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36 minutes ago, maas_art said:

 

 

yeah im not convinced Tatar will be looking for a raise. First, there's a flat cap as mentioned, but also remember he was a "throw in/salary dump" in a trade because he did so poorly in Vegas. He has said a few times in interviews he was devastated at how quickly things went south.  I could see him taking an offer from MB if its even close to what he is making now. I am not sure about term. That could be the stumbling block.  I think he'll take a discount to stay. 

Agreed. I think in the current climate, he'd be happy to get 5M a year. We might get him for cheaper. He might also want a 1-year flyer to see how the market evolves, but that could work for us too. Anything 3 years or less makes sense for us. That said, I think he could have a couple of other options that interest him... I could see him considering going back to Detroit, where he also had success and where he'd probably get loads of icetime. I could see him going somewhere like Pittsburgh or Edmonton where they have great centers but aren't so deep at wing and where he'd get a chance to take a one-year deal and pile up points. And I could see him going to Florida or Anaheim or San Jose or LA. If you follow him on social media, he seems to spend a lot of time tanning on the beach, so maybe a warm climate would be of interest to him. I guess it just depends what factor is the major driving interest for him. As you said, sticking in Montreal, especially if he can keep playing with Danault-Gallagher, has to be one factor for him. I don't think MB has any interest in over-paying. I think MB doesn't have the cap room and won't jeopardize his cap to sign a supporting player like Tatar. So I imagine MB will be giving him a take-it-or-leave-it offer... here's 2 or 3 years at 4.5M , if you don't like it go see what someone else will pay you. But I also doubt MB trades him this year when he sees the Habs as being a Cup contender )even though they're a longshot).

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Agreed. I think in the current climate, he'd be happy to get 5M a year. We might get him for cheaper. He might also want a 1-year flyer to see how the market evolves, but that could work for us too. Anything 3 years or less makes sense for us. That said, I think he could have a couple of other options that interest him... I could see him considering going back to Detroit, where he also had success and where he'd probably get loads of icetime. I could see him going somewhere like Pittsburgh or Edmonton where they have great centers but aren't so deep at wing and where he'd get a chance to take a one-year deal and pile up points. And I could see him going to Florida or Anaheim or San Jose or LA. If you follow him on social media, he seems to spend a lot of time tanning on the beach, so maybe a warm climate would be of interest to him. I guess it just depends what factor is the major driving interest for him. As you said, sticking in Montreal, especially if he can keep playing with Danault-Gallagher, has to be one factor for him. I don't think MB has any interest in over-paying. I think MB doesn't have the cap room and won't jeopardize his cap to sign a supporting player like Tatar. So I imagine MB will be giving him a take-it-or-leave-it offer... here's 2 or 3 years at 4.5M , if you don't like it go see what someone else will pay you. But I also doubt MB trades him this year when he sees the Habs as being a Cup contender )even though they're a longshot).

I kind of wonder how Tuna would do with a better center upgrade over Danault who I believe is a real long shot to be resigned. If Tatar is unlikely to play with Suzuki or KK because Drouin and Toffoli likely have those left wing spots - does he have much value/worth to a 3 year term and even discounted $4M. Would he bet on himself with a 1 year term in this scenario (I wouldn't as he's not being set up for success). Tuna becomes complimentary if we can acquire a half decent center for the third line and IMO there is not anything in the free agent center pool. Poehling has improved and may compete for 3rd line / 4th line centre with Evans, but at this stage I don't see them as catalysts to feed Tatar's offensive skills. Now if you say Tatar will likely be paired with Caufield or Ylonen then there's winger upside scoring but they still need a creative centre. 

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On 4/7/2021 at 4:07 PM, BigTed3 said:

 

Not saying this will happen, but I think what Latendresse is saying is let's say you can

1. Re-sign Tatar for 3 years at 4.25M a year (i.e less than Drouin is making)

2. Trade Drouin for someone like Travis Sanheim

His point is that you're better off having Sanheim/Tatar next year than letting Tatar walk for nothing and having Drouin and still using Chiarot/Edmundson/Kulak down the left side.

I'd be ecstatic with that.

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58 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

RDS speculating that MB might be targeting one of NJ"s 3 UFA defensemen Ryan Murray, Sami Vatanen and Dmitry Kulikov.

If we HAD to choose, I would probably take Ryan Murray.  But my preference would be to swing for the fence and trade Drouin, a 2nd or 2 & a prospect or 2 for a bona-fide upgrade.  Otherwise,  it's just excess D.

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2 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Elliotte Friedman says Bergevin was trying to get Getzlaf from Anaheim... because we need more 35+ year-old players so we can dominate the 2010 playoffs?

I know! if this was 2010 we'd be cup champs for sure

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On 4/7/2021 at 9:52 AM, tony5775 said:

I think we should find out what Rejean Houle would do first before we pull the trigger on this one. 

Don't bring up that name. He was the curse of the Habs.

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3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Elliotte Friedman says Bergevin was trying to get Getzlaf from Anaheim... because we need more 35+ year-old players so we can dominate the 2010 playoffs?

Bergevin 's delusional.

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11 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Elliotte Friedman says Bergevin was trying to get Getzlaf from Anaheim... because we need more 35+ year-old players so we can dominate the 2010 playoffs?

Depends on when. If this was something he was trying before Staal, that’s a different story. I too would have preferred Getzlaf over Staal, and would have generally approved of the acquisition. If he tried for Getzlaf after already acquiring Staal, I don’t know what he was thinking...

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

Apparently we were close to a deal acquiring Tony DeAngelo according to Dreger from TSN

That I find hard to believe . 

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36 minutes ago, electron58 said:

I would have taken him. What happened?

 

11 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

That I find hard to believe . 

 

Rangers wanted him to agree to nullify his contract so he could sign a deal with us but he refused, so it forces the Rangers to buy him out later on. I guess he makes more money that way. So he chose to sit.

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

Rangers wanted him to agree to nullify his contract so he could sign a deal with us but he refused, so it forces the Rangers to buy him out later on. I guess he makes more money that way. So he chose to sit.

I dont blame him.  He sounds like a piece of work but a contract is a contract.   No reason the NYR should be allowed to get out from under it.   They chose to sit him out of principal (which is great, no argument from me) but then you cant have it both ways. You made a decision based on your morals - if you then also can get away with 'getting your money back' so to speak then it wasnt a particularly hard choice, was it?  

I suspect MB would have only taken him if the Rags agreed to eat salary & they didnt want to do that. Im sort of glad it fell through. He's talented, no doubt, but sounds like a pretty questionable human. Maybe Weber, Gallagher and co. would keep him in line but... 

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9 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I dont blame him.  He sounds like a piece of work but a contract is a contract.   No reason the NYR should be allowed to get out from under it.   They chose to sit him out of principal (which is great, no argument from me) but then you cant have it both ways. You made a decision based on your morals - if you then also can get away with 'getting your money back' so to speak then it wasnt a particularly hard choice, was it?  

I suspect MB would have only taken him if the Rags agreed to eat salary & they didnt want to do that. Im sort of glad it fell through. He's talented, no doubt, but sounds like a pretty questionable human. Maybe Weber, Gallagher and co. would keep him in line but... 

Or there would be fistfights in the room!

 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

I dont blame him.  He sounds like a piece of work but a contract is a contract.   No reason the NYR should be allowed to get out from under it.   They chose to sit him out of principal (which is great, no argument from me) but then you cant have it both ways. You made a decision based on your morals - if you then also can get away with 'getting your money back' so to speak then it wasnt a particularly hard choice, was it?  

I suspect MB would have only taken him if the Rags agreed to eat salary & they didnt want to do that. Im sort of glad it fell through. He's talented, no doubt, but sounds like a pretty questionable human. Maybe Weber, Gallagher and co. would keep him in line but... 

interesting proposition but if he has trouble in a big market like NY - there’s an equal or greater spotlight in Montreal. I suspect he goes to a market that isn’t as obsessed with hockey subject to cap room like a Zona Columbus Florida etc 

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

I dont blame him.  He sounds like a piece of work but a contract is a contract.   No reason the NYR should be allowed to get out from under it.   They chose to sit him out of principal (which is great, no argument from me) but then you cant have it both ways. You made a decision based on your morals - if you then also can get away with 'getting your money back' so to speak then it wasnt a particularly hard choice, was it?  

I suspect MB would have only taken him if the Rags agreed to eat salary & they didnt want to do that. Im sort of glad it fell through. He's talented, no doubt, but sounds like a pretty questionable human. Maybe Weber, Gallagher and co. would keep him in line but... 

The Rags never seemed to have an issue with Sean Avery. 

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11 hours ago, habs1952 said:

The Rags never seemed to have an issue with Sean Avery. 

I think the culture of hockey (and everything, really) has changed a lot since the Sean Avery days. Im pretty sure he would have issues these days, on any team. 

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3 hours ago, maas_art said:

I think the culture of hockey (and everything, really) has changed a lot since the Sean Avery days. Im pretty sure he would have issues these days, on any team. 

Brad Marchand would probably like to have a word with you.

Just kidding, I hate the rat but he also happens to be a pretty good hockey player despite all the antics.

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Tony DeAngelo  would never fit in with the Montreal lockroom .

https://bluelinestation.com/2020/11/05/new-york-rangers-tony-deangelo-might-landed-hot-water/

 

A history of not being able to playing nice

This isn’t the first time Tony DeAngelo’s name has been thrown around in a controversial fashion.  Back in February of 2014, when he was playing for the OHL’s Sarnia Sting, DeAngelo was handed an eight game suspension when he was found guilty of violating the OHL’s harassment, abuse and diversity policy.  The suspension came after DeAngelo was accused of using offensive slurs toward one of his teammates, and it wasn’t the first time that the teenager was in trouble for violating the OHL’s harassment policy.

DeAngelo was also involved in two more incidents when he was suspended one game for the abuse of an OHL official, and then during the 2016-17 NHL season he was suspended for three games due to a similar incident involving another official.  DeAngelo was a member of the Arizona Coyotes at the time.

 

AND he's a huge TRump supporter 

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24 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

Tony DeAngelo  would never fit in with the Montreal lockroom .

https://bluelinestation.com/2020/11/05/new-york-rangers-tony-deangelo-might-landed-hot-water/

 

AND he's a huge TRump supporter 

Lol the nerve! He should probably not be allowed to play again based on that alone!

Good grief...

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