Guest habsFREAK27 Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Habs 24, knew I was giving you more credit than you deserved! (just kidding)-What I thought you might be saying- (and this will probably give Pitt 27 a heart attack)- was that if the Habs were perhaps OUT of the playoff race by March 16- then Kovy could be an appealing acquisition for some other team before the trade deadline- As for Kovy and scoring- look, it's all a matter how how Kovy's used. Jagr was a scoring champ in Pitts, and then a scoring leader in NY- but he was an average nobody with Washington. What changed? Did he lose his scoring touch, skill or ability with the Caps- of course not. In Pittsburgh and NY, the team is built around Jagr- Sather traded for Czech limemates just so Jagr would be comfortable. The job of those linemates is to set him up to score. He plays virtually the entire PP. He is the trigger man on 5 on 3. He is on the ice in empty net situations (In the Burgh, Jagr probably scored 20-30 point a year on empty net situations)- The canadians don't build their team around Kovy- they don't even build a line around Kovy- Basically, Kovy could easily be among the scoring leaders in NHL- anyone can see that he has the skill- BUT, if you're not first line (which Kovy isn't); if you're going play 2nd power unit (which Kovy does) , if you're set up man for Souray on 5 on 3 (which Kovy is), if you sit the bench in empty net situations (where Kovy sits); if you're going to roll four lines and play Kovy 16-18 minutes a game (which is going to happen)- then it's hard to put up impressive numbers. It's nuts!!! People think if Kovy just hustled a little more, or played hard ALL the time, or whatever the criticism is- he could put up more many more points. Hardly! When you have Kovy's world class skill, his point total is only limited by his opportunities- of which- given the Habs style- Kovy has little opportunity to be a league leading scorer. Let me get an- Amen AMEN yees very good post *clap clap* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thibodosa Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 makes sense to me.. for what he plays he does good,, i do think he can do better.. but hes producing non the less and thats what we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice-R-Loaded Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 it isn't very hard Ut-oh. This new Board kinda doesn't put things in context. .....Anyway, Sanch, your original response quoted above to Scott was funny. WEEPING, you know I live to keep you and JL entertained- I mean if all you and JL had to read all day was variations of "what name would you put on the back of your jersey", you guys would end up in a looney bin drivelling on your keyboards. Weep, thanks for the tap of the stick- and ditto to fellow Kovy fans Jzun and Brian- and of course, Kovy fan extraordinaire- HB27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G-Unit_Soldier Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Time and time again I've defended Kovy, hes my favourite player, and was even before he came here. Yes we all know hes as skilled as almost anyone and yes we know he dont ALWAYS use it for what its worth. But his value is underestimated by many I can tell and I believe this year alongside Samsonov he is going to do very very well. I think they need to give him the C and make that Kovy-Pleks-Samsonov line 1st instead of 2nd. I like Koivu but I just believe Kovy is more deserving of the C. But alas we are the hardest fans on our team in all the league, perhaps the world, so until he puts up about 800 points in 40 games the nay-sayers aren't going to say "yes, hes that good" anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Time and time again I've defended Kovy, hes my favourite player, and was even before he came here. Yes we all know hes as skilled as almost anyone and yes we know he dont ALWAYS use it for what its worth. But his value is underestimated by many I can tell and I believe this year alongside Samsonov he is going to do very very well. I think they need to give him the C and make that Kovy-Pleks-Samsonov line 1st instead of 2nd. I like Koivu but I just believe Kovy is more deserving of the C. But alas we are the hardest fans on our team in all the league, perhaps the world, so until he puts up about 800 points in 40 games the nay-sayers aren't going to say "yes, hes that good" anyway. this is saku's team not kovalevs, kovalev is just fine without the C....he has enough pressure on him as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 You play as a team and lose as a team. It doesn't matter who is the captain or assistant captain. Just do your job. The coach and the players will deciede who is right for the C and the A. Personally I don't always like what Kovy says. I'd prefer if he just kept quit and scored. It would be nice to see him focus all his attention on scoring and helping the team win. I like what Jagr said last year. I know what my job is and thats to score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cup crazy88 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Personally I don't always like what Kovy says. What did he say that soured you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I don't remember a perticular instance at the moment, but I know I've seen him say some things about teammates and coaches that he shouldn't. He should just take care of himself. I am not sour on Kovy. Sometimes he says good things and hes still my favorite player. I just think he says some innapropriate things for a leader sometimes when things aren't going well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Apparently the master in stickhandling isnt one of the top 10 exciting players in the game according to tsn. No homerism? Ya sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hoser Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 He's exciting one shift out of ten, sure, but compared to Crosby or Ovechkin or Jagr, he's really not top ten. Maybe if he played consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kevinfansdeshabs Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 He's exciting one shift out of ten, sure, but compared to Crosby or Ovechkin or Jagr, he's really not top ten. Maybe if he played consistently. What? Kovalev does take some nights off but the other nights when he's on, hes leaps above everybody. Dion freakin Phaneuf was in the top 10 over Kovalev. The forum has an auto-censor, but refrain from using the language anyways, or warnings will be administered. -WJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hoser Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 What? Kovalev does take some nights off but the other nights when he's on, hes leaps above everybody. Dion freakin Phaneuf was in the top 10 over Kovalev.The forum has an auto-censor, but refrain from using the language anyways, or warnings will be administered. -WJ When he's on! Kovalev can be a very exciting guy but he doesn't do it with any consistency. Some of his moves are very flashy and fun to watch but for every move he makes past a defender he makes a move that accomplishes nothing and turns the puck over, which is definatly not exciting. And Phanuf is damn exciting, his huge hits are always fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy-van-Heaven Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Apparently the master in stickhandling isnt one of the top 10 exciting players in the game according to tsn. No homerism? Ya sure.. And the Top 10 is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice-R-Loaded Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Apparently the master in stickhandling isnt one of the top 10 exciting players in the game according to tsn. No homerism? Ya sure.. He's one of the most exciting players- He's the only player I've ever heard opposition media commentators say they actually go to Hab practices when they're in town just to watch him in practice. ON CJAD, Wilson said he spent all game just watching Kovalev. The reason he might not be exciting in Montreal, is that the Habs- (let's face it) aren't a very exciting team. We are a Selke team- that hopefully will win us games (which would be great) - but it's not the formula for excitement. Now, combine that with the fact that for the majority of last year Kovalev played on the 2nd line with 3 guys who are no longer with the team (guess that shows how good Bob thought they were- and raises the question as to what he expected Kovy to do with them) - well it's hard to be Mr. Excitement. But hey, according to CBS sportsline, Kovy was the only Hab player in the top 50 in the NHL (think #32 overall, #6 RW). So, at least we Hab fans can be grateful for allowing us to be represented in that poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kovalev #27 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 For me Kovalev is exciting, and that's how it will be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I want it to be Friday so I can watch him for the first time since last March. Listening to the games isn't good enough I want to see Kovy play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyv Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 In a 1 on 1 situation, Kovalev is top 10 material, im not sure overall, he is also a top 10 exciting player on the PP, where he does most of his lethal jaw dropping damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 kovalev is still hands down the best stickhandler in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_mtl Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I was watching TSN preview show, and they were asking players who the thought was the best one on one player in the league. Andrew Ference of Calgary stated that he thought Kovalev was the most talented player in the league and it surprised him that he doesnt score 60 goals a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 And the Top 10 is? Spezza Havlat Phaneuf Sullivan Jagr Afinogenov Datsyuk Crosby and Ovechkin. And someone else I'm forgetting. I consider Kovalev more exciting then Spezza Havlat Phaneuf and Jagr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habinto Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Time and time again I've defended Kovy, hes my favourite player, and was even before he came here. Yes we all know hes as skilled as almost anyone and yes we know he dont ALWAYS use it for what its worth. But his value is underestimated by many I can tell and I believe this year alongside Samsonov he is going to do very very well. I think they need to give him the C and make that Kovy-Pleks-Samsonov line 1st instead of 2nd. I like Koivu but I just believe Kovy is more deserving of the C. But alas we are the hardest fans on our team in all the league, perhaps the world, so until he puts up about 800 points in 40 games the nay-sayers aren't going to say "yes, hes that good" anyway. There is no way that Kovy deserves the C. A leader must lead through actions and words. Skill alone is not a reason to be a captain (Lafleur never had the C and he was a franchise player). Kovy is not a Franchise player so we should not build a team around him. Kovy is not consistent enough night in and night out. However it would be nice to ensure he is well surrounded on his line. But it's hard to trade for quality players or players that we expect (expect = crystal ball) would gel well with Kovy. BG tried all summer to get a very good #1 or #2 centre but was unable to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice-R-Loaded Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Kovy doesn’t deserve to be captain of the Habs, nor is he the Habs “Franchise Player” . But, should Kovy have been a Captain somewhere? Absolutely! He’s a natural leader. The more responsibility he’s given, the better he responds. Just take a look at the REAL Kovalev. There’s always a defining moment- when you see all you need know about the character of a man. Last year, as you know, Tucker gave him a cheap shot at a meaningless point in a game. After Kovy shook off the cobwebs and knew the refs were going to let the cheap shot slide- what did you see? He took justice into his own hands- for himself and his team. You saw: 1. Incredible competitive spirit- Just because the Habs didn't have an “enforcer”, he wasn’t going to let the cheap shot pass to send the message that the Habs were pushovers.. 2. Self sufficiency- He didn’t look for a “body guard” to step in for him. 3. Cool “cold” thinking- He found the puck, and in the heat of the game, he instantly knew what he had to do. He was going to set Tucker up- and remember, he decided this while he had his back to Tucker, and Tucker was completely on the other side on the ice. 4. Incomparable skill- Unlike others who may have had to charge right at Tucker, Kovy expertly used his skill to weave his way -with the puck -towards Tucker. Kovy calculated that Tucker would try another cheap shot, and Kovy suckered Tucker in by losing the puck, and then laid him out. Unprecedented- at least, I’ve never seen it done before. 5. And he did it all, without causing damage to his team or himself- by way of a suspension. Now, tell me, what player in history had this combination of skill, determination, commitment and MUSCLE to settle the score in this manner for his team? 6. There was not ONE other play the entire season, that united the Habs and their fans, as much as that one hit. It will be remembered forever in Habs folklore. NOW, if anyone does not think that innate fire, skill and competitive spirit is the embodiment of what a Captain is all about, we’re on different wave lengths. As I said, I don’t think he should replace Cap. K- Kovy should not be the Captain of the Habs. But, please don’t say this guy doesn’t have the qualities of a Captain. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Once again a great post Dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 5.Now, tell me, what player in history had this combination of skill, determination, commitment and MUSCLE to settle the score in this manner for his team? I'll name you one player: Gordie Howe. Stan Mikita took a run at Howe one game and ended up high sticking him. Howe got his stitches and told Mikita it was a long season. Nothing happened for the next few games. One night Mikita was skating by Gordie, the next thing he knew he was on his back looking up at the rafters. As he was going by Howe, Gordie slipped off his glove and hit Stan Mikita with an upper cut that knocked him out. Afterwards Howe skated by Mikita on the bench and said "were even" now I will give Kovalev credit for taking matters in hand but now if that had of been someone else on the team (Ribeiro, Perezhogin, Koivu) to be on recieving end of Tuckers cheap hit would Kovalev had of still taken matters in to his own hands? Don't get me wrong, I like Kovalev. Once he takes a hold of the puck I always find myself setting forward a little more, more anxious to see what he is going to do. But Kovalev needs linemates who can follow his lead. Too many times I would see Kovalev trying to set up Ribeiro or Bulis only to see them going off somewhere else. Hopefully he has found the right linemates who can read his moves and know how to follow him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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