Guest smoke Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I wanted him traded @ the deadline, It didnt happen, Which made me beleive we were going to resign him, which upset me. Now that we didnt resign him or trade him, makes me even more aggrevated, as we got nothing for him Thing is he put on this whole show, as if he would do anything to stay here in Montreal, Blah, he knew he was leaving, if he would have told gainey listen im doing this for the $, either pay me a LOT, or im gone, well gainey would have probably thought twice about keeping this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I wanted him traded @ the deadline, It didnt happen, Which made me beleive we were going to resign him, which upset me. Now that we didnt resign him or trade him, makes me even more aggrevated, as we got nothing for him Thing is he put on this whole show, as if he would do anything to stay here in Montreal, Blah, he knew he was leaving, if he would have told gainey listen im doing this for the $, either pay me a LOT, or im gone, well gainey would have probably thought twice about keeping this guy WE slapped him with the first offer, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 I still do not believe that $4.5 million is an utter slap-in-the-face when the final signing price was $5.5 million. Low-balling, maybe, but by no means offensive. I think the situation was and is that Souray simply wants to be close to home, and close to his family. We can argue all day (and have) about who did what wrong, or what happened, but I think we're looking too deep into it. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest St. B. Voyageur Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 I'm not so sure about that but since there's no way to measure it, I'll stay away from it. However, I do recall the game threads when we were going on the PP and fans praying for Souray to let it go from the point each and every time. If I compare that to the number of times he "got undressed", the cheering was much, much more predominant. Now that he's gone, he's a bum... fans will be fans. I for one am not saying he was a bum, but he was not a true #2 defenseman. When Markov went down he could not take over the offense...Defensively he was mediocre, some good games, some bad games. He did not play one on one's well, but he was a menace in front of the net, sometimes too menacing. For me, I remember two particular instances about Souray which I suppose I held against him. The famous Souray-Kovalev collision, where Souray coughed up the puck in Game 4 of the playoffs against Boston with his head down. Afterwards he was quick to criticize his teammate while not taking any blame himself...Brisebois was the guy who diffused that situation, I believe. I also remember in game 3, I believe, of the Tampa-Montreal series, we were on fire, surely about to score trailing by 1, and on the PP, when Souray fumbles the puck at the blueline on a routine dump in (head-down), which leads to a short-handed breakaway for St. Louis the other way, and the dagger in our hearts...We never came back after that....I have to say that it was his head down stickhandling which got me the most... Souray had the best shot in the league (or 2nd after Chara). He admitted openly that other aspects of his game were lacking, which surprises me that come contract time, he would have placed such a high value upon himself...I don't think Souray is a bum, I am proud of how he represented the Metis nation, and I wish him well in Edmonton...I just think that he wasn't worth what he got and for the same price we got a better D-man (and I would have said that at any time over Souray's career)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 The famous Souray-Kovalev collision, where Souray coughed up the puck in Game 4 of the playoffs against Boston with his head down. Afterwards he was quick to criticize his teammate while not taking any blame himself... Kovalev coughed up the puck on a slash by Murray and Kovalev stopped playing and got in the way of Souray who was trying to come back to fix Kovalev's mistake. If we're going to criticize him, at least let's find some cases where he was to blame (and there are plenty, as he's not the best defensively, although not as bad as some make him out to be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 I still do not believe that $4.5 million is an utter slap-in-the-face when the final signing price was $5.5 million. Low-balling, maybe, but by no means offensive. I think the situation was and is that Souray simply wants to be close to home, and close to his family. Well there's no way to know for sure, but I think being in Alberta was just a coincidence. It just seems a bit weird that the team most desperate for scoring punch ends up signing him a couple weeks into the free agent period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1970 Habs Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Despite the article where Souray expressed that there were a number of factors affecting his decision you cannot change what people want to believe. I believe Souray is a good fit for Edmonton, who lacked sound offensive punch from their rear guards since Pronger was traded. Pair him with a strong defensive partner and it should work out fine. With poor 5 on 5 play Hamrlik should be a good fit for the Habs. A win-win situation. Every player has made mistakes on the ice and every player has weaknesses as well as strengths. As important as the point production, Souray provided strong leadership and character on the bench and in the dressing room while he played for Montreal. For that alone he gave a lot to the team. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevesaku Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 I wanted him traded @ the deadline, It didnt happen, Which made me beleive we were going to resign him, which upset me. Now that we didnt resign him or trade him, makes me even more aggrevated, as we got nothing for him Thing is he put on this whole show, as if he would do anything to stay here in Montreal, Blah, he knew he was leaving, if he would have told gainey listen im doing this for the $, either pay me a LOT, or im gone, well gainey would have probably thought twice about keeping this guy i feel the same way. if sheldon feels we low balled him with the first offer well...what is there to say? thats his problem. i remember a time when everyone on this forum was saying souray should not be signed for more than 4.5 million...and now because sheldon souray said so 4.5 million is chump change.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 My new nickname for him BooRay Kind of like Ray-Crap in the playoffs there, Boo Ray!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianMike Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 ...back to the point, SOURAY with the shot..SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to hear that this season. Isn't it amazing to see a player with such a hard AND accurate shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Asterix9 Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 My new nickname for him BooRay Kind of like Ray-Crap in the playoffs there, Boo Ray!!!!! You were most likely one of his biggest fans when he scored those game winners and PP goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest js2 Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 You were most likely one of his biggest fans when he scored those game winners and PP goals! But he probably wasn't a fan when Souray kept getting beat 1-on-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 You were most likely one of his biggest fans when he scored those game winners and PP goals! Well the same can be said of any player. Just because a guy can put the puck in the back of the net doesn't mean you have to be a fan. Dageneis had more goals per game than Souray comparing their top two seasons, I doubt any of us were complaining about Dags goals, but it doesn't mean we are a bunch of Dageneis fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Well the same can be said of any player. Just because a guy can put the puck in the back of the net doesn't mean you have to be a fan. Dageneis had more goals per game than Souray comparing their top two seasons, I doubt any of us were complaining about Dags goals, but it doesn't mean we are a bunch of Dageneis fans. The fact remains that he helped us win many games which we wouldn't have won had he not scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 The fact remains that he helped us win many games which we wouldn't have won had he not scored. Just like Dageneis a couple years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RedLightRacicot Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 The fact remains that he helped us win many games which we wouldn't have won had he not scored. That is one of the reasons it's hard to remain optimistic about 2007-2008. Did his being beat 1 on 1 over shadow his offensive contribtion or was it the other way around. What's going to happen to us if we play 5 on 5 like we did last year with out his pp help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 ....... What's going to happen to us if we play 5 on 5 like we did last year with out his pp help? We will probably miss the playoffs again but it will not come down to the last game of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 I don't understand why people find the need to harass the memory of Souray wearing a Canadiens jersey. When he was getting close to hitting the market and when he became available in the UFA pool there were tons of people here posting how we NEED to develop a contract with Souray and how much we needed him as part of the team. It's some (not all), but some of the same people who now are talking about how much he isn't needed here, how horrible is +/- was here and how we'll be much better off without him. I've said it before, but it almost seems like a petty jealousy thing. Most are so mad that he didn't re-sign here that they'd rather find false reasons to despise him and make fun of him, rather than admitting that he's going to be missed in Montreal. We all had the slight hunch that he wasn't going to resign in Montreal, so it shouldn't have come to too much of a shock when he denied the offer made to him. IMO he is more valuable than what we offered him. Who honestly knows why he didn't sign here? Was it the money? Did he want to move on? Did he want to be closer to home? Etc. etc. But even if it was the movie, who wouldn't leave their job to make a little extra cash? If he wanted to move on, who wouldn't want to leave the lies spread by the Montreal media behind him. I bet not too many Oilers fans know/care about his estranged, or not estranged wife, his kid and the divorce proceedures. If he wanted to play closer to home, who can blame him? Who doesn't want to be closer to their friends and family? Whatever reason HE had to leave, I'd really doubt that any of the Souray bashers here wouldn't leave for the same reasons too. This guy took a season that fell into shambles and made it something more. He had a career year, broke records and gave us some excitment from a team that lacked any sort of excitment. So why bash the guy? It's not like he's out there killing kittens, he's out there making a living. He's a decent human, he's respectable and why are we all getting so personal with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 I don't understand why people find the need to harass the memory of Souray wearing a Canadiens jersey. When he was getting close to hitting the market and when he became available in the UFA pool there were tons of people here posting how we NEED to develop a contract with Souray and how much we needed him as part of the team. It's some (not all), but some of the same people who now are talking about how much he isn't needed here, how horrible is +/- was here and how we'll be much better off without him. I've said it before, but it almost seems like a petty jealousy thing. Most are so mad that he didn't re-sign here that they'd rather find false reasons to despise him and make fun of him, rather than admitting that he's going to be missed in Montreal. We all had the slight hunch that he wasn't going to resign in Montreal, so it shouldn't have come to too much of a shock when he denied the offer made to him. IMO he is more valuable than what we offered him. Who honestly knows why he didn't sign here? Was it the money? Did he want to move on? Did he want to be closer to home? Etc. etc. But even if it was the movie, who wouldn't leave their job to make a little extra cash? If he wanted to move on, who wouldn't want to leave the lies spread by the Montreal media behind him. I bet not too many Oilers fans know/care about his estranged, or not estranged wife, his kid and the divorce proceedures. If he wanted to play closer to home, who can blame him? Who doesn't want to be closer to their friends and family? Whatever reason HE had to leave, I'd really doubt that any of the Souray bashers here wouldn't leave for the same reasons too. This guy took a season that fell into shambles and made it something more. He had a career year, broke records and gave us some excitment from a team that lacked any sort of excitment. So why bash the guy? It's not like he's out there killing kittens, he's out there making a living. He's a decent human, he's respectable and why are we all getting so personal with him? I have no problem with him leaving for more money or whatever his reasons were, I just wish he didn't have to continue to try and sound like the "good guy" here who was screwed over by Gainey. I've never bashed Souray, but saying that I honestly don't think we'll miss him that much isn't bashing him, it's just honestly how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 I have no problem with him leaving for more money or whatever his reasons were, I just wish he didn't have to continue to try and sound like the "good guy" here who was screwed over by Gainey. I've never bashed Souray, but saying that I honestly don't think we'll miss him that much isn't bashing him, it's just honestly how I feel. But how do we know for sure that he wasn't screwed over by Gainey on some level? We still don't know what was said between the two of them, or the agents during this time. I don't think he'll be the deciding factor on whether or not the team is successful this season, we'll miss his 28 goals, but not his -28. I think the thing we'll miss the most about Souray is his leadership, expierence, quality and all around human being he was. He had a lot of young fans and a lot of older fans. He was a big part of the Canadiens, so it's only natural the club will miss him to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 But how do we know for sure that he wasn't screwed over by Gainey on some level? We still don't know what was said between the two of them, or the agents during this time. Screwed over how? We basically know the deals he got, and Souray is complaining about how it wasn't enough and all that in interviews. That's all I meant by "screwed over". There is nothing else Gainey could have really done that we don't know about. I don't think he'll be the deciding factor on whether or not the team is successful this season, we'll miss his 28 goals, but not his -28. I think the thing we'll miss the most about Souray is his leadership, expierence, quality and all around human being he was. He had a lot of young fans and a lot of older fans. He was a big part of the Canadiens, so it's only natural the club will miss him to some extent. We'll miss him to some extent, but I don't think losing him will really hurt us in the standings, at least considering his replacement. For all the intangibles we lost, we lost the same thing with Rivet, and the team didn't really change a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 We'll miss him to some extent, but I don't think losing him will really hurt us in the standings, at least considering his replacement. For all the intangibles we lost, we lost the same thing with Rivet, and the team didn't really change a whole lot. I agree that it may not hurt us in the standings. But when we lost Rivet, he wasn't a key goal scorer - he never really netted us any game winning goals and he wasn't quite as tallented as Souray was. We did get a good replacement for Souray on the defensive aspect of it, but we still don't have anyone to compensate for the goals that we'll be missing without Souray. If we had Hammer and added a decent goal scorer, I'd be a lot less pesimisitic about this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 I agree that it may not hurt us in the standings. But when we lost Rivet, he wasn't a key goal scorer - he never really netted us any game winning goals and he wasn't quite as tallented as Souray was. Right, I was just talking about the intangibles, as for the goal scoring ... We did get a good replacement for Souray on the defensive aspect of it, but we still don't have anyone to compensate for the goals that we'll be missing without Souray. If we had Hammer and added a decent goal scorer, I'd be a lot less pesimisitic about this situation. I think you're underestimating the offensive side of Hamrlik's game. He may not get as many points, but he is superior to Souray in the rushing and passing department, which makes him better offensively even strength. Souray had a solid shot, but otherwise wasn't very good offensively either. As for the PP, that is what is still up in the air. Now in theory we lose a lot with all of Souray's goals, but I'm thinking that with our players and coaching, we will adjust and find other ways to score, and won't miss him a whole lot here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest js2 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Don't forget to factor in our younger players getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Don't forget to factor in our younger players getting better. That's very true. I wonder how long it's going to take our younger guys to become solid NHLers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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