Guest habsFREAK27 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 you don't see it because your not a member of the french media thats not an insult to you weeping and I am not trying to bash those who work for the french media in Montreal ( they can't all be little maggots like certain reporters) but truth be told IMO Lats has gotten more breaks because Carbo and Gainey are simply playing the media like a fiddle. You have a young french hockey player, home grown talent who had a good training camp the previous year. Everyone was calling for him to play then but they sent him back. So this season rolls around and again he has a great training camp. Again the media and fans are calling for him to be placed on the roster. If they hadn't of made that promise in the summer that there would be a roster spot for one of the rookies this season you probably wouldt have seen Lats up here. But they had painted themselves into a corner so the spot had to go to someone. From what I recall afterwards when asked why he got it Carbo commented that Kostistyn had some great games in training camp, but had a few bad ones where as Gui had good games right up to the end. So they give him the spot and now here comes the part I mentioned earlier where they start playing the media. They promote Gui to the 1st line, they give him PP minutes, they give him some PK minutes, they give him p,enty of ice time. why? simple. At the end of the season the media can't stand on their soapbox and wail how Carbo didn't use Gui properly. They have given him every chance to succeed. After he got his first goal Carbo addressed the media and basically told them "Now maybe we can lay off him and leave him be" By doing this when Carbo did bench Gui for a game there wasn't any huge write ups in the papers or public out cry. By that time we all knew it was coming and had no problem with it. I am not disapointed with the choice of keeping him, he has 14 more points then I expected him to get this year, speed he can work on, same as his hockey sense, passing, using his teamates properly etc. But at the end of the day the media can't blame this one of the coach as Gui has been given the chance to succeed and has no one else to blame but himself if he doesn't. I totally agree, but now their new excuse is especially: "He is never consistant and is always moving from a line to another, how can he have chemistry and perform as he can?" Like I mentioned about talent player like Kovalev, I believe when you're considered as TALENTED, you do not need your wingers or center to be good as you to show you can play and produce. so IMO their excuse is not good:tease: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xe_liam88 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 wow...just wow, Half of the things I have read on this board, are just wow. You want the next French canadian player on this roster and when he gets here you bash the hell out of him. If lecavalier was here and scored 4 goals a game for a month and then slumped for a week, you people would be calling for his head. I think its time to move this franchise elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lafleurs Guy Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Not quite true, JL, he spend a considerable amount of time on the second line with Kovalev and Plekanec.Carbonneau waited a long time to bench him, whereas Perezhogin was getting benched every other game. At the time Carbo benched Lats, I personally felt that he should have been benched at least two weeks prior. Perezhogin, on the other hand, would come into a game, register a point, but take one dumb hooking penalty and get immediately sent back to the pressbox. I don't think ice time is the issue. Latendresse was handed a spot on the top line when Higgins got injured -- and let's use the word 'handed', because you'll be hard-pressed to convince me he deserved the promotion at that point in the season. He saw first-unit PP time. He did well in both situations, well enough for a 19-year-old rookie at any rate, so I'm not finding fault with him. He's 19 and he's tiring before guys in their '30s who've overcome multiple injuries? C'mon. I didn't see Sidney Crosby run out of gas last season. That's a conditioning issue, plain and simple. Nobody is blaming him for his second-half struggles! I will say it again: I think this is on the coaches, not on Lats. Of course we all expected him to have a tough time in the latter part of the year. That's all the more reason why he should have gone back to junior and then done a year in Hamilton. As for development, I really don't see it. Sure the NHL experience is great, but I still see the same kid with zero foot speed, limited vision, and very little idea of how to play away from the puck. I think Kostitsyn would have produced more consistently had he spent the whole year in Montreal, it wouldn't have cost us a year of Lats's time before free agency, and it would have allowed us to develop Latendresse properly. To put it another way, I don't see why Latendresse getting NHL experience was more of a priority than Kostitsyn's development, all other things being equal, when sending him back to junior would have allowed us to develop both players properly at the same time. No offense to Latendresse, but he has yet to fill that power forward role. I think people are getting confused about what he has the potential to become, and what he currently is. Right now, he is not a power forward by any stretch of the imagination. He throws hits, but if that's the only thing that constitutes a power forward, let's put Aaron Downey on the power play. He doesn't yet know how to use his size and puck control to dominate in the other team's zone in a way that will generate a power forward's numbers. He will learn to do this, in time, but he ain't there right now. Note: I just want to reiterate that I am speaking unabashedly in hindsight, which is of course 20/20. At the start of the year, I defended Carbo's decision to keep Lats, but over the course of the season, I've changed my mind, based on the reasons I've listed. So please don't interpret this as an attack on Latendresse. I like him and look forward to the day when he does become that vaunted power forward. Great post. First of all, Carbo has completely screwed up Perez's development and Kostishyn should've been taken for the team too. Hopefully that is corrected next year. As for Lats, I was one of the people who said that he wasn't ready. I must admit though that he's been better than I thought. He's very raw and he has made some mistakes. I will say this though, while I agree he should've been benched earlier, he's been pretty decent and I don't mind the year he's spent in the NHL. I'm more upset about the treatment of Kosti and Perez. Hopefully, that will change. I also think that if they get rid of some of the vets (Kovi, Sammy, Johnson & Bonk) that will open the door for the kids. I know its scary, but it has to be done. The kids are 21-22 now. Its time to hand the team over to them and see what they can do. Even though they won't be contenders (or probably even make the playoffs) next year, its worth it to develop the team. Plus we'll get another high pick. Building championship teams takes time. They need to be patient and do this the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevesaku Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 LOL what? never saw a player print his autograph...funny stuff. yeah lol...i guess he wasnt used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 wow...just wow, Half of the things I have read on this board, are just wow. You want the next French canadian player on this roster and when he gets here you bash the hell out of him. If lecavalier was here and scored 4 goals a game for a month and then slumped for a week, you people would be calling for his head. I think its time to move this franchise elsewhere. No offense to you, but your post doesn't really add anything to the discussion. You're making sweeping generalizations about people here, which is never welcome, and furthermore, you aren't constructively engaging in the argument. All you're doing is comparing Latendresse to Vincent Lecavalier (!), serving up a ludicrous fantasy scenario in which we say and do things we never would, and then pretending this fantasy scenario has some correlation to the issue at hand. Nobody likes being insulted, and nobody likes straw men. If you disagree, argue the point with relevant evidence and stay away from ad hominem attacks. I'll be more than happy to respond if you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xe_liam88 Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 you couldnt be more wrong about my post buddy. I never compared the two I said "if" Lecavalier played on this team and had a slight slump, he would be booed even if he were scoring four goals a game before the slump. Maybe you should read the posts more than once before responding. I never did/ will compare Lattendresse to Lecavalier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 you couldnt be more wrong about my post buddy. I never compared the two I said "if" Lecavalier played on this team and had a slight slump, he would be booed even if he were scoring four goals a game before the slump. Maybe you should read the posts more than once before responding. I never did/ will compare Lattendresse to Lecavalier. Really? You didn't? Then why did you mention Lecavalier at all? Why would we boo him in this fantasy scenario of yours? Because of how you think we've treated Latendresse unfairly? :roll: But I won't put words in your mouth. What is your rationale for dragging Lecavalier into the conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotrbrtsn Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 He's 19 and he's tiring before guys in their '30s who've overcome multiple injuries? C'mon. I didn't see Sidney Crosby run out of gas last season. That's a conditioning issue, plain and simple. Lol, Sydney Crosby is the best hockey player to come around in 20 years, lets slow down that comparison. From what I understand, in general, it's extremely hard for players to come from the juniors, and be able to handle a full grueling 82 game NHL schedule. The game is a totally different pace, and a couple years in the AHL goes a long way to preparing you for that pace. Lats will be a better player in 2 or 3 years because of the experience he had this year, it's safe to say Carbo did make the right call in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Lol, Sydney Crosby is the best hockey player to come around in 20 years, lets slow down that comparison.From what I understand, in general, it's extremely hard for players to come from the juniors, and be able to handle a full grueling 82 game NHL schedule. The game is a totally different pace, and a couple years in the AHL goes a long way to preparing you for that pace. Lats will be a better player in 2 or 3 years because of the experience he had this year, it's safe to say Carbo did make the right call in this case. But your argument is exactly why Lats should have spent another year in junior and then at least one season in Hamilton. What did we gain by rushing him up to the big leagues so soon? Why did his seasoning and experience have to occur on our active roster? Couldn't he have cut his teeth in the AHL while we let older players like Kostitsyn, who wouldn't have these conditioning issues, get their fair shot first? To me, the Sidney Crosby example proves that you should only pull a player out of junior if you think he'll have a huge impact on your team. With a Sidney Crosby the choice is clear. Get him on your team ASAP because he is a gamebreaker and a difference-maker even at 19. Guillaume Latendresse is no Sidney Crosby, so why was it so important to pull him out of junior and give him a spot on the team? He hasn't scored 40 goals or helped us get into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckhound73 Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Why does he always get a free pass on the first line?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :vent: :box: :brick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Why does he always get a free pass on the first line?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :vent: :box: :brick: Because our so-called first and second liners aren't performing? :dont: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Why does he always get a free pass on the first line?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :vent: :box: :brick: No free pass was given, he did as the coach asked. If others had they might have gotten the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 No free pass was given, he did as the coach asked. If others had they might have gotten the opportunity. exactly. We only scored 2 goals against the Thrashers and Lats was one of those who scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianMike Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Why does he always get a free pass on the first line?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :vent: :box: :brick: ..because his name is GUI. *runs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotrbrtsn Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 But your argument is exactly why Lats should have spent another year in junior and then at least one season in Hamilton. His stats showed he gained good experience. He would've learnt next to nothing by staying in the Q. If Latendresse had beena failure, if he hadn't had good performances on teh top line, I'd agree with you. But he did just fine and gained much needed experience. I wrote up a long addition to my other post about how his filling his role fairly well as a PF, but the stupid 5min edit rule caused me to lose my post. Basically he has done a good job of controlling pucks in corners, standing in front of the net, throwing hits, and also dishing some nice passes, all things a power forward should do. You are right he's not a PF yet, he needs to use his size more, but he has a full year of experience under his belt, he has much more confidence a a result, and is that much closer to reaching his potential. Had he stayed in teh Q, he would've gained none of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xe_liam88 Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Oh my god man, just never mind. You really are a dum *** man. What I was trying to say is that if the best NHL player was in Montreal and scored on average 4 goals a game and went on a one week slump you would rip his head off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 11Koivu Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 he needs to work on his skating. I really like how he plays the puck on the board. And you will always develop more playing at a higher level, it just depends wether his confidence has been shattered or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUET-39--amp--KOIVU-11 Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Great chose to call up when Higgins was hurt, when he was frist called up i thought he not be to good but i was so totaly wrong __________________ THE CITY IS HOCKEY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUET-39--amp--KOIVU-11 Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 he needs to work on his skating. I really like how he plays the puck on the board.And you will always develop more playing at a higher level, it just depends wether his confidence has been shattered or not. I cannot imagnie his confidence begin shattered but maybe he will shatter someone's with his wicked hard hits on the boards. __________________ THE CITY IS HOCKEY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 13 goals now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 He has a pretty good shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shamrun Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 13 goals now i think he can reach 15, wich is a lot more then a lot of people expeccted him to be able to do this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtomtimmy34 Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 15 goals would be great. Heck im stocked he has 13 already. I wasnt a believer @ the beginning of the season, but hes growing on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest "Rocket" Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 15 goals and 35 pts would be a very good first season, so 2 goals to go and 9 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest keithman Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 he's not doing that bad at all this season, considering first 13 games he had ZERO points. he learned a lot more in the NHL than he ever would've if he stayed in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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