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Which of the following do you think will be with the Habs the longest?  

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  1. 1. Which of the following do you think will be with the Habs the longest?



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33 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

We'd certainly have to eat some of it if we could move him, and MB won't admit that he made that kind of mistake. 

 

How was Weber/PK trade a mistake? Stats of both are identical. I don't see PK or Preds burning up NHL.

I can't believe fans are still whining about it. Because PK donates $$ to hospital.

 

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25 minutes ago, maas_art said:

True.  Houle + Tremblay is still worse than MB + Carbo.... but not by as wide a margin as I think most of us once thought...

The way alot of fans are still going about PK trade like it's as bad as Roy trade. Not even close. MB is worst then Houle imo.

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38 minutes ago, fivethej said:

The way alot of fans are still going about PK trade like it's as bad as Roy trade. Not even close. MB is worst then Houle imo.

The roy deal wasnt the only abysmal deal of the Houle era though.  

As well as dealing PR,  Houle gave away Turgeon at the height of his career for two muckers was worse (plus he threw in two very serviceable players) 

Then, when he started to dismantle his team for a rebuild (Trades away Damphousse for picks, Recchi for prospects and picks, he does a full 180 and gives away our 1st round pick (10th overall) for Trevor Linden.  

Houle had zero clue about how to build a team.   Bergevin, conversely, seems to know how to build a team. Unfortunately its a team that is built for the NHL 12 - 15 years ago. 

 

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42 minutes ago, fivethej said:

The way alot of fans are still going about PK trade like it's as bad as Roy trade. Not even close. MB is worst then Houle imo.

IMO every year that goes by its gonna get worse and worse. I think by the 3rd or 4th year of this you might change your opinion

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3 minutes ago, maas_art said:

The roy deal wasnt the only abysmal deal of the Houle era though.  

As well as dealing PR,  Houle gave away Turgeon at the height of his career for two muckers was worse (plus he threw in two very serviceable players) 

Then, when he started to dismantle his team for a rebuild (Trades away Damphousse for picks, Recchi for prospects and picks, he does a full 180 and gives away our 1st round pick (10th overall) for Trevor Linden.  

Houle had zero clue about how to build a team.   Bergevin, conversely, seems to know how to build a team. Unfortunately its a team that is built for the NHL 12 - 15 years ago. 

 

Bergevin knows how to build a team haha. Acquiring 3rd/4th liners, goons, d-man that suck (for someone who prides themselves on D), dumpster discount garbage. Drafting has been totally pathetic. One good young player they had was dealt away for Drouin, who has been a total bust. Bergevin was touting Drouin as mega superstar. Just think Habs could had Top 3 d pairing of Weber, Markov, Sergachev. He hasn't made a big trade except for PK/Weber and that was only because Preds approached him. 6+ yrs he's had to address the scoring woes but has failed to do instead offering up all sorts of excuses "It's all on me" "it's so hard to make a big trade" (this is laughable considering other teams are able to do it. If it's so hard then he shouldn't be GM), "we have everything we need in locker room", "we didn't win the division by accident. These things take time" - Really? 6+ yrs isn't enough time. Last but not least hiding before a plant.

Look at his failed signings:

Briere

Semin

Shaw

Alzner

Hemsky

Streit

Price - No goalie no matter how good they are isn't worth $10.5M per. Trade him and use the $$ elsewhere such as addressing scoring and D. Think back to that contract Vancouver gave Luongo. Even Luongo admitted himself contact he signed "sucked". Price is injury prone altho I don't believe he was injured again this time. Something more is going on. It's been kept real quiet. I'll believe independent reporter before believe any of these so-called reporters from mainstream media who are bought, owned and paid for. Bergevin has created 3 ring circus. Habs are laughing stock of NHL. How Molson has allowed this continue on for 6+ yrs is amazing.  

Not re-signing Radulov was epic failure considering scoring woes. 

Bringing back Therrien was another failure. He didn't work 1st time here and he failed with Pens despite having stacked roster. What is it with Habs and bringing back retreads (GM's, Coaches,  Players) who didn't work 1st time. Bergevin is so arrogant for someone who hasn't won a thing in NHL. 

Larry Robinson wanted to return to Habs but Bergevin had no interest or class instead hiring his pal JJ Daigneault along with all his other friends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, jeff33 said:

IMO every year that goes by its gonna get worse and worse. I think by the 3rd or 4th year of this you might change your opinion

No, I won't. PK was loose cannon - Taking such stupid penalties, turning over puck leading to goals and showboating. His supposed big shot never usually hit the net. I'll take Weber any day over PK.

Don't see PK or Preds burning up the league.

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32 minutes ago, fivethej said:

No, I won't. PK was loose cannon - Taking such stupid penalties, turning over puck leading to goals and showboating. His supposed big shot never usually hit the net. I'll take Weber any day over PK.

Don't see PK or Preds burning up the league.

...did you miss last years playoffs?

anyway weber is getting older and less effective every day.  within the next 2-3 seasons hes gonna be almost a complete non factor.

now hes got a wonky hip or something.... albatross contract. bad.

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5 minutes ago, jeff33 said:

...did you miss last years playoffs?

anyway weber is getting older and less effective every day.  within the next 2-3 seasons hes gonna be almost a complete non factor.

now hes got a wonky hip or something.... albatross contract. bad.

PK wasn't much of factor in Preds playoff run. Everyone cries if he was still here how things would be different. Habs are still playing the same exact way now as they were when he was with Habs. Nothing would be any different at all.

Don't get the appeal of PK to fanbase. Guess it's because he's young and hip.

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53 minutes ago, fivethej said:

PK wasn't much of factor in Preds playoff run. Everyone cries if he was still here how things would be different. Habs are still playing the same exact way now as they were when he was with Habs. Nothing would be any different at all.

Don't get the appeal of PK to fanbase. Guess it's because he's young and hip.

Not sure how you ca say PK wasn't a factor, He put up 12 points in 22 games, which is decent for a defenceman and in line with what the other members of Nashville's top 4 did. He and Ekholm were also played as the shutdown duo a lot of the time and were frequently the pairing called upon to play late in the game with slim leads. Subban had the best Corsi on the team among defencemen and the second best expected goals for % behind only Yannick Weber. He was literally a beast in the playoffs. Maybe he wasn't going for the spectacular play but he was extremely sound and reliable and extremely consistent the entire playoffs. Nashville certainly had a lot of other players perform well, but PK was a key member of that team, just as he was a key part of our playoff success when he was here, definitely moreso than Weber was with either team.

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14 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Not sure how you ca say PK wasn't a factor, He put up 12 points in 22 games, which is decent for a defenceman and in line with what the other members of Nashville's top 4 did. He and Ekholm were also played as the shutdown duo a lot of the time and were frequently the pairing called upon to play late in the game with slim leads. Subban had the best Corsi on the team among defencemen and the second best expected goals for % behind only Yannick Weber. He was literally a beast in the playoffs. Maybe he wasn't going for the spectacular play but he was extremely sound and reliable and extremely consistent the entire playoffs. Nashville certainly had a lot of other players perform well, but PK was a key member of that team, just as he was a key part of our playoff success when he was here, definitely moreso than Weber was with either team.

above plus 200%, Subban simply makes everyone around him better, just because they may have similar points, does not make them equal,  Subban is a far  superior player in almost every facet of the game, at leat anything that matters in the game today, skating, vison, puck possession, you name it he is just simply way ahead of Weber.........

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Not sure how you ca say PK wasn't a factor, He put up 12 points in 22 games, which is decent for a defenceman and in line with what the other members of Nashville's top 4 did. He and Ekholm were also played as the shutdown duo a lot of the time and were frequently the pairing called upon to play late in the game with slim leads. Subban had the best Corsi on the team among defencemen and the second best expected goals for % behind only Yannick Weber. He was literally a beast in the playoffs. Maybe he wasn't going for the spectacular play but he was extremely sound and reliable and extremely consistent the entire playoffs. Nashville certainly had a lot of other players perform well, but PK was a key member of that team, just as he was a key part of our playoff success when he was here, definitely moreso than Weber was with either team.

 

46 minutes ago, Ravadak said:

above plus 200%, Subban simply makes everyone around him better, just because they may have similar points, does not make them equal,  Subban is a far  superior player in almost every facet of the game, at leat anything that matters in the game today, skating, vison, puck possession, you name it he is just simply way ahead of Weber.........

If PK is superior as you say then why did Canada play him as 6th D-man at Sochi Olympics for all of 5:00? They had no faith in him or willing to take the risk.

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33 minutes ago, fivethej said:

 

If PK is superior as you say then why did Canada play him as 6th D-man at Sochi Olympics for all of 5:00? They had no faith in him or willing to take the risk.

I can't really control how well someone is liked or not liked. Bergevin and Therrien did their utmost to bash Subban as often as they could and did nothing to support his candidature for Team Canada. I think that had as much to do with Subban being neglected in Team Canada's personnel evaluations as anything, and remember that Bergevin himself was part of the selection committee. Bergevin earmarked him as a risky player, even though the stats suggest the exact opposite. The old-school mentality doesn't look favorably on flashy but skilled players like Subban, and he paid the price for it. But if you look at metrics that measure a player's impact on the game, Subban is a significantly more valuable player than Weber. Team Canada went a different route, and they managed to win anyways because of how deeply talented the roster was. But if anyone honestly believes Dan Hamhuis deserved more ice time than Subban, then I guess everything Team Canada did was to be believed as Gospel.

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