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43 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Did they have OT during the reg. season in 1930? I don't think so. There were a lot of games that ended in ties. 

On June 23, 1983, the NHL introduced a regular-season overtime period of five minutes. If the five-minute overtime period ended with no scoring, the game ended as a tie. Hard to believe it has been that long.

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1 hour ago, electron58 said:

Found thisDoesn't really say consecutive, so...........

NHL players to score each of their first two career goals in overtime:
 
Albert Hughes   (1930)
Brent Seabrook (2005)
Cole Caufield    (2021)
 
 
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Yeah. So, nearest I can tell.  Brent Seabrook started out as a 20yo. rookie for Chicago in 2005.  In Chicago's first overtime game that year, Nov. 2, 2005, Seabrook scored the OT winner against the Blues, 6-5, with his first goal of his career. Chicago got smoked the next game 9-1, and then the next game, beat the Coyotes 2-1, with Seabrook getting his 2nd career OT goal. (in consecutive games.)  He then finished with 5 goals and 27 assists.  So yes, Seabrook qualifies.

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1 hour ago, electron58 said:

Found thisDoesn't really say consecutive, so...........

NHL players to score each of their first two career goals in overtime:
 
Albert Hughes   (1930)
Brent Seabrook (2005)
Cole Caufield    (2021)
 
 
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As for this Albert Hughes guy, he was a rookie in 1930-31, and only played 2 seasons.  He scored 5 goals that year, and he's listed with 2 game winners, but it doesn't appear to show any overtime games & his New York Americans didn't make the playoffs. The Montreal Canadiens won the Stanley Cup that year, in case anyone is interested. As for Albert?  Not sure where #NHLSTATS got their stats.

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12 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Yeah. So, nearest I can tell.  Brent Seabrook started out as a 20yo. rookie for Chicago in 2005.  In Chicago's first overtime game that year, Nov. 2, 2005, Seabrook scored the OT winner against the Blues, 6-5, with his first goal of his career. Chicago got smoked the next game 9-1, and then the next game, beat the Coyotes 2-1, with Seabrook getting his 2nd career OT goal. (in consecutive games.)  He then finished with 5 goals and 27 assists.  So yes, Seabrook qualifies.

So, did Seabrook play in the 9-1 thrashing? If he did, it's not consecutive games, if he didn't, then it is consecutive games. JM2C. :P

 

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2 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

So, did Seabrook play in the 9-1 thrashing? If he did, it's not consecutive games, if he didn't, then it is consecutive games. JM2C. :P

 

Great point!  He took a boarding penalty & a cross checking penalty in the 3rd period, of that 9-1 thrashing, so you are correct! They were not scored in consecutive games.  They were just his first 2 goals, scored in OT.  So, there could be others out there, that took maybe 20 games between OT goals, for their first 2. You are on the ball, kinot-2!

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1 hour ago, kinot-2 said:

Did they have OT during the reg. season in 1930? I don't think so. There were a lot of games that ended in ties. 

Funny thing kinot-2.  It looks like they did play OT games back then during the regular season. It must have been for a defined amount of time. You could score as many goals as you could, as it was not sudden death. I'm still trying to figure this Albert Hughes guys stats out.  TBD.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/player/albert-hughes-3034/game-log?seasonType=regularSeason&seasonYear=1931

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13 minutes ago, electron58 said:

As for this Albert Hughes guy, he was a rookie in 1930-31, and only played 2 seasons.  He scored 5 goals that year, and he's listed with 2 game winners, but it doesn't appear to show any overtime games & his New York Americans didn't make the playoffs. The Montreal Canadiens won the Stanley Cup that year, in case anyone is interested. As for Albert?  Not sure where #NHLSTATS got their stats.

So I was able to determine the validity of the mystery of Albert Hughes.  He scored the first goal of the season for the New York Americans, which automatically takes him out of the running too. So, #NHLSTATS has been debunked.  So unless someone can find legitimate documentation, Cole Caufield holds this accomplishment alone.  I don't want to call it a record, because some of these "so-called" records are getting pretty chintzy.

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23 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Funny thing kinot-2.  It looks like they did play OT games back then during the regular season. It must have been for a defined amount of time. You could score as many goals as you could, as it was not sudden death. I'm still trying to figure this Albert Hughes guys stats out.  TBD.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/player/albert-hughes-3034/game-log?seasonType=regularSeason&seasonYear=1931

 

17 minutes ago, electron58 said:

So I was able to determine the validity of the mystery of Albert Hughes.  He scored the first goal of the season for the New York Americans, which automatically takes him out of the running too. So, #NHLSTATS has been debunked.  So unless someone can find legitimate documentation, Cole Caufield holds this accomplishment alone.  I don't want to call it a record, because some of these "so-called" records are getting pretty chintzy.

Thanks for doing the research, 58. :)

 

 

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1 hour ago, electron58 said:

because some of these "so-called" records are getting pretty chintzy.

Who was the only Canadien to score an overtime goal while Habs1952 was on the toilet?:lol:

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15 hours ago, H_T_L said:

NO. Regulation game OT is a Bettman era thing. That's why you have to question some of those older players matching the feat. I imagine it was pretty rare to see a rookie start his career in the playoffs and even rarer to see him score his first 2 career goals in B2B overtime games,,, if it happened at all.

Just to clarify and add ... OT is not a Betteman era thing ... and it wasn't only started in 1983

 

The History of NHL Regulation OT
https://records.nhl.com/history/historical-rule-changes

1927-28 To further encourage offense, forward passes allowed in defending and neutral zones and goaltender's pads reduced in width from 12 to 10 inches. Game standardized at three twenty-minute periods of stop-time separated by ten-minute intermissions. Teams to change ends after each period. Ten minutes of sudden-death overtime to be played if the score is tied after regulation time. Minor penalty to be assessed to any player other than a goaltender for deliberately picking up the puck while it is in play. Minor penalty to be assessed for deliberately shooting the puck out of play. The Art Ross goal net adopted as the official net of the NHL. Maximum length of hockey sticks limited to 53 inches measured from heel of blade to end of handle. No minimum length stipulated. Home teams given choice of end to defend at start of game.

1928-29 Forward passing permitted in defensive and neutral zones and into attacking zone if pass receiver is in neutral zone when pass is made. No forward passing allowed inside attacking zone. Minor penalty to be assessed to any player who delays the game by passing the puck back into his defensive zone. Ten-minute overtime without sudden-death provision to be played in games tied after regulation time. Games tied after this overtime period declared a draw. Exclusive of goaltenders, team to dress at least 8 and no more than 12 skaters.

1942-43 Because of wartime restrictions on train scheduling, regular-season overtime was discontinued on November 21, 1942. Player limit reduced from 15 to 14. Minimum of 12 men in uniform abolished.

1983-84 Five-minute sudden-death overtime to be played in regular-season games that are tied at the end of regulation time

 

So between 1928 and 1942 (14 years) the league played a 10 min OT in the regular season.   It was brought back in 1983 . This was during Ziegler's time.

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8 hours ago, HabsAlways said:

So unless we have game records for that 1930's player its hard to determine if his first 2 goals were GWG in OT, as OT back then was not sudden death.

I posted a link above, with the answer you are looking for. It shows if it is in OT or not.

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On 5/5/2021 at 10:53 AM, HabsAlways said:

The Betteman era change is the loser point and the shootout.     OT in the 80's and 90s ... you lost, you got nothing

They should not get a point, whether they lose in OT or in the shootout. Why should a team get a point if they lost?

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29 minutes ago, Larry-Launstein-Jr said:

They should not get a point, whether they lose in OT or in the shootout. Why should a team get a point if they lost?

 

29 minutes ago, Larry-Launstein-Jr said:

They should not get a point, whether they lose in OT or in the shootout. Why should a team get a point if they lost?

I would only agree to that if OT was the whole team as the game is played. The reduced 3on3 and the shoot out are just gimmicks. Neither have any place in the game. If they are going to continue the way as is. A regulation win should be 3 points an OT win 2 a shoot out 1 point. Make regulation actually  account for the most because that is real hockey. Play the games out and get rid of the 3 on 3 or 4 on 4 and shoot out. The 3 on 3 is getting worse with the possession hockey of going back and forth ect. Make it if you cross the blue line you can't double back skate circles ect. A team could play a great game and dominate another team during the 60 minutes maybe the other goaie has a great night , then "pond" hockey is played with no one touched and a team could lose at that point early and they get no point because the other team got a break during the 3 on 3 kids gimmick hockey? 

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On 5/4/2021 at 8:34 PM, kinot-2 said:

So, did Seabrook play in the 9-1 thrashing? If he did, it's not consecutive games, if he didn't, then it is consecutive games. JM2C. :P

 

 interesting though because he didn't play in consecutive games the team played ...so there is a slight difference albeit technical ....so pundit Craig Button is now saying Montreal won't win a game against the Leafs in the play-offs ...a little motivation there ? 

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On 5/7/2021 at 6:40 PM, Larry-Launstein-Jr said:

They should not get a point, whether they lose in OT or in the shootout. Why should a team get a point if they lost?

IIRC, the losers point came into being because if teams ended up tied at the end of regulation, they would often play a boring trap/keepaway game in the OT just to get the tie point. 

The thinking was, if you give the loser point before OT starts then teams will "go for it" more in OT.  Then the shootout and then they went to the 3 on 3 in OT etc.

Ultimately though, they made the change to try to get less games to end up as a tie as the end of OT-  but then more teams started playing for the tie  at the end of regulation - and the guaranteed loser point - lol. 

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