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just saw something that I found interesting on youtube saw that Don Cherry was talking about Mete so I clicked it, he said at one point that Mete should have been a forward, probably due to his size. what do you guys think of that? there is no denying he has talent and speed but he is very small to be a dman and often gets knocked off the puck would he have a better career as a forward?

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3 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

just saw something that I found interesting on youtube saw that Don Cherry was talking about Mete so I clicked it, he said at one point that Mete should have been a forward, probably due to his size. what do you guys think of that? there is no denying he has talent and speed but he is very small to be a dman and often gets knocked off the puck would he have a better career as a forward?

Hard to say JK gets knocked off the puck a lot too. He is a forward though. 

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4 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

just saw something that I found interesting on youtube saw that Don Cherry was talking about Mete so I clicked it, he said at one point that Mete should have been a forward, probably due to his size. what do you guys think of that? there is no denying he has talent and speed but he is very small to be a dman and often gets knocked off the puck would he have a better career as a forward?

Doesn't go get pucks in the offensive corners either though. Not overwhelmingly fast (although not slow either). Not an above average shot. I don't really know what he brings as a forward that he doesn't bring as a defenceman. His best assets are being able to skate the puck out of his zone and his first pass. I don't know that this makes him any better as a forward, I think he just has a limited skillset insofar as the NHL goes.

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I'm totally fine with Mete just continuing to be our seventh D. If he doesn't like it, well... too bad. He's under contract, he has a job to do. If that job is seventh D... great. Work harder and maybe he'll get more ice time.

He's gonna be needed when we encounter the injury bug.

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yeah there's nothing that screams forward to me the way some defensmen do. Im with BigTed - he just has a limited amount of skills for the NHL. Take away that elite skating & he's probably a career minor player. 

i still think that with the right partner he'll be an effective #4-6 dman but time will tell. 

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Mete showed, in his last game, that he deserves another shot.  He was the most engaged D man on the ice when he was on the ice.  He is the perfect compliment to this D core.  You cannot win in this league consistently without diversity in your attack/defense.  Mete adds an element that not many D men on this roster can bring. 

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4 hours ago, maas_art said:

yeah there's nothing that screams forward to me the way some defensmen do. Im with BigTed - he just has a limited amount of skills for the NHL. Take away that elite skating & he's probably a career minor player. 

i still think that with the right partner he'll be an effective #4-6 dman but time will tell. 

 

4 hours ago, FanFromAB said:

Mete showed, in his last game, that he deserves another shot.  He was the most engaged D man on the ice when he was on the ice.  He is the perfect compliment to this D core.  You cannot win in this league consistently without diversity in your attack/defense.  Mete adds an element that not many D men on this roster can bring. 

Both fair points that I agree with - Mete brings potent speed, I am just not sure we have seen enough of it at the right times much like Byron. They have some flashes but an inability to fully finish so both of them have ceilings in our current system of #5.6 and fourth line maybe a 3rd line. They may be better suited in an up tempo system like the Oilers or the Dallas Stars play. Fleury, Brook or Ouellette may be able to step into his current role later on within this season, so if we could get a 2nd round pick for him, I would take it.

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28 minutes ago, claremont said:

Fleury, Brook or Ouellette may be able to step into his current role later on within this season, so if we could get a 2nd round pick for him, I would take it.

Right now though, Id rather have Mete than a pick.   I think Mete has already surpassed Ouellette. Both Brook and Fleury have a (potentially) higher ceiling than Mete but (brook especially) they still lack the experience VM has....  

Id actually have no problem having him in the lineup every day. I think our bigger problem is having both Chairot and Edmundson in the top 4. I think we actually have decent D-depth, we're just using it wrong.  Mete and Kulak shouldnt be subbing out.  One of Chairot or Edmundson should imho. 

Kulak-Petry
Romanov/Mete-Weber
Edmundon/Chiarot-Fleury

I would bet money would be better, more balanced and more effective than what we're seeing right now on a nightly basis. 

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46 minutes ago, claremont said:

 

Both fair points that I agree with - Mete brings potent speed, I am just not sure we have seen enough of it at the right times much like Byron. They have some flashes but an inability to fully finish so both of them have ceilings in our current system of #5.6 and fourth line maybe a 3rd line. They may be better suited in an up tempo system like the Oilers or the Dallas Stars play. Fleury, Brook or Ouellette may be able to step into his current role later on within this season, so if we could get a 2nd round pick for him, I would take it.

I feel that Mete is significantly higher in the depth chart than Fleury,  Brook or Ouellet  and offers something we need more,  than most of our D, with the exception of Petry & Romanov. His quick D zone exits takes a lot of pressure off, and quickly transitions to the offense. This keeps our offense engaged where we can attack more. I still feel strongly,  that they should rotate Mete through ALL the D. Too many times,  we can't get it out of our end, and the players are on the ice for too long.  And the more VM plays, the more confidence he will get.

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14 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Right now though, Id rather have Mete than a pick.   I think Mete has already surpassed Ouellette. Both Brook and Fleury have a (potentially) higher ceiling than Mete but (brook especially) they still lack the experience VM has....  

Id actually have no problem having him in the lineup every day. I think our bigger problem is having both Chairot and Edmundson in the top 4. I think we actually have decent D-depth, we're just using it wrong.  Mete and Kulak shouldnt be subbing out.  One of Chairot or Edmundson should imho. 

Kulak-Petry
Romanov/Mete-Weber
Edmundon/Chiarot-Fleury

I would bet money would be better, more balanced and more effective than what we're seeing right now on a nightly basis. 

This is what I'm seeing,  as well. Weber should be paired with either VM or Romanov.  Maybe certain games with BC. Keep JP & JE together.  They are matched up pretty well.  But putting 2 sloths together is just not working,  most of the time.  Put a puck mover on each pairing. Also, I'm not moving VM, unless there is a bigger & better puck moving D, coming back that we can work under the cap. We don't need any more picks. We can't even sign all of them now. Even Vince Dunn from St. Louis would be one option.

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25 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I'd actually have no problem having him in the lineup every day. I think our bigger problem is having both Chairot and Edmundson in the top 4. I think we actually have decent D-depth, we're just using it wrong.  Mete and Kulak shouldnt be subbing out.  One of Chairot or Edmundson should imho. 

Kulak-Petry
Romanov/Mete-Weber
Edmundon/Chiarot-Fleury

I would bet money would be better, more balanced and more effective than what we're seeing right now on a nightly basis. 

Also wanted to mention,  that they won't drop both BC & JE to the 3rd pairing. Only BC needs to go to the 3rd pairing. Maybe, rather than rotating VM thru the defense pairings, you do BK. But keep a puck mover on each pairing.

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1 hour ago, electron58 said:

This is what I'm seeing,  as well. Weber should be paired with either VM or Romanov.  Maybe certain games with BC. Keep JP & JE together.  They are matched up pretty well.  But putting 2 sloths together is just not working,  most of the time.  Put a puck mover on each pairing. Also, I'm not moving VM, unless there is a bigger & better puck moving D, coming back that we can work under the cap. We don't need any more picks. We can't even sign all of them now. Even Vince Dunn from St. Louis would be one option.

I think that Edmundson is being carried by Petry a fair bit (although I think he's been a lot better lately so maybe that will change) but i also think that they are still getting slightly easier assignments than Weber's pairing right now. if you flip Petry to 1st pair minutes/assignments, then i think you need to give him a better partner.  Kulak on the first pair isnt ideal but he's probably the best compliment to Petry that we have at this moment.   Also allows weber to mentor Romanov or Mete in a more sheltered environment. 

53 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Also wanted to mention,  that they won't drop both BC & JE to the 3rd pairing. Only BC needs to go to the 3rd pairing. Maybe, rather than rotating VM thru the defense pairings, you do BK. But keep a puck mover on each pairing.

For sure they wont.  I think MB sees JE and BC at top 4 guys. I dont.  I think that one of them can probably fill in as a #4 but i also think Weber is better suited to 2nd pair minutes now.   If Romanov suddenly explodes in his development then you could conceivably move him up but i think he's 2 years away from true top pairing minutes.  I dont mind keeping Petry with Edmundson but then i dont move them to the top of the depth chart. That means Weber continues to get saddled with a #4-6 dman like Chairot which doesnt help him at this stage. 

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On 2/16/2021 at 3:50 PM, maas_art said:

Right now though, Id rather have Mete than a pick.   I think Mete has already surpassed Ouellette. Both Brook and Fleury have a (potentially) higher ceiling than Mete but (brook especially) they still lack the experience VM has....  

Id actually have no problem having him in the lineup every day. I think our bigger problem is having both Chairot and Edmundson in the top 4. I think we actually have decent D-depth, we're just using it wrong.  Mete and Kulak shouldnt be subbing out.  One of Chairot or Edmundson should imho. 

Kulak-Petry
Romanov/Mete-Weber
Edmundon/Chiarot-Fleury

I would bet money would be better, more balanced and more effective than what we're seeing right now on a nightly basis. 

It’s hard to argue with Edmundson’s plus minus. And Petry’s production. But with Webber slowing down offensively and defensively this year, I’d  actually like to see how he looks with a few lesser minutes playing beside Romanov. Even fir just a few games. 
 

Overall Chaiiot looks awfully good this year. Imo. Better than last year actually. So I’m also content leaving it as it is. 

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Mete played well last Game. He always plays well quite frankly. Nothing wrong with his game. Just a very good group. 
 

he’s not a forward either. He’ll make it through this year and then we will see who gets taken in the expansion draft snd such. He will  play  in the league for a long time to come. Hope it’s here. 

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54 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Will he get claimed? My guess would be yes. Somebody out there surely needs a cheap depth D.

This but especially if you're a non-playoff team this year preparing for the ED. He's a guy who helps you meet criteria for a guy to expose as long as you qualify him or re-sign him first. If you lose him in the ED, you've lost no one else. If you lose another D man instead, he's a cheap replacement.

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

Will he get claimed? My guess would be yes. Somebody out there surely needs a cheap depth D.

I’m not so sure he’ll get claimed. I imagine he’s been shopped around to this point, clearly there wasn’t any interest. Maybe the fact that it’ll cost nothing to get him will make a difference, but I assume MB wasn’t asking too high a price for him, so I don’t know. I have my doubts.

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1 hour ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I’m not so sure he’ll get claimed. I imagine he’s been shopped around to this point, clearly there wasn’t any interest. Maybe the fact that it’ll cost nothing to get him will make a difference, but I assume MB wasn’t asking too high a price for him, so I don’t know. I have my doubts.

Thats my guess too (that he's been shopped) i dont think MB exposes a player often unless he's first tried to trade him.

As you said, still a chance someone picks him up for nothing but i doubt the interest is super high. 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

Thats my guess too (that he's been shopped) i dont think MB exposes a player often unless he's first tried to trade him.

As you said, still a chance someone picks him up for nothing but i doubt the interest is super high. 

Could be no one wanted to give up a pick but will be okay with taking him for free.

Could be MB wanted to get this done today so he could make the Merrill trade and limit how much cap space he loses (even if he's unclaimed, he can now send Mete down to Laval) and maybe someone who was considering the deal wanted to see how other offers went first and take this closer to the deadline.

In any case, I agree that Mete's value likely not high at all... another incidence of a player who was rumored to be available for a 3rd or 4th rounder earlier in the year but who's value dropped before MB decided to try and get rid of him. We'll never know for sure, but it's a Bergevin special to sour on players, let their value tumble then deal them for nothing.

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