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  1. Long time, no post. Feels bad but by far most likely outcome was to move down and instead the Habs actually move up. Not half bad. Also wouldn't be stunned if the Habs took Kotkaniemi who's been moving up draft boards some have him as high at 5. Either way, it was a positive night. At this point it feels like whichever teenager we draft is more relevant to Bergevin's successor but who knows.
  2. I don't buy it, they didn't have to have a players vote. There was none with Gionta, they could have just named Max captain instead of having a fake vote that was in and of its self unnecessary. Subban seemed to generally rub enough guys the wrong way, for whatever reason, that it's pretty logical he'd lose. I just can't see why they'd waste their time holding a vote and then trying to push or manipulate players into voting for the guy they want (but didn't want to outright name). So if they did that and Subban won, then what? Hide the results and pretend Max won? If the players felt Subban was their leader, I don't think they'd have cared what Therrien said and voted him anyway. In fact, if they felt Subban was their leader, Therrien saying the things he did about Subban would have probably pissed them off. I can see why Subban would be an annoying dude sometimes, especially in a losing year. He has no off switch, it's endearing and it's why I (we) loved him, but in a year like 15-16 when EVERYTHING is going wrong to have a guy be that over the top and energetic, I could see it wearing on some of the guys who are having a harder time with all the losing. Subban is more geared for fan love and leading by example in a big game and Pacioretty is more geared to be respected by those in the hockey world, including the players in the room. I don't think they needed to fudge the numbers, it's a VERY unsurprising result. You can argue what it says about hockey culture, but it's totally unsurprising. As for player vote or not, meh, it's not exactly a huge responsibility and the C doesn't change anything. Org can do what they want with the C at the end of the day, they could strip Pacioretty tomorrow if it makes things better. They don't need to have a vote, they don't need to have a captain, completely at their discretion. Sidenote: Pacioretty looks awwwwwwwful. Maybe put him back with Danault.
  3. Right now I can't definitively say Drouin is better than Shaw at C. As for Galchenyuk, if they do move Drouin off C, which I would strongly consider, I doubt it's Galchenyuk going back there. Whether we agree or not, Julien didn't like what he saw last time Galchenyuk was there and 8 points in 23 games on the wing isn't going to change his mind. Galchenyuk is going to have to produce where he's at before we see him top 6 C again. I'd move Drouin back to wing soon-ish though. It's not going to work so better off letting him find his groove on the wing and just accepting we have no Cs and rebuilding the C and D over the next 2-3 years. This core is not going to work. Last year was the final real kick at the can and we added Ott, Martinsen and King at the deadline.
  4. Galchenyuk with an awful defensive play and then Gallagher with an ozone penalty, lots of guys will be sitting I suppose. Maybe we need more DLR
  5. Just catching up, awful defense from Drouin and especially Galchenyuk there, that line needs someone other than Byron maybe who isn't necessarily great defensively himself. I can't believe that Weber shot and lol Pleks is actually killing it tonight.
  6. I agree but obviously Julien feels if completely overexposed, Galchenyuk will give us 2-3 more often than 3-2. Whether he's right or not is an interesting debate. As for Plekanec - Byron, completely agree. I think it's nuts. I could somewhat live with Danault - Pacioretty, at least they've won a bunch of games together the last 2 years and Pacioretty scores a lot but Drouin feels made for 3 on 3 and Galchenyuk has always thrived in extra space. My theory is, you're going to give up chances 3 on 3 and get chances regardless almost of who's on the ice, so put the guys on who have the best chance of cashing their chance and ending the game first. I would guess the logic is hold them the first shift while they use their best player and try and use ours to get it in shifts 2-3? I don't know. It's hard to grasp either way. Either Julien thinks Byron and Plekanec are our best 3 on 3 players, or he has such little faith in our best skill players that he can't go shot for shot with them in a 3 on 3? I reallllllllly don't get it.
  7. Also, the wordy replies may seem like we completely disagree but I think we're 95% on the same page here.
  8. Yes, I think productive players deserve more leeway than grinders, of course. I was more talking about for coaches there's a threshold of mistakes/positive players and when you fall below that threshold, you play less (depending on the type of error). We can argue about whether or not it's fair, I suppose. I completely understand confirmation bias but if that's the case with Galchenyuk, there's a lot of people who are somewhat blinded by it. I mean, Julien came in here with an attitude of putting Galchenyuk right up on line 1 and at C. I'm not sure he came in here thinking "oh he's too mistake prone". I was honestly more inclined to believe it was 90% coaching error when it was only Therrien, when the u-23 team didn't take him after his career year it gave me some pause but also attributable to usage I suppose (even though he played a big role the prior year) but when Julien started, it gave me more pause. I don't put it all on Galchenyuk at all. Also though, there's different types of mistakes, there's mistakes Galchenyuk makes when he's trying to make things happen and make plays. Certainly, that's annoying. He goes through the middle of the ice too much with passes and doesn't use his wicked shot enough but I would say you easily live with it. When it works, good things happen. That pass he made to Weber to set up the Byron goal Tuesday was by all accounts, a pretty dumb pass. A cross ice pass, through a congested middle with the DMan streaking the zone. If that gets turned around, it's an A1 rush against but it worked and we scored and he made it in a time we NEEDED a goal. No issue, eve if he turned it over, no issue. I'm not talking about the mistakes he makes like that though, or trying to make a nice play to gain the zone. The play he made on the 1st goal was awful, had a chance to get the puck out in transition, it bounced off his stick for a turnover and then he took an AWFUL route to shut off the point shot and we got scored on. There's no potential positive play there, it's a relatively little looking thing when watching on TV (unless it's a goal against) but I'm sure it drives the coaching staff nuts. The Athletic did a good piece about a few plays he made last game, the good and the really ugly of both and I'd link to it but it's a pay site, so if you're a member go look it up. But that is more the issue with him, not turning it over trying to make a play but being CONSTANTLY completely lost in the dzone. No upside there. So, be risky offensively, be risky with the puck but at least look like you have a SLIGHT idea in coverage. It's why I guess even though I'd probably put him there since we're kind of doomed either way, I understand why a coach would want him no where near C. It seems like a good idea, Julien came in here and probably thought Therrien was nuts and how long did that last? Pacioretty is pretty bad defensively, at times he's dumb but mostly he looks at least like he has a general idea of where he should be, even when going through the motions. He can be frustrating, he's also a hell of a lot more productive than Galchenyuk and he's not as lost defensively. There are times the coaching staff probably could send him a firm message and I'm sure if it ever reached the point of him flat out not listening, they would. For as much as it's 2 coaches who have had problems with Galchenyuk, it's two different voices who have loved guys like Pacioretty, Lehkonen. Although, I'll say this, if I were Drouin, I'd be worried. He looks lost a lot, starting to wonder if he's not as lost as Galchenyuk defensively at C. I don't know how long they'll give him but, jeeze. He's fantastic though, he's got elements Galchenyuk doesn't have offensively that make him better suited to C than Galchenyuk, theory. Quicker, better hands, better passer. Not that Galchenyuk has bad hands/passing but Drouin is better. Also on Galchenyuk, he should thrive on the wing in a shooting/trigger role. I don't see why he's not producing more. TLDR: He shouldn't be punished for trying to make plays, I agree but I think the bigger issue is when he's just blindly circling around the Dzone without the puck, looking like he doesn't have even the slightest guess of where he needs to be.
  9. lol, not only that but he rushed so hard to do it that he didn't have money left over to work both Radulov and Markov in, 2 key skilled players. First priority, sign those guys at a fair contract and from there, whatever you have left, find a bargain defensive D-man (if you really feel the need to acquire one). By rushing the market, he totally blew it.
  10. I know a lot of hot streaks are associated with higher SH%, that was my point. Everything about Galchenyuk's stretches suggest hot streak, not sustainability. I don't think he's even shown anything that makes me believe he could be a PPG player, despite him having played at that clip for 2 separate 20 game stretches. As for Galchenyuk shooting a higher % of his shots from high danger than Pacioretty, it's true but maybe not quite as drastic as you'd guess. Either way though, you just use their career SH% as a baseline. Pacioretty 11% and Galchenyuk 13%. Galchenyuk, regardless of where he shoots from isn't a 20-21% shooter and definitely not a 30% shooter, no one is. I don't believe his being a 30 goal, 60 point player is a bad thing either. I've said he's a good player, he tends to be IMO overrated and underrated with very little middle ground. He's a very good offensive, bad defensive player who's a net positive and can be fun to watch (although can also be physically painful to watch). As for trying him at C, I would especially if we fall out of it but I also can see why a coach wouldn't. He's one of those players, man, it's hard. Fans like him, advanced stats are pretty good on him but he just does stupid things that coaches won't live with. Flat out. There's a few different kinds of mistakes, some coaches will live with and some they won't. He makes easily fixable, repeatable mistakes. I don't necessarily think it's right to not just give in and put him there but I can empathize, I suppose. There was a lot of "It's all Therrien" and I was there too and as soon as Julien took over, first thing he did was move Galchenyuk back to C and I was reasonably excited and he played himself (in Julien's eyes) from 1st line C to 4th line LW insanely fast. I'm not trying to appeal to authority but some of this is on him. He's doing things coaches VERY clearly don't want him doing and seemingly having a hard time learning. I don't think it'll make a massive difference if he's at C production wise. He might be a bit better offensively, his awful defense becomes more of an issue to offset that though. I built that into him being potentially a 30-60 guy. I don't think he's going to outdo that but I'd love to be surprised. I think, I guess it's easy for teams to talk or leak things and who knows where that came from, I obviously trust those guys but I'll say this, I truly believe Galchenyuk was very available for even a decent offer this summer and Bergevin had every intention to move him. If those teams truly bought him as a legitimately top end C, they could have had him if they were willing to pay for him at anything near what a guy like that would go for. Yes he spent time on the 4th line but there's a chicken and the egg element. Hudon has played minutes less per game, has had worse linemates on the whole and has 4 even strength points and more shots. Galchenyuk is supposed to be a lot better. Part of it is some bad luck but, I guess my point was more that we all want these things for him and root for him but he has to do his part. He's on a good line now, they're playing pretty well (he's been better than Drouin who's been underwhelming the last little bit) but he's going to have to generate points 5 on 5 and create more if he's going to get the kinds of chances we're talking about. I think if you put Pacioretty in that role, he'd generate enough to move himself out of it. For all his warts, Pacioretty is very consistent in generating his own shots/goals, regardless of linemates. No one expects a guy in a limited role to produce relative to a 1st liner but 3 ES points in 19 games with what? 7-8 games on a line with Drouin isn't going to get him a promotion. I like Galchenyuk, think he's a good player, think at times he's gotten some bad breaks and coaches have been hard on him but there's also a large element of some of this is on him, maybe even a lot. Therrien had issues with him, the u-23 WCOH team didn't even want him as an injury replacement coming off his career year and then Julien immediately had the same problems with him. When he was made available no one has ponied up a fair amount. I don't know. I like him, I think he's good but I just don't buy the whole, it's all the world against him and he bares no responsibility for it. He's a good player, in year 6 I think that's all he'll be. Good. He's on a good contract, we need his skill. Hope it works with Drouin because both need to be better than they have been or we're totally screwed.
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