fourtrax Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Guys, it's one game. One game. I wouldn't worry too much about Kovalev. He'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cup crazy88 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 yeah, and remeber only the 2nd game that kovy n samsonov play with plekanec, they still have some wrinkles to iron out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyv Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Incase no body noticed, Lindy Ruff sent his shut down line against Kovalev's line, so dont look into that too much, Yvon Pednault said it, just because the line didnt "Produce" on the score sheet does not mean they werent any good, they got marvelous chances and were dangerous at many points in the game, and as he also said, they did so with the top checking line hounding them all night, which in turn allowed Koivu's line to go nuts offensively with no checking coverage. In my opinion Kovalev played good, he got his point, made the best of the chances he was able to create, put on a few moves that made the crowd awe, and nailed the post in the shootout. Hard to say someone is invisible when A. he orcastrates the perfect PP goal, if ANYONE else had the puck on that PP goal scored by Koivu other than Kovalev, the play would have never happened, why you say? Because Kovalev is confident in his abilties, he slowed the play right down, was patient, and forced Buffalo's defence into stationary postions because they know if they give him room, that puck is going top shelf, and the best way to get open is when the defence covering you stops moving. Kovalev was patient and made the pass at the oportune moment, anyone else would have tried to feed it to the front of the net too quickly and it would have been broken up, his patience allowed a tape to tape passing play to Higgins and Koivu Theres more to watching a player perform than whether or not he gets 3 points in a game, Plekanec and Samsonov both played good games, they were unable to convert offensively but who cares, the effort and chances were there, and really thats what matters most, sooner or later those chances will start bouncing in rather than bouncing out, but you need the chances to even get the points, and they got plenty of chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I only saw the third period, but they got a few good chances here an there. It's to bad they lost a point there though. That game should have been 2 points and 1 point can make a differnce down the road. Hopefully he defense will have a better performance next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Kindred, I knew the curve ball would strike you out. Sorry, I should have known you could only handle one sport at a time. :D was that it dice? I figured you were using baseball as a metaphor for your own thinking: dull and slow :razz: j/k Last night Kovalev looked good out there. the whole line was good, not great but still alot better then the line of Bulis -Ribs-Kovalev were. He had a beautiful chance to put one in but Miller was in top form. Cup crazy is right, give him some more time with his new linemates and they will do wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyv Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 If not for Miller being an awesome Goalie, the line would have produced more on the scoresheet and hence avoiding alot of the bandwagon nonsense in this thread. A player doesnt need to score points in my eyes in order for me to say he had a good game, maybe i just analyse too much, but if the chances are there and the plays look good, its a clear sign that those chances that were missed last night, will not be missed on a different night. Short of scoring a goal, that line did very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kjdriedger Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I think all controversy resides solely inside your head.Kovy is without a doubt, hands down, the most offensively talented player on the team. No one else comes close, except maybe samsonov, and I use the word 'close' very loosely here. I can't believe Koivu doens't get the respect he deserves. He has been a dominant (not just a good - but dominant) international player. He has all the intangibles. He shifts direction impecably, strong on the puck, sees the ice well and knows when to pass (and does so with great accuracy) and when to shoot, he changes gears and has many, he finds the lanes, back checks hard, and he can play with anyone beside him (adjust great). He does all of these things well and is easily the best offensive player on the team - including Kovy. It's humerous how good stick handlers and strong shooters can be so overrated. Of all the thing listed above, Koivu does all of them better than Kovalev. That is why he is a better player - easily. Anyone who's played any hockey at all, knows the person who can change direction and his skating pace is far scarier than a stick handler. Seems the intangibles don't get nearly enough respect. I am a firsttime poster here and just couldn't take it. So let the controversy begin - but really there shouldn't be any at all. Koivu is the best offensive player and player on the team - period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hab Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I can't believe Koivu doens't get the respect he deserves. He has been a dominant (not just a good - but dominant) international player. He has all the intangibles. He shifts direction impecably, strong on the puck, sees the ice well and knows when to pass (and does so with great accuracy) and when to shoot, he changes gears and has many, he finds the lanes, back checks hard, and he can play with anyone beside him (adjust great). He does all of these things well and is easily the best offensive player on the team - including Kovy. It's humerous how good stick handlers and strong shooters can be so overrated. Of all the thing listed above, Koivu does all of them better than Kovalev. That is why he is a better player - easily. Anyone who's played any hockey at all, knows the person who can change direction and his skating pace is far scarier than a stick handler. Seems the intangibles don't get nearly enough respect.I am a firsttime poster here and just couldn't take it. So let the controversy begin - but really there shouldn't be any at all. Koivu is the best offensive player and player on the team - period. I can't say a gree, but I don't completely disagree either. I'm sorry, when it comes down to pure talent, Kovalev has everyone beat. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to want to use said talent every night. But, there would be no team without Koivu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Not to worry it is only 1 game. We still have 81 to go. They will come around. All good players find ways to bounce back...Kovalev likes to play against TO. We will be fine. Do people even watch the games? Every time Kovy touched the puck he made a good play happen. Just because he was a -3 doesnt mean he was "non existent". Begin was -2 and his role IS to be a defensive forward but I dont see anybody talking bad about him? Just go watch the game again please. You'll see what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Un_Lavalois Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Yep and it's no coïncidence if the first line produced that freely, like Link said, Ruff had all his shut down guys on him. With Kovy on the second line, the first line has more room to breathe, since every Defenseman is scared when Kovy has the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kjdriedger Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I can't say a gree, but I don't completely disagree either.I'm sorry, when it comes down to pure talent, Kovalev has everyone beat. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to want to use said talent every night. But, there would be no team without Koivu. I have to disagree. Koivu has better talent - cause I respect intangibles. Kovy has better pure athleticism - but no need to get philosophicle. Koivu mkes anyone around him better, while Kovy needs those around him to make him better. That speaks well of what talent really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I have to disagree. Koivu has better talent - cause I respect intangibles. Kovy has better pure athleticism - but no need to get philosophicle. Koivu mkes anyone around him better, while Kovy needs those around him to make him better. That speaks well of what talent really is. Kovalev makes players around him better too. Just watch some of the plays this guy makes. When it comes to playmaking Koivu has a slight edge on Kovalev. But in every other department Kovy has him beat. Stickhandling, shot, strenght along the boards. He wouldnt have been called the most talented player in the world by Mario Lemieux for no reason. They're two awesome players that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 They're both great players. I guess we can't agree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Give me a break. I thought he played fine even if I couldn't watch the game. It was only the first game of the season. Being a Kovy fan for 6 years I know it will get better. So I'm not worried and none of you should be either. Re-read my post before asking for a break I said I know it was only one game and I know there's 81 more. I expect more from a player of his calibre , that's all. I expect him to be better and he probably will, but - 3 ???:confused: If you didn't " see " the game how can you think he played fine . If I didn't see a game and looked at the stats I'd say he had some issues last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Re-read my post before asking for a break I said I know it was only one game and I know there's 81 more. I expect more from a player of his calibre , that's all. I expect him to be better and he probably will, but - 3 ???:confused: Begin -2 . Trade him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Re-read my post before asking for a break I said I know it was only one game and I know there's 81 more. I expect more from a player of his calibre , that's all. I expect him to be better and he probably will, but - 3 ???:confused: If you didn't " see " the game how can you think he played fine . If I didn't see a game and looked at the stats I'd say he had some issues last night Yeah I don't see any Habs games cuz I don't live up there. I only get to see them when they play the Pens 4 times a year, but don't expect me to bash a guy I've liked for 6 years it's not going to happen. I wouldn't worry about last night it will get better. His +/- last night really doesn't worry me. He got on the score board that's what matters to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Begin -2 . Trade him!!! lol....the only similarity between Begin and Kovalev are that they play in the NHL for the Montreal Canadiens Begin has to work hard for everything Kovalev can get by on his talent alone. If Kovaelv hand Begins work ethic he would be awesome And I didn't say trade Kovalev . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 lol....the only similarity between Begin and Kovalev are that they play in the NHL for the Montreal Canadiens Begin has to work hard for everything Kovalev can get by on his talent alone. If Kovaelv hand Begins work ethic he would be awesome And I didn't say trade Kovalev . What I was saying is the plus minus stat is the most useless stat ever. Stats actually arent the be all end all of a player. Kovalev had a pretty good game last night. The reason he seemed quiet was because he wasnt played often. Only played 11 total minutes in the first 40 minutes. Every time he had the puck he created chances so I dont get how people can bash the guy? Geez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice-R-Loaded Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I don' think he was quite robbed as he did fan on the backhand.....unless i missed a part of the game. Fanned- just didn't lift it- so I would agree. He's human, -hurried- and missed it. He'll get it back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Having a lot of energy is a talent in and of itself. I know that I don't have the same energy level as some people who I watch jump around all day like the energizer bunny and I wish I could do the same. It's not only about eating right and working out. Some peoples bodies just seem to be built in a such a way to provide a high energy level. Begin and Koivu both seem to have that level of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Yeah I don't see any Habs games cuz I don't live up there. I only get to see them when they play the Pens 4 times a year, but don't expect me to bash a guy I've liked for 6 years it's not going to happen. I wouldn't worry about last night it will get better. His +/- last night really doesn't worry me. He got on the score board that's what matters to me. all that matters to ya eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice-R-Loaded Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 was that it dice? I figured you were using baseball as a metaphor for your own thinking: dull and slow :razz: First rule of writng, Kindred- I try never to write above the intellectual limits of my reader. I thought baseball might do it, but look's like for some, I'll have to go down one more notch. Are you up on wrestling? Car racing? Perhaps a good tractor pull???? :razz: (back at you) Hey, Weep and JL will soon step in and either take us seriously or say we're off topic. So, I'll give you the last punch- that is, of course, after you talk to your mom and ask her how to spell the words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindros_jr Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I kind of put the samething in the lines thread but I hate Kovy playing with Sammy. Sammy likes to hold onto the puck just like Kovy so having 2 players on the ice that do the same thing is not a good idea. Also Sammy has only really shined when having a player like Murray on his line. Yes Thorton was on that line to but Joe would just set up shop behind the net and Murray in the slot and Sammy would do his puck handling and shifting on the board. On the Kovy and Plecs line he has noone like that with him. Kovy likes to be on the boards and shift around and Pleks is just trying to find his groove... As u can tell I think the Sammy pick up was bad but I def. think hes gonna hurt Kovy this season bc Sammy holds onto the puck to much when its Kovy who should have the puck... But we shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice-R-Loaded Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Theres more to watching a player perform than whether or not he gets 3 points in a game, Plekanec and Samsonov both played good games, they were unable to convert offensively but who cares, the effort and chances were there, and really thats what matters most, sooner or later those chances will start bouncing in rather than bouncing out, but you need the chances to even get the points, and they got plenty of chances. I watched the video, and I agree with you completely Link. I never saw Sammy before- and Pleks surprised me with the way he fit in- This is definitively not Kovy- Bulis- Rib....this is an excellent line, it has great potential- it's exciting- and it's fast. But, as with all things, time will tell. But right now, I'm a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsFanInPitt27 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 all that matters to ya eh +/- means nothing to me, and why should you care what I find important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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