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48 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Regarding the Ristolainen rumors... I do not want Montreal to acquire this player. I know it's a low risk situation since he has only one-year remaining on his current deal, but I'd rather give the ice time to one of our prospects than Ristolainen. He may score some points, but his possession numbers have been bad his entire career and I don't see why that would change coming to Montreal. If we can't find a GOOD option for our D, then just let our prospects have ice time.

Not saying I either agree or disagree in regards to ristolainen, but what prospects? Who do we have at that position that is ready for real ice time?

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53 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Regarding the Ristolainen rumors... I do not want Montreal to acquire this player. I know it's a low risk situation since he has only one-year remaining on his current deal, but I'd rather give the ice time to one of our prospects than Ristolainen. He may score some points, but his possession numbers have been bad his entire career and I don't see why that would change coming to Montreal. If we can't find a GOOD option for our D, then just let our prospects have ice time.

Other than Fleury or Brook, or asking Romanov to keep playing the right hand side (when I think he is better at his natural left), there isn't much depth in our prospect pool on the right side to replace someone of Weber's magnitude. Left D is a totally different story with Norlinder, Struble, Harris and Guhle - the latter can play some right but is likely 2 years of development away. Ristolainen is a polarizing figure for me - yes he has a nasty mean streak to slam people and is big, but I am not certain there is a character fit plus his play on a lousy Sabres team. Winnipeg is desperate for big D. I would rather MB swing for the fences with Dougie Hamilton in F/A, and pay what is likely to be $2-$3M more than Risto. Alternatives Seth Jones on the RD or other 1 year expiries. 

 

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14 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

Really? You wouldn’t cough up a 1st and a 3rd for Beauvillier? I mean, if we had drafted him ourselves in the first place (which we should have) it would have only cost us a 1st, but adding a 3rd to get him now doesn’t seem like a deal breaker to me

That's a fair point

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3 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

Not saying I either agree or disagree in regards to ristolainen, but what prospects? Who do we have at that position that is ready for real ice time?

I would rather let players like Brook, Norlinder, Fleury (assuming he's not going to Seattle), and Leskinen (if re-signed) come to camp and battle for a spot than trade for Ristolainen.

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30 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I would rather let players like Brook, Norlinder, Fleury (assuming he's not going to Seattle), and Leskinen (if re-signed) come to camp and battle for a spot than trade for Ristolainen.

Agree.   You want to sign Dougie Hamilton ? Go for it. That's a clear improvement.  Ristoleinen is a fairly gifted offensive defensman but really bad defensively. He would not fit in well with DD's system imho and would be moved down the lineup as the mistakes mount (and they would).  

If we're going to go with an offense-first, defense later dman Id just stick with Gus, who can be useful as a time-limited PP specialist... and much much cheaper. 

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31 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I would rather let players like Brook, Norlinder, Fleury (assuming he's not going to Seattle), and Leskinen (if re-signed) come to camp and battle for a spot than trade for Ristolainen.

I wouldn’t have an issue with Brook or Fleury battle for a spot either. Just not so sure about two spots. As of right now down the right we have Petry and two open spots, would be wise to fill at least one of those with an experienced player

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1 hour ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I would rather let players like Brook, Norlinder, Fleury (assuming he's not going to Seattle), and Leskinen (if re-signed) come to camp and battle for a spot than trade for Ristolainen.

Fleury gone. Leskinen gone.

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You can make an argument for not upgrading the left side of the D next year. You have Chiarot, Edmundson, and Kulak and Romanov and that's probably fine to buy you a bit of time until one of Harris or Norlinder or Struble or Guhle is ready to join the crew. You'd have to think Chiarot and Kulak might be gone after next year, so that leaves some room for the youngsters to step in. On the right side, however, there's nothing there. Literally it's Petry and maybe Brook and a bunch of guys playing out of position. There's a need for instant help AND to boot, if you're going to be using those other guys on the left, the guy or guys you find for the right side better be darn good skaters and puck movers. There is a clear need for someone like Hamilton, and if it's not him, then you'd better be working the phone lines to find out about Seth Jones or Dumba or someone else of that ilk.

The problem we're going to run into is that at this time of the year, everyone wants to improve their roster. No one's really dealing for futures unless it's a trade for a 1st rounder at the draft. And with Weber, Danault, Tatar, Armia, and Drouin all potentially leaving for nothing, we're not left with a lot of NHL-ready trade chips. Who are we dealing to get help on D that's good enough to be a top 2-3 D man? It almost gets to the point that it needs to be Price, Gallagher, Kotkaniemi, Anderson, Chiarot, or so on that you're moving out. Bean and Dunn were two great options to fill out our D corps, but the ship has really sailed on getting those guys while teams were scrambling to not lose guys in the ED. That baot has sailed, and now it becomes a lot harder to fill out your roster without giving up other key assets. That's why Hamilton now becomes a much more important target. We'd be longshots to get him, but that's a must-try IMO.

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7 hours ago, maas_art said:

Agree.   You want to sign Dougie Hamilton ? Go for it. That's a clear improvement.  Ristoleinen is a fairly gifted offensive defensman but really bad defensively. He would not fit in well with DD's system imho and would be moved down the lineup as the mistakes mount (and they would).  

If we're going to go with an offense-first, defense later dman Id just stick with Gus, who can be useful as a time-limited PP specialist... and much much cheaper. 

Devils advocate .... if Weber is out and all we can get is Ristoleinen then

Chiarot - Petry

Edmundson - Risto

Romanov - Kulak/Brook 

Might actually work, but Hamilton as a UFA and no assets is better

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1 hour ago, 26NCounting said:

Apparently Philly sending Shane Ghotisphere(SP) a 2nd and 7th to Arizona for NO return.  Man this would have been a decent deal for MB to make, shore up the hole left by Webber and get more picks in the process

That makes absolutely NO SENSE. 

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1 hour ago, 26NCounting said:

Apparently Philly sending Shane Ghotisphere(SP) a 2nd and 7th to Arizona for NO return.  Man this would have been a decent deal for MB to make, shore up the hole left by Webber and get more picks in the process

For $4.5m of cap room. I wonder if Cam York leaves Michigan to jump to the LD side of their defense? Any way I cut it, Philly is an aging team without a lot of assets to improve. Man would I like couturier in our line up 

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As the NHL lifted its roster freeze this afternoon, the Flyers had a trade to make official. After a bit of confusion surrounding which team would be sending draft picks, the trade became clear: Shayne Gostisbehere, a second-round pick, and a seventh-round pick to the Arizona Coyotes for no return.

 

I am not a Ghost fan at all, even though lots of posters liked him. But i would have done this deal. 

 

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2 minutes ago, caperns61 said:

As the NHL lifted its roster freeze this afternoon, the Flyers had a trade to make official. After a bit of confusion surrounding which team would be sending draft picks, the trade became clear: Shayne Gostisbehere, a second-round pick, and a seventh-round pick to the Arizona Coyotes for no return.

 

I am not a Ghost fan at all, even though lots of posters liked him. But i would have done this deal. 

 

yeah I'm not a big fan either but it might have been worth it. I think you have to judge this later though, depending what happens in free agency. I'm really praying Hamilton and a few other forward are willing to sign here. 

I'm happy Drouin is back, I think he'll help the team

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9 minutes ago, habsisme said:

yeah I'm not a big fan either but it might have been worth it. I think you have to judge this later though, depending what happens in free agency. I'm really praying Hamilton and a few other forward are willing to sign here. 

I'm happy Drouin is back, I think he'll help the team

I liked Drouin effort this past season, even though he was not scoring he was still getting points.  Ducharme used him in every situation back in Junior may just be the coach to point him in the right direct.  Mentally i hope this time off helped him.

If we could add Hamilton...that would be huge for this team.

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27 minutes ago, caperns61 said:

As the NHL lifted its roster freeze this afternoon, the Flyers had a trade to make official. After a bit of confusion surrounding which team would be sending draft picks, the trade became clear: Shayne Gostisbehere, a second-round pick, and a seventh-round pick to the Arizona Coyotes for no return

 

Not that it really makes much difference but it is for "future considerations" which probably means nothing anyway but i believe the CBA does not allow for assets going one way & nothing coming back the other way - so the magical "futures" which is basically zilch most of the time.  Im surprised they had to ADD assets in order to dump him though. Crazy.   28 year old defensman with 219 points in 381 games. He's got less value than Gus did! 

Interestingly the flyers said that the price they had to pay to Arizona was much less than what Seattle wanted. 

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Dave Pagnotta of the fourth period says lots of teams in on Hamilton and that Montreal is one of the teams interested. Again not to say he'll want to come here, but I think we have the space to win a bidding war if we wanted to and the fact MB has checked in on Hamilton and Ristolainen at least suggests he understands the need for an offensive puck-moving D man on the right side. The PP has been brutal for a while and the transition game needs help, and Hamilton is obviously the best of what's out there. IMO he's probably a top 15 D man in the league right now, so even if we had to go to 8M AAV, he's likely worth it if you can keep it to 6 years or under.

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1 minute ago, BigTed3 said:

Dave Pagnotta of the fourth period says lots of teams in on Hamilton and that Montreal is one of the teams interested. Again not to say he'll want to come here, but I think we have the space to win a bidding war if we wanted to and the fact MB has checked in on Hamilton and Ristolainen at least suggests he understands the need for an offensive puck-moving D man on the right side. The PP has been brutal for a while and the transition game needs help, and Hamilton is obviously the best of what's out there. IMO he's probably a top 15 D man in the league right now, so even if we had to go to 8M AAV, he's likely worth it if you can keep it to 6 years or under.

I think we have to go a lot higher if we want a chance at Hamilton. Pietrangelo signed for 8.8 at 7 years. I think we should be offering 9 million at 7 years if we're to have any chance at him. I'm praying we get him but I'm not optimistic

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8 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I think we have to go a lot higher if we want a chance at Hamilton. Pietrangelo signed for 8.8 at 7 years. I think we should be offering 9 million at 7 years if we're to have any chance at him. I'm praying we get him but I'm not optimistic

Quite possible. Also depends what else is out there trade-wise.

Again, I don't think we'll be high on Hamilton's wish list even if he's a great fit from our end of things but worth a try. Past him, my list of guys I think MB will target:

- Brandon Saad

- Matthieu Perreault

- Nik Hjalmarsson

- David Savard

- Alec Martinez

- Erik Haula

- Mikael Granlund

- Casey Cizikas

- Brandon Sutter

- Jason Demers

- Jake McCabe if healthy

 

He's likely going to need to add two D men and at least one bottom 6 center. I think he'll tinker a lot with his 4th line in general. The question is whether he can find an impact top 6 forward to replace Tatar/Danault and whether he can find a PMD instead of just scrubs to fill out the defence.

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48 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Quite possible. Also depends what else is out there trade-wise.

Again, I don't think we'll be high on Hamilton's wish list even if he's a great fit from our end of things but worth a try. Past him, my list of guys I think MB will target:

- Brandon Saad

- Matthieu Perreault

- Nik Hjalmarsson

- David Savard

- Alec Martinez

- Erik Haula

- Mikael Granlund

- Casey Cizikas

- Brandon Sutter

- Jason Demers

- Jake McCabe if healthy

 

He's likely going to need to add two D men and at least one bottom 6 center. I think he'll tinker a lot with his 4th line in general. The question is whether he can find an impact top 6 forward to replace Tatar/Danault and whether he can find a PMD instead of just scrubs to fill out the defence.

He kind of got the top 6 forward by getting Drouin back lol but yeah we will need to get those 20-25 goals Tater used to provide on top of what we will now get from CC as for Dano I really think we will start the year with Evans and if he can't get it done we may make a move during the season. in the playoffs our biggest issue was not being able to score that was partly due to a lack of talent up front and not enough transition from our D after Petry got hurt so we really need a top tier puck mover on D and a top 6 goal scorer if we can get another center that would be great as well. Zuke is a young veteran now CC  looks good to go and Anderson on that line was great! add in Gally in better shape Drouin and hopefully KK playing at the next level and we are ok but it would not hurt my feelings if Eichel took his spot in some kind of trade! Evans should be fine as the third line center and if Poehling can start the year with Armia and Perry he would learn a ton! as for D MB knows he is going to have to shoot for the moon to get someone to fill Webber's minutes! it is not going to be easy or cheap!

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3 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Dave Pagnotta of the fourth period says lots of teams in on Hamilton and that Montreal is one of the teams interested. Again not to say he'll want to come here, but I think we have the space to win a bidding war if we wanted to and the fact MB has checked in on Hamilton and Ristolainen at least suggests he understands the need for an offensive puck-moving D man on the right side. The PP has been brutal for a while and the transition game needs help, and Hamilton is obviously the best of what's out there. IMO he's probably a top 15 D man in the league right now, so even if we had to go to 8M AAV, he's likely worth it if you can keep it to 6 years or under.

 

3 hours ago, habsisme said:

I think we have to go a lot higher if we want a chance at Hamilton. Pietrangelo signed for 8.8 at 7 years. I think we should be offering 9 million at 7 years if we're to have any chance at him. I'm praying we get him but I'm not optimistic

Id definitely go up to $9m for Hamilton. I know its probably overpayment but he's probably the only guy (thats available and that wont cost assets) that will immediately make our defense better.  Its not just a question of adding another good player along with Petry. In Hamilton you're adding a better player than Petry and he's younger. He's also a great compliment to the LHD we already have (edmundson, chiarot and romanov) who should all look better next to him than they did next to an injured and aging Weber. 
 

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7 hours ago, maas_art said:

 

Id definitely go up to $9m for Hamilton. I know its probably overpayment but he's probably the only guy (thats available and that wont cost assets) that will immediately make our defense better.  Its not just a question of adding another good player along with Petry. In Hamilton you're adding a better player than Petry and he's younger. He's also a great compliment to the LHD we already have (edmundson, chiarot and romanov) who should all look better next to him than they did next to an injured and aging Weber. 
 

Personally I would avoid Hamilton all together, there is a reason a player as talented as him is on his what 4th team in such a short career.  Would probably be cheaper to go after a Suter type player yes older but way cheaper

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31 minutes ago, 26NCounting said:

Personally I would avoid Hamilton all together, there is a reason a player as talented as him is on his what 4th team in such a short career.  Would probably be cheaper to go after a Suter type player yes older but way cheaper

You may be right. But he is one of the best offensive deeman in the game with really good size....But do we need to to tie of 9 million for 6 or 7 years.

After some thought i would be more inclined to go hard after David Savard. Big Physical Player in the Mold of Weber. He was nasty on our forwards in the playoffs. French :)..

4 - 5 million 4 or 5 years.......

Try a 2 for 1 with Suter and Parise. They seem like friends. Chance to play in a hockey hotbed for one season. Here split 5 million for 1 year. :)

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