Guest sportsfreak_39 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 One thing that doesnt show up on the scoresheet is how many penalties he draws. Seriously how many times does he get us powerplays by makign a deke and making someone hold him up. Hes a reason for some goals even when hes not on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest newton Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I'd certainly love Kovalev with the heart of Begin or Higgins or Ovechkin but that would be asking way too much. As was already said, when things matter, Kovalev usually shows up. He's a franchise player. He likes Montreal. He's entertaining to watch. He draws lots of penalties. He has the points to back up his laziness during the regular season. I'd hate to have a team full of Kovalevs but I'm glad we have the one and only Kovalev in a Habs uniform. He's gonna help us get the Cup back where it belongs. He may not stop a truck while doing it (like Begin & co. would) but it's a safe bet he's gonna score a lot of nice AND important goals in the process. Plus, anyone who questions Kovalev should watch once a week as a medication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Enigma = Kovalev But if we have any desire of winning the cup in the next few years...we need this enigma !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I'd certainly love Kovalev with the heart of Begin or Higgins or Ovechkin but that would be asking way too much. Asking way to much for him to bring it every night and play with heart? That's too much? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 He's a franchise player. He likes Montreal. He's entertaining to watch. What exactly makes him a franchise player? He has the skill to be one, but he doesn't put up enough points or have anything else about his game to make him a franchise player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Well who lead the team in points last year? Hmm I believe it was Kovy. Who lead the team in points last year in the playoffs? Also Kovy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hab Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Plus, anyone who questions Kovalev should watch once a week as a medication. I still laugh while watching McCabe trying to guard Tucker and then get jumped by Souray and Komi. Every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest newton Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Asking way to much for him to bring it every night and play with heart? That's too much? Wow. In Kovalev's case, it is. Don't get me wrong - personally, I rate heart over talent. But Kovalev is an exception. He's a zen master out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kovalev #27 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 What if all of us send him an email to show up every game. Imagine 250 emails in his mailbox. I assume he will make something out of it, so he will try harder. What do you think...? If he does listen to us, it would be great! A little bit of criticism will not spoil him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 You just don't know enough about Samsonov as a player obviously. For you to even compare his offensive skills with Ribeiro is laughable, please tell me you're joking! How much have you really watched Samsonov play? And be honest... Kovy makes 4.25 and most teams would be glad to pay it, Ribeiro is overpaid at 1.9 and most teams would not look at him twice for that salary. I mean, this is about as cut and dry as it gets, there is NO comparison between samsonov or kovalev to ribeiro, it's like comparing Forsberg to Horcoff, get a grip! "Once in a while"? More like 3/4's of the time and every single game in the post season.You know... maybe we're all wrong about how great we think or expect Kovy should be... maybe what we see is simply what is actually as good as he can be... and I, for one, don't think of that as being so great. You know... when peole say things about someone often enough others tend to believe it. As for Sammi... the jury is still not out (what did he do last year compared to others on the Habs... look at the stats). Ribs is not one of my favs, but he like many can do wonders with the puck... but being a very good Hockey player means more than just finesse... and the biggest part of that is desire and heart.bw6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Well who lead the team in points last year? Hmm I believe it was Kovy. Who lead the team in points last year in the playoffs? Also Kovy. So? Does that make him a franchise player? He doesn't play his own end well and doesn't score enough. The point is we really don't have a franchise player right now, some maybe developing, but saying Kovalev is a franchise player? Ovechkin is a franchise player, Crosby is, Brodeur is, Jagr is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 So? Does that make him a franchise player? He doesn't play his own end well and doesn't score enough. The point is we really don't have a franchise player right now, some maybe developing, but saying Kovalev is a franchise player? Ovechkin is a franchise player, Crosby is, Broduer is, Jagr is. I have to agree that the term "franchise player" and "heart and soul" are overly used these days. There are not enough "franchise players" around the league to have one per team. A franchise player is someone you build your franchise around, guys that will take the team on thier shoulders and carry the load. Crosby, Ovechkin, Sakic are franchise players, and I would hesitate even tagging Thornton and Iginla as such. There are however many very talented players around the league and Kovalev is certainly one of them and since I've spoken my peace on him earlier on in this thread, I will save everyone the agravation of having to read it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I give up trying to defend him. Ya'll who don't seem to like him make me feel stupid when I'm trying to find good things about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I give up trying to defend him. Ya'll who don't seem to like him make me feel stupid when I'm trying to find good things about him. I think there's a majority of people here who have a lot of positive things to say about Kovalev. The only thing I see as a bit of a knock in what I'm reading is that the effort isn't always there... to which I've already spoke saying that people should stop complaining about that because it's been a tag he's had on him since he started in the league, so it should come as no surprise. Again, the positive with Kovalev far outweights the negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I know, It's just hard for me to read bad stuff about him when he isn't playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotrbrtsn Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 So? Does that make him a franchise player? He doesn't play his own end well and doesn't score enough. The point is we really don't have a franchise player right now, some maybe developing, but saying Kovalev is a franchise player? Ovechkin is a franchise player, Crosby is, Brodeur is, Jagr is. IMO, the combination of Koivu + Kovalev is better than any one person in the league. I think that's a core you can definately build a franchise around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotrbrtsn Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 As for Sammi... the jury is still not out (what did he do last year compared to others on the Habs... look at the stats). Didn't answer my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 IMO, the combination of Koivu + Kovalev is better than any one person in the league. I think that's a core you can definately build a franchise around. I agree 100% with what you're saying, that's what I like about this years team, our depth, my point was, the term franchise player, imo, is reserved for the Ovechkins and Crosby's of the world and I don't consider Kovalev one. (please remember, I do like him a lot, infact I love anyone who pulls the jersey over his head) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotrbrtsn Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 the term franchise player, imo, is reserved for the Ovechkins and Crosby's of the world and I don't consider Kovalev one. He's not, but he's darn close. Actually, just like Saku as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest newton Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 the term franchise player, imo, is reserved for the Ovechkins and Crosby's of the world and I don't consider Kovalev one I agree, I've used the term rather hastily. What I meant is - I wouldn't trade Kovy. I'd like him to end his career here in Montreal. With another Stanley Cup ring. Or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I hope Kovy has a good year or two before he retires. I don't want to see him go out on a bad note. Hopefully he will have a good year after some somewhat average seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marshizzle Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I dunnno, Id Take Crosby in a trade w/ Koivu and Kovalev. Crosby is just a better koivu if u ask me. Hes only 19, where koivu is prolly going to retire soon because of his eye, and crosby has the heart like koivu does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 why is koivu gonna retire? after he gets that cataract removed this summer everything will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest d80jcrant Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 My guess is this guy bounces back and has a great season. he still has a few all star yeears left in him and with the faster habs team this year under Carbo I think he will open up this season. Kovy bounces back this year for 80+ points...Go Kovy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghys Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 If Selanne did it after having surgery in BOTH of his knees ,then there is no reason Kovalev can't do it either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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