weaker down the middle and are trying to force a solution if he walks. Whether that is moving Drouin back to center, promoting Poehling to 2C or trying to trade from a position of weakness none of these are optimal solutions. Even IF KK wants out by matching the OS you are forcing him to play better cause he will need to raise his value closer to his salary in order to facilitate a trade later. So whether the plan is to keep KK and hope to extend him or trade him later matching makes the most sense as opposed to letting him walk for next to nothing. No matter what the outcome though IMO Poehling should be given his shot at 3C and Evans as our shutdown center between Lehkonen and Armia. I like Poehling and a lineup of Zuke-KK-Poehling-Evans may be young but there is a ton of talent there. Match the OS and let the kids play!

I'd like us to match as well, unless Bergevin pulls off a major trade that makes us better instantly (difficult given the situation we're in). I always liked KK and was willing to give him more time but I'm really not sure if there's a way back for him. This organization has a lot of history and takes pride in it, the blatant disrespect from the Hurricanes and Kotkaniemi's involvement isn't going to sit well with a lot of people.

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On 9/1/2021 at 9:31 AM, ChiLla said:

I'd like us to match as well, unless Bergevin pulls off a major trade that makes us better instantly (difficult given the situation we're in). I always liked KK and was willing to give him more time but I'm really not sure if there's a way back for him. This organization has a lot of history and takes pride in it, the blatant disrespect from the Hurricanes and Kotkaniemi's involvement isn't going to sit well with a lot of people.

 He claims he didn't get the significance of the $20 + $15 bonus ....even if he did he can't turn down an offer of $6.1 million ...how he is viewed on the team is another matter ...if the Habs keep him the money it costs would be the difference in the Habs acquiring another decent piece to the team this year ...I'm starting to lean towards not giving Waddell his piece of flesh even though he gets his juvenile revenge 

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23 minutes ago, arpem-can said:

 He claims he didn't get the significance of the $20 + $15 bonus ....even if he did he can't turn down an offer of $6.1 million ...how he is viewed on the team is another matter ...if the Habs keep him the money it costs would be the difference in the Habs acquiring another decent piece to the team this year ...I'm starting to lean towards not giving Waddell his piece of flesh even though he gets his juvenile revenge 

That’s totally possible and I’m actually inclined to believe it. But his agent definitely understood the significance of a 20$ signing bonus, if he didn’t he should be looking for a new job because he wasn’t doing what he’s supposed to. I‘m not saying that I‘d expect JK to turn down the offer, not at all, nobody in I their right mind would do that. But there certainly would have been room for taking a stance and not being part of Dundon’s nifty little revenge games (I don’t think this is coming from Waddell). If the offer was truly conditional on those petty numbers being in the contract, it would have been a MAJOR red flag to me because it just confirms that they‘re not primarily interested in the player.

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