Guest twist_and_shout Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 So yeah, I know how great and exceptional of a rookie this guy is and can understand why we cheer his name so much... g a p +/- pim Mar 2, 2007 vs. BUF 0 0 0 -1 0 Feb 27, 2007 vs. NYR 0 0 0 -1 2 Feb 26, 2007 vs. TOR 0 0 0 -2 0 Feb 22, 2007 vs. NSH 0 0 0 -1 4 Feb 20, 2007 vs. WSH 0 0 0 -2 0 Maybe I missed something but isn't part of being a rookie learning from your mistakes and improving your play of the course of your first year? These have to be the worst numbers I've ever seen over a five game span. Is it time to demote him? Don't worry, I've hired a body guard and I'm ready for all the anger I am undoubtebly about to have directed towards me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevesaku Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 So yeah, I know how great and exceptional of a rookie this guy is and can understand why we cheer his name so much... g a p +/- pim Mar 2, 2007 vs. BUF 0 0 0 -1 0 Feb 27, 2007 vs. NYR 0 0 0 -1 2 Feb 26, 2007 vs. TOR 0 0 0 -2 0 Feb 22, 2007 vs. NSH 0 0 0 -1 4 Feb 20, 2007 vs. WSH 0 0 0 -2 0 Maybe I missed something but isn't part of being a rookie learning from your mistakes and improving your play of the course of your first year? These have to be the worst numbers I've ever seen over a five game span. Is it time to demote him? Don't worry, I've hired a body guard and I'm ready for all the anger I am undoubtebly about to have directed towards me. can we share the same bodyguard because i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest js2 Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 can we share the same bodyguard because i agree I'll chip in for a bodyguard because I also agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 People saying he should be here, do bring up some good points; but in the end I still think after seeing everything, I agree with my initial opinion that he should have been back in juniors for this season. But there's no point demoting him now, we still lose the year off unrestricted free agency, and at this point it would probably set him back. For better or worse, he's finishing the season with the Habs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 I think Carbo should instruct Lats to improve his foot speed over the summer. That has to be his main mission if he's going to compete with the big boys. If Lats can get faster on his feet -- not blinding quick, not even speedy, just faster than how he skates now -- it will make a huge difference in terms of him being able to keep up with his linemates, not dragging players offside, not being caught up-ice on odd-man rushes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheFly Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I agree with the last 5 posts. The media made him out to be this great player and all we've seen is a kid who looks 2 whole steps behind. Ever since he was taken off the limne with Ryder and Koivu he has done aboslutley nothing at all which is safe to say that Koivu can make anyone look good. Honestly I believe that next year he should not be with the team and make room for guys like Kostitsyn, Grabovski and Chipchura who have much more raw talent than he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Honestly I believe that next year he should not be with the team and make room for guys like Kostitsyn, Grabovski and Chipchura who have much more raw talent than he does. Well, let's not go overboard. There's certainly a case to be that Kostitsyn and Grabovski have more natural scoring talent than Latendresse -- although it's not a case I'd make, frankly. Chipchura's career ceiling is a third-line checker, and he just doesn't have Latendresse's skill set. In any case, the minute we gave Lats the roster spot this year, we committed to him being a permanent part of the club, otherwise we wasted a year of his pre-free agency for nothing. There's no point sending him back to junior next year unless it's clear from training camp that other players deserve to make the team. I hope Lats uses the offseason to work on the fundamentals of his game: speed, vision, and finish. If so, he'll be a much improved player next year, and a better asset for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 There's no point sending him back to junior next year unless it's clear from training camp that other players deserve to make the team. I hope Lats uses the offseason to work on the fundamentals of his game: speed, vision, and finish. If so, he'll be a much improved player next year, and a better asset for the club. Won't he be too old for junior? Next year, if he goes anywhere, it would have to be to Hamilton. As for his skating, wasn't that the reason he was still available in the second round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Won't he be too old for junior? Next year, if he goes anywhere, it would have to be to Hamilton. As for his skating, wasn't that the reason he was still available in the second round? Ah yes, you're right, it would be Hamilton for him, but that's the same waste for our purposes. If he's going to spend next season in Hamilton, he shouldn't have been here this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Ah yes, you're right, it would be Hamilton for him, but that's the same waste for our purposes. If he's going to spend next season in Hamilton, he shouldn't have been here this year. Agreed. But ... sometimes you have to accept a mistake and try your best to make up for it Note: I'm not saying keeping Lats was a mistake or wasn't, just pointing out that we can't let the fact that he was here this year automatically give him a roster spot next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29dry Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Agreed. But ... sometimes you have to accept a mistake and try your best to make up for it Note: I'm not saying keeping Lats was a mistake or wasn't, just pointing out that we can't let the fact that he was here this year automatically give him a roster spot next season. he needs to be here for next year.he's our best shot at having a power forward.i don't think/trust bg can pick one up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest f30marco Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 he should stay with the team next year! he isnt the problem and being young as he is he can only get better with age. 20+ points is fine for what he has been given this year and he is one of our best hitters. he deserves to stay as much as any other guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbya Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 he should stay with the team next year! he isnt the problem and being young as he is he can only get better with age. 20+ points is fine for what he has been given this year and he is one of our best hitters. he deserves to stay as much as any other guy. I agree, theres few things I like to see more than Gui ruining someone out there on the ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Note: I'm not saying keeping Lats was a mistake or wasn't, just pointing out that we can't let the fact that he was here this year automatically give him a roster spot next season. For sure. He'll have to have a good training camp and prove that he deserves to be on the team, same as Perezhogin did in his sophomore year. And he had better not take anything for granted, because with Kostitsyn and Grabovski around, Carbo will have lots of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbya Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 For sure. He'll have to have a good training camp and prove that he deserves to be on the team, same as Perezhogin did in his sophomore year. And he had better not take anything for granted, because with Kostitsyn and Grabovski around, Carbo will have lots of options. Thats true, but thats only if you're considering on rookie talent alone, Kostitsyn and grabovski are speedy scoring forwards, Gui is a hard-hitting corner fighter who can pass Carbo will have his options, but the Habs only have a couple hard hitters (see Komisarek and Begin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Thats true, but thats only if you're considering on rookie talent alone, Kostitsyn and grabovski are speedy scoring forwards, Gui is a hard-hitting corner fighter who can passCarbo will have his options, but the Habs only have a couple hard hitters (see Komisarek and Begin) True enough. Lats's skill set is quite different from what Kostitsyn and Grabovski bring to the table. That being said, whoever has a better camp should make the team, period. And incidentally, we are sorely lacking in scoring forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest detritus Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 True enough. Lats's skill set is quite different from what Kostitsyn and Grabovski bring to the table. That being said, whoever has a better camp should make the team, period. And incidentally, we are sorely lacking in scoring forwards. Do you honestly believe, if an un-developed lats made the team over all of the talent that we had in hamilton last year.. that he would get shipped out next year? He didn't deserve to be here this year, he couldn't even dress for Canada in the WJC yet we have the CAPTAIN of that team rotting in juniours. There is no chance that Lats gets sent down next year regardless of how many better players are waiting (and not being able to progress) there are in hamilton. This point will once again get proven when Kostitsyn get's sent down again after several solid games, and Lat's once again get's to keep his position for no reason other than being a Quebecer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 To be honest Kostitsyn didn't play that well until the last two games IMO. Every other time hes been up I haven't noticed him much. I really hope he continues, but Lats I think has been a pretty decent player for his first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbya Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 True enough. Lats's skill set is quite different from what Kostitsyn and Grabovski bring to the table. That being said, whoever has a better camp should make the team, period. And incidentally, we are sorely lacking in scoring forwards. true say, It wouldn't be fair to give someone a spot just cause they have a different skill set, but I'd say you should think about replacing a scoring forward (or a non-scoring forward) with one of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest detritus Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 To be honest Kostitsyn didn't play that well until the last two games IMO. Every other time hes been up I haven't noticed him much. I really hope he continues, but Lats I think has been a pretty decent player for his first year. He was OK for what he played last year, that deserves a better chance than he has received this year. Not to mention the fact that Lats comes in as a rookie and immediately takes 1st line winger when Higgy goes down. I've had enough of the special treatement for him. I realize Grabs isn't a LW but he atleast had alot of offensive flare when he came up, Gui hasn't scored a point in many games, let alone shown offensive flare. Yes - Gui has been crushing people ( when he can catch up to them ), but our team has difficulty scoring! we need offensive flare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbya Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 He was OK for what he played last year, that deserves a better chance than he has received this year. Not to mention the fact that Lats comes in as a rookie and immediately takes 1st line winger when Higgy goes down. I've had enough of the special treatement for him. I realize Grabs isn't a LW but he atleast had alot of offensive flare when he came up, Gui hasn't scored a point in many games, let alone shown offensive flare. Yes - Gui has been crushing people ( when he can catch up to them ), but our team has difficulty scoring! we need offensive flare! Yeah, grabovski can score, but he didn't, Gui has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cup crazy88 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Im not saying Grabs scored, but Lats has been FAR from a scoring threat on the ice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habsfan#08 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Yeah, grabovski can score, but he didn't, Gui has How long did it take him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Yeah, grabovski can score, but he didn't, Gui has You would score too, if people kept giving you every opportunity to score. You can't score in the NHL if you're down in the minors ( see Kastitsyn ) or are benched ( see Samsanov, Murray, Peroz, Kovalev ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Do you honestly believe, if an un-developed lats made the team over all of the talent that we had in hamilton last year.. that he would get shipped out next year? He didn't deserve to be here this year, he couldn't even dress for Canada in the WJC yet we have the CAPTAIN of that team rotting in juniours. There is no chance that Lats gets sent down next year regardless of how many better players are waiting (and not being able to progress) there are in hamilton.This point will once again get proven when Kostitsyn get's sent down again after several solid games, and Lat's once again get's to keep his position for no reason other than being a Quebecer. I have faith that the coaching staff will make the decision that's best for the team and for Lats's long-term development, even if it means admitting that keeping him this year was a mistake, which I think it was (though I defended Carbo at the time; hindsight is always 20/20! ). A year in Hamilton working on hockey essentials wouldn't be a bad thing for Lats, but it all depends on training camp. I expect Kostitsyn to make the team this time, and Grabovski to be seriously considered, but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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