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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Robin Lehner with comments on twitter last night about how Vigneault should be fired and how the Flyers gave benzodiazepenes to players without prescriptions. Several members of the media including Elliotte Friedman have subsequently contacted sources and said they can confirm from others that Lehner's comments are true. In particular, one source saying Nolan Patrick was given sedatives without a prescription when he had a concussion. Lehner responded by saying this wasn't even one of the examples he was talking about but that he isn't surprised by this. The NHL has told Lehner they want to meet with him privately to discuss this.

So the league looks like it's dealing with yet another controversy. After the likes of Mike Babcock mistreating players and the debacle in Chicago and the racism accusations against coaches, now you have accusation against the Flyers and Vigneault... some say this is the tip of the iceberg.

Babcock's "mistreatment" of players is overblown. Prescribing drugs is totally different. 

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On 9/23/2021 at 2:58 PM, Regis22 said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-archibalds-selfish-anti-vaccine-stance-not-worth-risk/

For Oilers, Archibald’s selfish anti-vaccine stance is not worth the risk

 

EDMONTON — One is a player who opted to honour his commitment to his new team in Edmonton. The other, just another selfish anti-vaxxer who is betting on himself, somewhat foolishly.

One is a player the general manager staked his reputation on, with much pedigree and a handful of Stanley Cup rings. A guy who came to town billed as a leader, and then backed it up when he rolled up his sleeve despite obvious misgivings about being vaccinated.

Sure, Duncan Keith should have gotten vaccinated a month sooner. But give him some credit for putting the team — society and the Oilers — ahead of himself. Even if he waited until the 11th hour to do it.

Then there is depth winger Josh Archibald, who will be replaced by Game 1 of the regular season if he doesn’t give his head a shake. He is from that young, conspiracy-oriented demographic that has been suckered in by far-right disinformation, and tweets about idiocy like “the plandemic.

 

PS Archibald sounds like an idiot 

The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid 19 - Plandemic (Was Covid-19 a plan?) https://youtu.be/EAa8FLInScc via

Josh Archibald’s season has been derailed by, you guessed it, a bout with COVID-19.

After undergoing a battery of tests over the past week, the Edmonton Oilers forward was found by doctors to have COVID-19 antibodies and the heart condition myocarditis. Doctors believe Archibald, 28, contracted COVID-19 sometime this summer, between leaving the Oilers after their Round 1 playoff exit and the point in which he tested negative upon returning to Edmonton in the fall.


“He had a severe viral infection coming out of his quarantine,” after arriving in Canada fort training camp, Oilers head coach Dave Tippett said on Sunday. “What the tests showed is that at some point this summer he’d had COVID, and he tested positive for the antibodies.

“He has also been diagnosed with myocarditis.”

Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle, the same condition that struck Oilers third-string goalie Alex Stalock, as a result of a bout with COVID-19. It has become relatively common for athletes to suffer from myocarditis, as COVID-19 leaves their hearts vulnerable when they ramp up their training post-illness.

Archibald has not been healthy enough to skate with his teammates here, despite daily negative COVID-19 tests. After doing blood work, the Oilers doctors found that Archibald — who has posted on social media against getting vaccinated — had contracted COVID-19 at some point.

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i dont get why someone not wanting a vaccine makes them an anti vaxxer, the wording is unjust. I am sure he can care less if others get the vaccine which would not make him an anti vaxxer... the politics involved in this is sickening, the vaccine could literally kill the guy if he has myocarditis... 

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2 hours ago, AH64 said:

i dont get why someone not wanting a vaccine makes them an anti vaxxer, the wording is unjust. I am sure he can care less if others get the vaccine which would not make him an anti vaxxer... the politics involved in this is sickening, the vaccine could literally kill the guy if he has myocarditis... 

For a guy like Archibald, I think there's enough information out there about COVID, both the infection and the vaccine, to know what you need to know to make an informed choice about vaccines. It's true that there are people who lack the education to make an informed decision or that lack the education to understand the debates they hear on social media. But as a well-paid NHL player, Archibald shouldn't be one of them. Professional athletes in general have access to high-ranking health care professionals and they have the resources to be able to ask questions about their concerns and get answers. So I don't think a guy like Archibald or Ylonen or Keith can claim ignorance here.

When you hear of people who haven't been vaccinated yet, you tend to hear of similar responses:

- "There isn't enough data about it"

- "I want to see more people get it first to know if it's safe"

- "The vaccine has potential side effects"

But in all of these cases, there actually is a ton of data about vaccines. And yes, while there can be rare side effects that are serious, the data is there that says the percentage of people who have serious reactions to these vaccines is miniscule while the percentage of people who catch COVID who get hospitalized, get bloods clots, get myocarditis, or die is a lot higher. Way higher. If you're scared of getting myocarditis from the vaccine, the risk is probably 100 times higher of getting myocarditis with COVID. What's funnier is that many people who claim they won't tolerate the risk of side effects with vaccines are more than happy to smoke or take the contraceptive pill or fly on an airplane and so on, and the risk of doing those things is probably higher than getting a COVID vaccine too.

Then occasionally you have people who say they're allergic to the vaccine, which is possible and may require monitoring to get it, but which allergists say isn't a reason not to get vaccinated. And you have people who claim the vaccine is a way for the government to microchip and follow you, which is a bot ridiculous as a conspiracy theory... and again, most adults carry around cell phones and watches and so on that allow them to be tracked anyways and don't worry about these.

All that to say that I hope Archibald gets better, and I don't want to see anyone suffer from COVID complications whether they believe in vaccines or not. But I've yet to hear of a legitimate reason for refusing the vaccine. If Archibald was offered a vaccine and the chance to speak to a healthcare professional about it and still spoke out against it, then it's hard to justify his actions.

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3 hours ago, AH64 said:

i dont get why someone not wanting a vaccine makes them an anti vaxxer, the wording is unjust. I am sure he can care less if others get the vaccine which would not make him an anti vaxxer... the politics involved in this is sickening, the vaccine could literally kill the guy if he has myocarditis... 

I agree with the anti vaxer comments to each his own but I believe h e got myocarditis from having Covid. I know two other people who have had the same problem and although the vaccine can also cause something like myocarditis it is more severe when you get from the virus. The vaccine is in no way a cure all but because it activates your antibodies it makes the chance of you getting a severe case of covid a lot less likely. Vaxed or not the population is likely to get covid one way or another.

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Veteran forward Brandon Sutter will be unavailable to start the season for the Vancouver Canucks. The news was shared by general manager Jim Benning earlier today. Sutter has been battling a shoulder injury since the end of last season and is still dealing with fatigue.

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the team has agreed to terms with defenseman Arber Xhekaj on a three-year, two-way contract (2021-22 to 2023-24).

The deal will pay Xhekaj $750,000 in salary in the NHL in 2021-22 and 2022-23, and $775,000 in 2023-24, while it will see him earn $70,000 in the AHL. The contract also contains signing bonuses of $80,000 (2021-22), $70,000 (2022-23) and $60,000 (2023-24).

Xhekaj was released from training camp and will be loaned to the Kitchener Rangers in the OHL.

Xhekaj played 51 games with Kitchener in 2019-20, registering six goals and 11 assists, in addition to serving 88 penalty minutes. The 6'03'', 204 lbs blueliner also posted a plus-26 differential in his second season in the junior ranks. Xhekaj did not play in 2020-21 following the cancellation of the OHL season due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

I actually thought this guy has some toughness to his game - a different style than lots of our current LHD D prospects of Norliner, Harris, Guhle, Struble

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3 hours ago, claremont said:

I actually thought this guy has some toughness to his game - a different style than lots of our current LHD D prospects of Norliner, Harris, Guhle, Struble

I thought Struble brings major toughness in his game.

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18 hours ago, Habberwacky said:

I agree with the anti vaxer comments to each his own but I believe h e got myocarditis from having Covid. 

That is what I read .  Myocarditis is one of the after effects of getting coivid .   Appears he didn’t take it seriously enough . Got it . Didn’t know . And after all these tests found out he got it sometime in the summer .   Maybe now  he can be an advocate for the vaccine . Instead of ignorant dumb@ss 🤦‍♂️😏

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7 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

That is what I read .  Myocarditis is one of the after effects of getting coivid .   Appears he didn’t take it seriously enough . Got it . Didn’t know . And after all these tests found out he got it sometime in the summer .   Maybe now  he can be an advocate for the vaccine . Instead of ignorant dumb@ss 🤦‍♂️😏

Just cause someone does not agree with your views does not make them ignorant or a dumb@ss! Let's leave the politics off the threads to avoid another long debate about it.

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17 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

Just cause someone does not agree with your views does not make them ignorant or a dumb@ss! Let's leave the politics off the threads to avoid another long debate about it.

It’s not politics or a matter of agreeing with my views . He was an anti vaxxer , didn’t believe in it , posted something dumb on his Twitter . Then  he gets coivid . And now he’s out . That’s a dumb@ss IMO . That’s like being taken to the hospital sick as a dog then asking if he can take the vaccine now . When it’s too late . 

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1 hour ago, electron58 said:

I thought Struble brings major toughness in his game.

You are correct Struble in addition to Guhle's physical style. Although fighting is slowly being reduced from the game, it will likely always be there. I can see Xhejac, Struble and Guhle backing down from very few over time, but Xhejac has lower odds of making the jump to the NHL but with prospects, we never know.

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3 minutes ago, arpem-can said:

I need someone to explain to me that if well over 90% of new Covid hospitalizations are people who have not been vaccinated  why would that not be the #1 reason to get the shots ? ...what am I missing here ?... 

You know when you get into an arguement & it goes on so long that you forgot what you were arguing about? But you still don't want to admit defeat so you dig in your heels? That's why.

Its obvious now that for 99.9% of the population the vaccine is the right choice but taking it now, for that 10% that haven't, would be akin to defeat in their minds.  They would rather risk their own health - and more importantly the health of the full vaccinated elderly and immune compromised in their lives rather than admitting they were wrong.

My dad has been in hospital here in BC for nearly 4 weeks with a blood infection.   Had he been in many hospitals in Alberta, he would have been sent home because he had a less than 50% chance of survival & all of their resources are going to covid patients right now.   Daily people are dying in AB because they cant get surgery because the health system is on the brink of collapse.

Explain to me how thats not selfish or ignorant on the antivaxxer's standpoints. 


 

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

You know when you get into an arguement & it goes on so long that you forgot what you were arguing about? But you still don't want to admit defeat so you dig in your heels? That's why.

Its obvious now that for 99.9% of the population the vaccine is the right choice but taking it now, for that 10% that haven't, would be akin to defeat in their minds.  They would rather risk their own health - and more importantly the health of the full vaccinated elderly and immune compromised in their lives rather than admitting they were wrong.

My dad has been in hospital here in BC for nearly 4 weeks with a blood infection.   Had he been in many hospitals in Alberta, he would have been sent home because he had a less than 50% chance of survival & all of their resources are going to covid patients right now.   Daily people are dying in AB because they cant get surgery because the health system is on the brink of collapse.

Explain to me how thats not selfish or ignorant on the antivaxxer's standpoints. 


 

Unfortunately that is happening all the time in the States. People that can't get the care they need because of covid patients that are unvaccinated taking up the needed spaces.

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5 hours ago, maas_art said:

Explain to me how thats not selfish or ignorant on the antivaxxer's standpoints

  A  friend of my who is a psychologist and I were going over this the other day .I asked him his opinion on where the disconnect happens with people who don't see the facts or percentages in making a decision about getting this vaccine . He told me it's all about control . When he's tried to reason with his patients who are anti-vaxxers he said it doesn't even register and they don't  listen . He's had to let them go to find another doctor . What this tells me is there are a lot of people who don't feel they have enough control in their lives and who are  actually willing to risk their health and the health of others to "prove" a moot point  .This goes beyond selfish and ignorant .

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27 minutes ago, arpem-can said:

  A  friend of my who is a psychologist and I were going over this the other day .I asked him his opinion on where the disconnect happens with people who don't see the facts or percentages in making a decision about getting this vaccine . He told me it's all about control . When he's tried to reason with his patients who are anti-vaxxers he said it doesn't even register and they don't  listen . He's had to let them go to find another doctor . What this tells me is there are a lot of people who don't feel they have enough control in their lives and who are  actually willing to risk their health and the health of others to "prove" a moot point  .This goes beyond selfish and ignorant .

Ya know, there's a thread in the Lounge for these comments. It's called "Anything Regarding the Virus Thread". Just so you know. 

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13 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

Ya know, there's a thread in the Lounge for these comments. It's called "Anything Regarding the Virus Thread". Just so you know. 

  this discussion goes back 10 or 12 posts with a few other members contributing as well regarding Josh Archibald's covid status as a storyline under NHL News and Scores  ...sometimes the lines get blurred I guess

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20 hours ago, arpem-can said:

I need someone to explain to me that if well over 90% of new Covid hospitalizations are people who have not been vaccinated  why would that not be the #1 reason to get the shots ? ...what am I missing here ?... 

 

14 hours ago, arpem-can said:

  A  friend of my who is a psychologist and I were going over this the other day .I asked him his opinion on where the disconnect happens with people who don't see the facts or percentages in making a decision about getting this vaccine . He told me it's all about control . When he's tried to reason with his patients who are anti-vaxxers he said it doesn't even register and they don't  listen . He's had to let them go to find another doctor . What this tells me is there are a lot of people who don't feel they have enough control in their lives and who are  actually willing to risk their health and the health of others to "prove" a moot point  .This goes beyond selfish and ignorant .

 

26 minutes ago, arpem-can said:

  this discussion goes back 10 or 12 posts with a few other members contributing as well regarding Josh Archibald's covid status as a storyline under NHL News and Scores  ...sometimes the lines get blurred I guess

This is not hockey related and therefore has no place on this thread. I continually get reminded of this whenever I reply to these types of comments, so here is my chance to remind others.

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You guys are getting better and better at self moderating. Who the hell needs us? I know kinot will be the first to agree.:frech1:

For the record, lines did get blurred a bit with the Archibald reference. Pretty easy to do. Thanks for taking this back on topic.

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

You guys are getting better and better at self moderating. Who the hell needs us? I know kinot will be the first to agree.:frech1:

For the record, lines did get blurred a bit with the Archibald reference. Pretty easy to do. Thanks for taking this back on topic.

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17 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

Ya know, there's a thread in the Lounge for these comments. It's called "Anything Regarding the Virus Thread". Just so you know. 

 

2 hours ago, H_T_L said:

For the record, lines did get blurred a bit with the Archibald reference. Pretty easy to do. Thanks for taking this back on topic.

Yes. This was completely related to a post about a non-habs player.  This is the correct thread.  Yes. It starts to drift off on a tangent but ultimately thats what message boards are about.  There's always going to be some overlap.  This is not like the other times when it was unrelated & someone went off on a diatribe. I understand its difficult to see the differences some times in these instances. 

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